Why are ivies and other elite NE schools out, southern schools in?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

This is your answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids with perfect scores and grades and impressive ECs at our suburban high school still apply to ivies in droves, but almost none get in. Same for Georgetown, Vanderbilt and Duke. Many end up at big state schools instead.

Yep

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Another possibility for southern schools being enticing is the population increases in those areas. People are moving to more business-friendly states. Companies are relocating. The name-recognition of many of the wonderful but smaller LACs in the Northeast are kind of meaningless south of the border. You’ll do just as well by hiring managers coming from regional and state schools geographically aligned with those cities and areas.

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My kid does not enjoy the cold weather, so very few schools even above Virginia were a consideration. My kid also goes to a very large high school and doesn’t want to go to a liberal arts college that is around the same size. Next, my kid does not want to be a four hour flight away from home. When you start putting all of those things together, you end up with schools in the south. Maybe they will apply to one IV just for the heck of it because they might be able to get in, but most of them are in climates aren’t their cup of tea.

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IV. Ha! Thanks autocorrect

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids with perfect scores and grades and impressive ECs at our suburban high school still apply to ivies in droves, but almost none get in. Same for Georgetown, Vanderbilt and Duke. Many end up at big state schools instead.

Yep

The Ivies have largely turned their admissions departments over to minorities who roll their eyes at top kids in American suburbs but can’t wait to admit kids from Ghana or Pakistan to further their diversity agenda.

So when kids see their well qualified peers turned away they lose interest in these schools and look elsewhere.

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In my industry, leaders are pivoting away from hiring from Ivys and prioritizing recruiting top students at places like VA Tech and GA Tech.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

The "Ivies and other elite NE schools" are still outstanding. However, 1) there's less of a gap now between the quality of education you receive at elite schools than at regular schools, and 2) there's a body of research suggesting students with the same stats have similar outcomes, whether they go to Harvard or a regional university. That has generally taken a little of the gloss off of elite schools. Those elite schools in the NE still hold a great deal of allure for many. However, the "rat race" feel of jumping through hoops from the age of five to get in turns off a lot of people. Southern schools have a more relaxed feel. However, that may soon be a moot point with southern schools becoming more competitive.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

The "Ivies and other elite NE schools" are still outstanding. However, 1) there's less of a gap now between the quality of education you receive at elite schools than at regular schools, and 2) there's a body of research suggesting students with the same stats have similar outcomes, whether they go to Harvard or a regional university. That has generally taken a little of the gloss off of elite schools. Those elite schools in the NE still hold a great deal of allure for many. However, the "rat race" feel of jumping through hoops from the age of five to get in turns off a lot of people. Southern schools have a more relaxed feel. However, that may soon be a moot point with southern schools becoming more competitive.

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Mine is struggling over whether to apply to Brown. There is a chance DC could get in. But, they would be applying b/c they feel like they did the work, took the APs & have an app curated for one of those schools. But December - March doesn't look very good for weather. Duke would be a good alternative, but they never let anyone in from our HS. It's all red checks.

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What is an example of a non-ivy elite NE school that isn't tiny?

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at O-week at Rice and I met several kids that turned down non-HYP Ivies for Rice.

I should correct myself, if theya re full pay, they will take ivy over rice.
Rice is particularly generous with financial aid for good students in my experience.
I know some exceptional students that are going to rice over places like Penn because of money.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Do you pinky promise?
Please don’t just say this. Really REALLY commit to
Keeping your ideaology OUT of my conservative state please???
I know the economy and our policies make our state look super appealing for jobs and buying a house and all that. But then y’all come flooding in and bring your crazy politics with you.
It’s empty promises and we’re ready for you to deliver already. Stay where you’re at in your liberal lefty heaven.

Trust me, I’m not touching your anti woman, anti-lgbtq, etc states at this point. My husband’s family is in TX and I am beyond glad that our plan to move there did NOT work out.

I am perfectly happy in my purple state, but am also happy to cross the Potomac back to my birth state OR go further north to where my dad’s family started which happens to be the state my child chose for school.

And we are keeping options open in worst case scenario if we need to get my teen somewhere safe within the next year. Getting her passport in order. I’ll figure out the rest of the family later.

Getting a passport is generally a good idea but if the reason you're doing it is because of abortions, then you're nutz

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids with perfect scores and grades and impressive ECs at our suburban high school still apply to ivies in droves, but almost none get in. Same for Georgetown, Vanderbilt and Duke. Many end up at big state schools instead.

Yep

The Ivies have largely turned their admissions departments over to minorities who roll their eyes at top kids in American suburbs but can’t wait to admit kids from Ghana or Pakistan to further their diversity agenda.

So when kids see their well qualified peers turned away they lose interest in these schools and look elsewhere.

I don't know how to tell you this but those kids from pakistan are both smarter and harder working than your kid.
Some local ethiopian kid in fairfax just developed a skin cancer treatment and he's a high school sophomore.

Their "well qualified" peers aren't well qualified just because they are better qualified than your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:What is an example of a non-ivy elite NE school that isn't tiny?

BC, Wesleyan