Why are ivies and other elite NE schools out, southern schools in?

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Anonymous wrote:In my industry, leaders are pivoting away from hiring from Ivys and prioritizing recruiting top students at places like VA Tech and GA Tech.

That's probably because a lot of ivies don't have great engineering (Cornell is pretty good). Georgia tech has better engineering than most ivies, it's been that way as a pretty long time

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Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

The "Ivies and other elite NE schools" are still outstanding. However, 1) there's less of a gap now between the quality of education you receive at elite schools than at regular schools, and 2) there's a body of research suggesting students with the same stats have similar outcomes, whether they go to Harvard or a regional university. That has generally taken a little of the gloss off of elite schools. Those elite schools in the NE still hold a great deal of allure for many. However, the "rat race" feel of jumping through hoops from the age of five to get in turns off a lot of people. Southern schools have a more relaxed feel. However, that may soon be a moot point with southern schools becoming more competitive.

Once more, someone is referencing Dale & Kruegger...which is now over 20 years old. However, it specifically tracked kids that were actually ADMITTED to Yale, but decided to attend Penn State (the actual example). I wouldn't call Penn State a regional school.

So...it's a little different to follow kids admitted to Harvard, but opt for another top 100 school and how they perform in life. There are plenty of high stats kids accepted to Penn State that probably would not be admitted to Yale...so even among the Penn State kids that kid was exceptional.

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Anonymous wrote:What is an example of a non-ivy elite NE school that isn't tiny?

MIT?

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people want to have fun, enjoy great weather and guess what? they are very successful after college and much more well rounded.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Do you pinky promise?
Please don’t just say this. Really REALLY commit to
Keeping your ideaology OUT of my conservative state please???
I know the economy and our policies make our state look super appealing for jobs and buying a house and all that. But then y’all come flooding in and bring your crazy politics with you.
It’s empty promises and we’re ready for you to deliver already. Stay where you’re at in your liberal lefty heaven.

Trust me, I’m not touching your anti woman, anti-lgbtq, etc states at this point. My husband’s family is in TX and I am beyond glad that our plan to move there did NOT work out.

I am perfectly happy in my purple state, but am also happy to cross the Potomac back to my birth state OR go further north to where my dad’s family started which happens to be the state my child chose for school.

And we are keeping options open in worst case scenario if we need to get my teen somewhere safe within the next year. Getting her passport in order. I’ll figure out the rest of the family later.

Getting a passport is generally a good idea but if the reason you're doing it is because of abortions, then you're nutz

The coming repressive laws of a crazy authoritarian government, including the loss of reproductive freedoms (they aren’t stopping at abortion, morons), is my reasoning.

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What’s UGA?

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Anonymous wrote:Kids with perfect scores and grades and impressive ECs at our suburban high school still apply to ivies in droves, but almost none get in. Same for Georgetown, Vanderbilt and Duke. Many end up at big state schools instead.

Yep

The Ivies have largely turned their admissions departments over to minorities who roll their eyes at top kids in American suburbs but can’t wait to admit kids from Ghana or Pakistan to further their diversity agenda.

So when kids see their well qualified peers turned away they lose interest in these schools and look elsewhere.

I don't know how to tell you this but those kids from pakistan are both smarter and harder working than your kid.
Some local ethiopian kid in fairfax just developed a skin cancer treatment and he's a high school sophomore.

Their "well qualified" peers aren't well qualified just because they are better qualified than your kid.

Not necessarily. A lot of these admits (foreign and 1st-2nd generation) are the ones who turn into statistics when they get to the Ivy and realize they were diversity admits who can’t keep up with the workload.

OP is right that the Ivies appeal to a different demographic now than the children of UMC families whose parents frequent forums like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:people want to have fun, enjoy great weather and guess what? they are very successful after college and much more well rounded.

+1.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s UGA?

University of Georgia

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Anonymous wrote:What is an example of a non-ivy elite NE school that isn't tiny?

Cut it off at wherever you feel "elite" ends:

MIT
Stanford
U Chicago
Johns Hopkins
Duke
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
Rice
WashU
Notre Dame
UCLA
UC Berkeley
Georgetown
Emory
CMU
Michigan
UVA
USC
NYU
UNC
Wake Forest
Tufts
Boston College
U Rochester
...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:people want to have fun, enjoy great weather and guess what? they are very successful after college and much more well rounded.

Indeed, many ivy grads are awkward AF.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids with perfect scores and grades and impressive ECs at our suburban high school still apply to ivies in droves, but almost none get in. Same for Georgetown, Vanderbilt and Duke. Many end up at big state schools instead.

Yep

The Ivies have largely turned their admissions departments over to minorities who roll their eyes at top kids in American suburbs but can’t wait to admit kids from Ghana or Pakistan to further their diversity agenda.

So when kids see their well qualified peers turned away they lose interest in these schools and look elsewhere.

I don't know how to tell you this but those kids from pakistan are both smarter and harder working than your kid.
Some local ethiopian kid in fairfax just developed a skin cancer treatment and he's a high school sophomore.

Their "well qualified" peers aren't well qualified just because they are better qualified than your kid.

Not necessarily. A lot of these admits (foreign and 1st-2nd generation) are the ones who turn into statistics when they get to the Ivy and realize they were diversity admits who can’t keep up with the workload.

OP is right that the Ivies appeal to a different demographic now than the children of UMC families whose parents frequent forums like this.

Have you seen the instagrams of NCS and Sidwell and other privates, as well as the UMC public schools, and who is going to an Ivy? Sorry...it's exactly the demographic of DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is an example of a non-ivy elite NE school that isn't tiny?

Cut it off at wherever you feel "elite" ends:

MIT
Stanford
U Chicago
Johns Hopkins
Duke
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
Rice
WashU
Notre Dame
UCLA
UC Berkeley
Georgetown
Emory
CMU
Michigan
UVA
USC
NYU
UNC
Wake Forest
Tufts
Boston College
U Rochester
...

CMU and above

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The Ivies definitely aren't "out" but they are more difficult than ever to get into, which has made many families just give up. Plus, a lot of people don't like the internal politics of those institutionally.

They've gone from being standard liberal to borderline socialist/leftist.

More and more, I'm witnessing kids aim for big, southern public schools that give merit aid like Alabama, UGA, Ole Miss, LSU, etc. These schools are fun, exciting, have solid academics, and don't have the crazy politics of the northeast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What is an example of a non-ivy elite NE school that isn't tiny?

Cut it off at wherever you feel "elite" ends:

MIT
Stanford
U Chicago
Johns Hopkins
Duke
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
Rice
WashU
Notre Dame
UCLA
UC Berkeley
Georgetown
Emory
CMU
Michigan
UVA
USC
NYU
UNC
Wake Forest
Tufts
Boston College
U Rochester
...

CMU and above

Very few kids apply from our HS to the schools above CMU and no more than 1 get accepted. Why bother?