Why are ivies and other elite NE schools out, southern schools in?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Do you pinky promise?
Please don’t just say this. Really REALLY commit to
Keeping your ideaology OUT of my conservative state please???
I know the economy and our policies make our state look super appealing for jobs and buying a house and all that. But then y’all come flooding in and bring your crazy politics with you.
It’s empty promises and we’re ready for you to deliver already. Stay where you’re at in your liberal lefty heaven.

Trust me, I’m not touching your anti woman, anti-lgbtq, etc states at this point. My husband’s family is in TX and I am beyond glad that our plan to move there did NOT work out.

I am perfectly happy in my purple state, but am also happy to cross the Potomac back to my birth state OR go further north to where my dad’s family started which happens to be the state my child chose for school.

And we are keeping options open in worst case scenario if we need to get my teen somewhere safe within the next year. Getting her passport in order. I’ll figure out the rest of the family later.

Getting a passport is generally a good idea but if the reason you're doing it is because of abortions, then you're nutz

The coming repressive laws of a crazy authoritarian government, including the loss of reproductive freedoms (they aren’t stopping at abortion, morons), is my reasoning.

You can get birth control for free at most county health departments in the south. We are not third world.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids with perfect scores and grades and impressive ECs at our suburban high school still apply to ivies in droves, but almost none get in. Same for Georgetown, Vanderbilt and Duke. Many end up at big state schools instead.

Yep

The Ivies have largely turned their admissions departments over to minorities who roll their eyes at top kids in American suburbs but can’t wait to admit kids from Ghana or Pakistan to further their diversity agenda.

So when kids see their well qualified peers turned away they lose interest in these schools and look elsewhere.

I don't know how to tell you this but those kids from pakistan are both smarter and harder working than your kid.
Some local ethiopian kid in fairfax just developed a skin cancer treatment and he's a high school sophomore.

Their "well qualified" peers aren't well qualified just because they are better qualified than your kid.

Not necessarily. A lot of these admits (foreign and 1st-2nd generation) are the ones who turn into statistics when they get to the Ivy and realize they were diversity admits who can’t keep up with the workload.

OP is right that the Ivies appeal to a different demographic now than the children of UMC families whose parents frequent forums like this.

Maybe the Ethiopia kid and should study in Ethiopia if our educational system is poor.

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Anonymous wrote:people want to have fun, enjoy great weather and guess what? they are very successful after college and much more well rounded.

Indeed, many ivy grads are awkward AF.

And Harvard grads are leaders in being awkward.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a few factors…
- NYC and Wall Street had it’s hey day during SaTC/popular media and the region is less desirable as whole
- Tech is so spread out in many different regions around and there has been a large shift from finance to tech/engineering in the last 20 years
- Covid causes a mass exodus from some of the major, big cities in the NE
- A lot of the big NE cities are not quite as nice to live, with increasing homeless issues and expensive rents [/quote

I didn’t read all of this thread but agree that it reflects a trend of the NE being less popular to live there.

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Anonymous wrote:people want to have fun, enjoy great weather and guess what? they are very successful after college and much more well rounded.

Indeed, many ivy grads are awkward AF.

And Harvard grads are leaders in being awkward.

Harvard grads excel at tone-deafness. They were all raised in protective bubbles. They grow up in echo-chambers.

They are anything but worldly.

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Anonymous wrote:My son went south.

I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

I'm pretty confident Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice are very much pulling smart kids away from the Ivies today.

Yeah, sure but not Alabama and U Ga.

Bama, GA, etc. are strategically recruiting top students and offering free rides. If they tour the campus, they are hooked.

How many white kids get a free ride at an Ivy?

100% of them that are admitted and whose family income levels warrant it. Same as any other race.

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Anonymous wrote:My son went south.

I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

I'm pretty confident Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice are very much pulling smart kids away from the Ivies today.

Yeah, sure but not Alabama and U Ga.

Bama, GA, etc. are strategically recruiting top students and offering free rides. If they tour the campus, they are hooked.

How many white kids get a free ride at an Ivy?

100% of them that are admitted and whose family income levels warrant it. Same as any other race.

This is 100% wrong. Many reasons to choose Alabama, Florida and other SEC schools over Ivy’s and other NE “elite”. They’ve been mentioned here — opportunities, happiness, don’t have to deal with anti-semitism/protests, woke nonsense, among many others. Money can play into the decision (the scholarships at these schools are the best deal around, when the value of college is sincerely questioned), but in many cases $ doesn’t matter.

You are saying PP's 100% factual true statement is 100% wrong.

The question was how many white kids get a free ride at an Ivy...the 100% true answer is that 100% of those kids whose family income falls at or below a certain level get a free ride at an Ivy.

Perhaps the question is, how many UMC white kids get a free ride at an Ivy vs. Alabama, to which the answer is none.

Bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:My son went south.

I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

I'm pretty confident Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice are very much pulling smart kids away from the Ivies today.

Yeah, sure but not Alabama and U Ga.

Bama, GA, etc. are strategically recruiting top students and offering free rides. If they tour the campus, they are hooked.

How many white kids get a free ride at an Ivy?

100% of them that are admitted and whose family income levels warrant it. Same as any other race.

This is 100% wrong. Many reasons to choose Alabama, Florida and other SEC schools over Ivy’s and other NE “elite”. They’ve been mentioned here — opportunities, happiness, don’t have to deal with anti-semitism/protests, woke nonsense, among many others. Money can play into the decision (the scholarships at these schools are the best deal around, when the value of college is sincerely questioned), but in many cases $ doesn’t matter.

You are saying PP's 100% factual true statement is 100% wrong.

The question was how many white kids get a free ride at an Ivy...the 100% true answer is that 100% of those kids whose family income falls at or below a certain level get a free ride at an Ivy.

Perhaps the question is, how many UMC white kids get a free ride at an Ivy vs. Alabama, to which the answer is none.

Bullshit.

What are you talking about? You clearly don't understand Need Blind admissions and schools that will meet 100% of financial need with no loans.

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Anonymous wrote:Not again.

+1000 Is this just the same OP regurgitating this thread by presenting a different scenario?

DP. I didn't start this thread, but I was the one who started a thread a while back about the Town & Country article.

The defensive replies here are pretty telling.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Do you pinky promise?
Please don’t just say this. Really REALLY commit to
Keeping your ideaology OUT of my conservative state please???
I know the economy and our policies make our state look super appealing for jobs and buying a house and all that. But then y’all come flooding in and bring your crazy politics with you.
It’s empty promises and we’re ready for you to deliver already. Stay where you’re at in your liberal lefty heaven.

Trust me, I’m not touching your anti woman, anti-lgbtq, etc states at this point. My husband’s family is in TX and I am beyond glad that our plan to move there did NOT work out.

I am perfectly happy in my purple state, but am also happy to cross the Potomac back to my birth state OR go further north to where my dad’s family started which happens to be the state my child chose for school.

And we are keeping options open in worst case scenario if we need to get my teen somewhere safe within the next year. Getting her passport in order. I’ll figure out the rest of the family later.

Getting a passport is generally a good idea but if the reason you're doing it is because of abortions, then you're nutz

It's going to be a shock when pp sees the abortion policies in most other countries.

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I think more kids that age don't want to live in the Northeast/MidAtlantic during or after college.

My DC, who grew up in DC and now goes to college in a big city in the South, spent the summer in DC on an internship. He loved the work, but concluded that he doesn't want to live in DC anymore. He said it really made him appreciate the city he lives in now.

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Anonymous wrote:My son went south.

I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

I'm pretty confident Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice are very much pulling smart kids away from the Ivies today.

Yeah, sure but not Alabama and U Ga.

Bama, GA, etc. are strategically recruiting top students and offering free rides. If they tour the campus, they are hooked.

How many white kids get a free ride at an Ivy?

100% of them that are admitted and whose family income levels warrant it. Same as any other race.

This is 100% wrong. Many reasons to choose Alabama, Florida and other SEC schools over Ivy’s and other NE “elite”. They’ve been mentioned here — opportunities, happiness, don’t have to deal with anti-semitism/protests, woke nonsense, among many others. Money can play into the decision (the scholarships at these schools are the best deal around, when the value of college is sincerely questioned), but in many cases $ doesn’t matter.

You are saying PP's 100% factual true statement is 100% wrong.

The question was how many white kids get a free ride at an Ivy...the 100% true answer is that 100% of those kids whose family income falls at or below a certain level get a free ride at an Ivy.

Perhaps the question is, how many UMC white kids get a free ride at an Ivy vs. Alabama, to which the answer is none.

Bullshit.

What are you talking about? You clearly don't understand Need Blind admissions and schools that will meet 100% of financial need with no loans.

DP. Any kid that has strong enough grades and scores to be admitted to an Ivy would get a free ride at Bama (unless they're test optional and didn't submit scores).

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Anonymous wrote:My son went south.

I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

I'm pretty confident Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice are very much pulling smart kids away from the Ivies today.

Yeah, sure but not Alabama and U Ga.

Bama, GA, etc. are strategically recruiting top students and offering free rides. If they tour the campus, they are hooked.

How many white kids get a free ride at an Ivy?

100% of them that are admitted and whose family income levels warrant it. Same as any other race.

This is 100% wrong. Many reasons to choose Alabama, Florida and other SEC schools over Ivy’s and other NE “elite”. They’ve been mentioned here — opportunities, happiness, don’t have to deal with anti-semitism/protests, woke nonsense, among many others. Money can play into the decision (the scholarships at these schools are the best deal around, when the value of college is sincerely questioned), but in many cases $ doesn’t matter.

You are saying PP's 100% factual true statement is 100% wrong.

The question was how many white kids get a free ride at an Ivy...the 100% true answer is that 100% of those kids whose family income falls at or below a certain level get a free ride at an Ivy.

Perhaps the question is, how many UMC white kids get a free ride at an Ivy vs. Alabama, to which the answer is none.

Bullshit.

What are you talking about? You clearly don't understand Need Blind admissions and schools that will meet 100% of financial need with no loans.

DP. Any kid that has strong enough grades and scores to be admitted to an Ivy would get a free ride at Bama (unless they're test optional and didn't submit scores).

Well, Ivy league schools don't provide merit to anyone. But they are generally very good with grant-based aid. No one coming from a family making less than $120,000 a year pays a nickel to attend Princeton for instance - whether white, black, asian, or hispanic. Everyone is assumed to be an exceptional student. And the financial aid is there to make sure every family can afford attendance to Harvard or Princeton or Yale.

Merit at other schools should be regarded as discounts to attract desirable students that otherwise wouldn't attend. Alabama has been very generous in recent years, but I think the window for getting full rides at SEC schools is closing rapidly. The overall quality of their applicants has greatly improved over the past ten years or so. They don't need to offer the same discounts to attract top students.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s UGA?

lol

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Just found out two good friends from college - one in the Chicago area, the other in the Boston area - are sending their kids to Clemson and Ole Miss in a couple of weeks. Great, typical UMC overachiever and super outgoing students. According to their parents, it's the sunny weather, fun and Southern vibes via social media, and football.

My husband works in politics and he believes fmr Ohio governor and congressman John Kasich also sent his twin daughters to Clemson about a decade ago. So this trend has been burgeoning for a while.