Time for reflection as a dem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. Democrats aren’t too far left. The country is too fundamentally divided and I believe that I have nothing in common with the people who voted for Trump. They deserve what they get. Let’s stop pretending that this should be one country. I will never compromised on public health, civil rights, education, abortion, or the separation of church and state.

If you insist on all of it, you will get none of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:D’s went too far with the trans stuff. Trans women are most definitely not women. Only when they accept this will they start to win the public back. Oh, and the party elites picked the worst candidate possible. Goodbye, Kamala.

it's just a very visible symptom of the sort of irrationality they expect everyone to adopt without much question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing I’m reflecting on since I’m a centrist Democrat, is what the heck is going on in the heads of people who think this guy is an acceptable leader of our country?

The Trump thing has always been mystifying. But Democrats really need to think about how they connect with working and middle class voters, who are the vast majority of the electorate. Democrats have become the party of rich, urban elites and one POC group. That's not winning national elections. In addition to everyone else, Democrats are even losing Latinos right now. They are not connecting with everyday people.

As if rich, urban elite conservatives are not bankrolling the GOP and creating this whole narrative you are peddling.

Enough with these BS stories about elite dems. The elites rich conservatives of the GOP have spent decades convincing voters that being educated makes you the enemy, that real journalism based on facts = a liberal media, that immigrants are the root of all evil, etc. etc. And it's all nonsense so that they can maintain power and stay rich.

Dems just need to learn to work the media systems and lie as well as the GOP. They have tried to long to run on reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good overview.

Revenge of the regular old working class. who have been insulted, condescended to, called nazis and stupid.

https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/1854094491528917431

More like shooting themselves in the foot. Time will tell but they won't grasp the reality until it's too late...or until it's their children doing the suffering and they are dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: As a dem, I don't think there's any reflection to be done. Sorry not sorry. I mean, in 2016 white women saw a woman who looked like them, talked like them, grew up amongst them and had plans that amongst other things didn't seek to tell what to do with their bodies. And what happened? They chose the guy who bragged about sexual assault and who has a well documented lifetime of all kinds of nefarious activities. If pasty white Hilary Clinton got passed over for the married guy who has trysts with porn stars, what kind of effing reflection do you think dems need ?

I—a heterosexual male born in a west african country—voted for Kamala Harris, but unlike some many of you here on dcum, I always thought her victory would've been the surprise and not the other way around. Envy,jealousy, racism,racism, misogyny, sexism are not things pollsters go looking for and even if they do, voters aren't going to tell a pollster they're not voting for a woman called Kamala because the thought of:
1-a woman
2- a proud African-American/south Asian woman
3-all the above is enough to make their bigotry radar
Explode.

In the spirit of fairness, the monkey reflection or o should say the most urgent thing to do is to rid the party of those who think it's their house ( Pelosi and Obama need to go for good)

So you want to kick out one of the best former Democratic presidents and embrace the candidate who lost to a buffoon in a landslide election?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good overview.

Revenge of the regular old working class. who have been insulted, condescended to, called nazis and stupid.

https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/1854094491528917431

Democrats think abortion is #1 and people who aren’t democrats are nazis.

That’s what they insist is reality.

Dcum isn’t the place to talk about truth, it’s a place democrats come to attack their fellow Americans and pretend abortion is the focus of everyone’s life.

+100, from a Democratic woman who voted for Kamala.

My liberal, highly educated, upper middle class friends simply cannot fathom that they live in a bubble, that the Democratic Party looks down its nose at regular everyday people, and that abortion is not issue number one for the vast majority of people.

UMC people are the ones who have their lives planned down to the minute from age 15 to 35, plan an extravagant trip before trying to get pregnant, and ceremoniously go off birth-control/start tracking their cycles in the hopes of trying to conceive. An unplanned pregnancy would completely derail their life plan, so it makes complete sense that abortion rights are incredibly important to this demographic. I know because I am one of them.

When I talk to my working class family members, things couldn’t be more different. Babies are largely conceived as happy accidents, and the circumstances must be incredibly dire for a woman to abort. Genetic testing? Largely unheard of and all babies are a gift. They see their 20s as the decade they become parents anyway, not for climbing the corporate ladder and traveling the world. So abortion rights are important, but not the lightning rod that it seems to be for the upper middle class. Further, the need for an abortion seems more remote than the need to be able to take care of their families – that’s where inflation, immigration control, etc come in.

It’s saddens me how completely out of touch the Democratic Party is. I don’t doubt for a second that many, not all, of the people who voted for Trump are indeed bigots in one way or another. But it is completely self-serving for the Democratic Party not to at all look at itself and wonder why it is losing more than half the country.

+1

Spot on (I grew up working class and so did my DH)

Dems really need to better understand the life of working class people. Most of my UMC friends grew up UMC and do not have any close friends or family members who are working class- they live in a bubble.

There simply has to be some way for Dems to do better on this.

FWIW nearly all of our working class family and friends are pro choice (at least in the first trimester) even if they are personally more pro life- and that meshes with polling on the issue. It just isn’t their first priority when they head to the voting booth, and it never will be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trumps win is a resounding one, no question about the results and the majority of voters. Is it time for dems to have a moment of reflection and time to stop pushing so hard to the left??

It's never an issue of going "too far left," it's always an issue of failing to strike a balance and losing your sense of perspective. Unfortunately it's far too easy to let yourself do that if you get seduced into a "you're either with us or against us" mindset.

[Anonymous]

Dems fell victim to:

- Mistaking their failings as strengths, and doubling down on them.

- Mistaking their allies as enemies, and going out of their way to alienate them.

- Mistaking tedium for intelligence, and prematurely celebrating getting their opponents to shut up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good overview.

Revenge of the regular old working class. who have been insulted, condescended to, called nazis and stupid.

https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/1854094491528917431

Democrats think abortion is #1 and people who aren’t democrats are nazis.

That’s what they insist is reality.

Dcum isn’t the place to talk about truth, it’s a place democrats come to attack their fellow Americans and pretend abortion is the focus of everyone’s life.

+100, from a Democratic woman who voted for Kamala.

My liberal, highly educated, upper middle class friends simply cannot fathom that they live in a bubble, that the Democratic Party looks down its nose at regular everyday people, and that abortion is not issue number one for the vast majority of people.

UMC people are the ones who have their lives planned down to the minute from age 15 to 35, plan an extravagant trip before trying to get pregnant, and ceremoniously go off birth-control/start tracking their cycles in the hopes of trying to conceive. An unplanned pregnancy would completely derail their life plan, so it makes complete sense that abortion rights are incredibly important to this demographic. I know because I am one of them.

When I talk to my working class family members, things couldn’t be more different. Babies are largely conceived as happy accidents, and the circumstances must be incredibly dire for a woman to abort. Genetic testing? Largely unheard of and all babies are a gift. They see their 20s as the decade they become parents anyway, not for climbing the corporate ladder and traveling the world. So abortion rights are important, but not the lightning rod that it seems to be for the upper middle class. Further, the need for an abortion seems more remote than the need to be able to take care of their families – that’s where inflation, immigration control, etc come in.

It’s saddens me how completely out of touch the Democratic Party is. I don’t doubt for a second that many, not all, of the people who voted for Trump are indeed bigots in one way or another. But it is completely self-serving for the Democratic Party not to at all look at itself and wonder why it is losing more than half the country.

+1

Spot on (I grew up working class and so did my DH)

Dems really need to better understand the life of working class people. Most of my UMC friends grew up UMC and do not have any close friends or family members who are working class- they live in a bubble.

There simply has to be some way for Dems to do better on this.

FWIW nearly all of our working class family and friends are pro choice (at least in the first trimester) even if they are personally more pro life- and that meshes with polling on the issue. It just isn’t their first priority when they head to the voting booth, and it never will be.

I’m an upper middle class moderate Democrat. While I grew up well off, both sets of my grandparents did not. One set lived through the Great Depression, worked hard and lived incredibly modestly throughout their lives. The others were Holocaust surviving immigrants who lost most of their families in the vast chambers at aushcwitz. Many of the values I hold dear are from my hardworking grandparents who had very few advantages in life. We vote for policies that help the middle class. I vote against my own tax interests. Most importantly, since 2016, I have voted for democracy over corruption.

Conversely, I think there is a lot of white privilege within the Trump vote. Beyond the racists, I simply dont get what people see in Trump and whatever it is, it’s inexcusable for all of his disqualifying actions and character traits. He was unfit in 2016 and far worse than I could have imagined since.

[Anonymous]

No. Democrats aren’t too far left. The country is too fundamentally divided and I believe that I have nothing in common with the people who voted for Trump. They deserve what they get. Let’s stop pretending that this should be one country. I will never compromised on public health, civil rights, education, abortion, or the separation of church and state.

Stop pretending? I mean if you don't want to be part of the UNITED States of America then please leave.

Otherwise, what exactly do you propose doing - start a civil war? The people voted - a majority popular vote decided to back Republican right-leaning political policies and values. I'm sorry you don't agree with them. But aside from starting a civil war, the only only actual path forward is for you to focus on putting forth a viable Dem nominee in 2028. This is what a democracy is.

But as someone who voted for Harris as an anti-Trumper (but still in favor of more Republican right-leaning political policies and values), if the Dems don't do some soul searching and put forth a more moderate candidate in 2028 I'll likely vote red as I'm sure Trump won't be a candidate.

[Anonymous]

The Democrats will never self-reflect.

[Anonymous]

I did my part. I voted for decency. The group project got an F not because of me but because the rest of my group was made of people who are too selfish, too bigoted and/or too stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No. Democrats aren’t too far left. The country is too fundamentally divided and I believe that I have nothing in common with the people who voted for Trump. They deserve what they get. Let’s stop pretending that this should be one country. I will never compromised on public health, civil rights, education, abortion, or the separation of church and state.

Stop pretending? I mean if you don't want to be part of the UNITED States of America then please leave.

Otherwise, what exactly do you propose doing - start a civil war? The people voted - a majority popular vote decided to back Republican right-leaning political policies and values. I'm sorry you don't agree with them. But aside from starting a civil war, the only only actual path forward is for you to focus on putting forth a viable Dem nominee in 2028. This is what a democracy is.

But as someone who voted for Harris as an anti-Trumper (but still in favor of more Republican right-leaning political policies and values), if the Dems don't do some soul searching and put forth a more moderate candidate in 2028 I'll likely vote red as I'm sure Trump won't be a candidate.

The Demoncrats have only out moderates up for president. Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Hilary, Biden, and Harris have all been moderates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s the trans stuff that turns off older Dem voters.

Agreed. That and the “woke” stuff. My 70-year-old aunt is an extreme liberal and even she said that the Dems need to stop with this stuff if they want to win.

I’m 45 and as liberal as they come but 1) Hamas is a terrorist organization and 2) men aren’t women. (Trans people shouldn’t be persecuted, before someone jumps on me.)

Trump is a straw at which his voters grasp. Unfortunately he’s a fake and an idiot and will sell American intelligence for money.

So yeah. Depressing day.

Hamas is a terrorist organization. Every major leader of Hamas has been killed (Sinwar, Haniyeh, Deif, many others). Yet every single day there are 50+ Palestinians killed in Gaza.

Palestinians do not equal Hamas.

Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed in Northern Gaza. That is a fact. It is shameful and a war crime.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only thing I’m reflecting on since I’m a centrist Democrat, is what the heck is going on in the heads of people who think this guy is an acceptable leader of our country?

The only thing I got from my coworkers today is that he'll make eggs cheaper..