Is MoCo taking advantage of Rockville's pool

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

You’re not answering the question, so you might to abandon the whole “covid kept my kid from being able to make it” argument. Troll away.

I went to the pool they had just renovated the mens locker rooms. I had reserved a lane. We were only allowed to have one swimmer in a lane. I decided that it wasn't feasible to take my daughter swimming. There were no open play areas for kiddos for example, especially since she had regressed from being able to do a freestyle. She could do freestyle, for maybe like 12 yards you know five-year-olds. We weren't allowed to share a lane. I decided to wait. In addition, we have grandparents who live nearby and help take care of the kids, they didn't think it was a good idea. The kids in school were required to wear masks at this point she was six we started going to the pool again...

So here is the timeline.

four years old covid no pool six plus months. Lane reservations no kid oriented amenities some number of months. I didn't bother checking. Kindergarten started life goes on other activities fill the gap... Summer roles around she is six. Get some pool time in go to tryouts. No good. I sign her up for lessons, which she hates at this point. BTW those lessons are crazy to get into you have to sit there and see who can click the fastest, we don't get into lessons exactly when we need them, oops strokers III is filled. I keep at it she's seven I figured out summer league( it's like word of mouth around here bless their souls.).

That brings us to the second set of tryouts. Coach bullying and what not.

So during covid my DC also lost all swim skills. Know what we did? Months of _outdoor_ swim with strict social distancing rules in compliance with county regulations, in a heated pool. Just because it was hard doesn't mean it wasn't available.

So, you know what I mean, when I say well it just wasn't very much fun. BTW do you know of any good winter pools this year with KSAC closing. We're looking at going down that road again. We swam through October in RSFC outdoor, but it didn't open until May. I am open to buying wetsuits as an option.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

I think I made mistake in my calculations missing a line in copying, it looks more like a million were sunk. As inspired by swim coaches every where, ooops sorry, but RMSC still owes us and isn't very good.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 2,401,601 1,618,171 1,425,705 2,339,300 2,068,399
22,906 519,733 998,673 195,663 679,235

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

You’re not answering the question, so you might to abandon the whole “covid kept my kid from being able to make it” argument. Troll away.

I went to the pool they had just renovated the mens locker rooms. I had reserved a lane. We were only allowed to have one swimmer in a lane. I decided that it wasn't feasible to take my daughter swimming. There were no open play areas for kiddos for example, especially since she had regressed from being able to do a freestyle. She could do freestyle, for maybe like 12 yards you know five-year-olds. We weren't allowed to share a lane. I decided to wait. In addition, we have grandparents who live nearby and help take care of the kids, they didn't think it was a good idea. The kids in school were required to wear masks at this point she was six we started going to the pool again...

So here is the timeline.

four years old covid no pool six plus months. Lane reservations no kid oriented amenities some number of months. I didn't bother checking. Kindergarten started life goes on other activities fill the gap... Summer roles around she is six. Get some pool time in go to tryouts. No good. I sign her up for lessons, which she hates at this point. BTW those lessons are crazy to get into you have to sit there and see who can click the fastest, we don't get into lessons exactly when we need them, oops strokers III is filled. I keep at it she's seven I figured out summer league( it's like word of mouth around here bless their souls.).

That brings us to the second set of tryouts. Coach bullying and what not.

Ummm this all actually just sounds like your kid wasn’t good enough to make it and doesn’t particularly love the sport, yet you had your heart set on it so you decided to pitch a fit. If you aren’t trolling I also suspect the coaching staff already has you pegged as a crazy person, and it’s not worth the trouble to take a mediocre swimmer whose parent will bring the crazy. They only put up with that for truly elite swimmers.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

You’re not answering the question, so you might to abandon the whole “covid kept my kid from being able to make it” argument. Troll away.

I went to the pool they had just renovated the mens locker rooms. I had reserved a lane. We were only allowed to have one swimmer in a lane. I decided that it wasn't feasible to take my daughter swimming. There were no open play areas for kiddos for example, especially since she had regressed from being able to do a freestyle. She could do freestyle, for maybe like 12 yards you know five-year-olds. We weren't allowed to share a lane. I decided to wait. In addition, we have grandparents who live nearby and help take care of the kids, they didn't think it was a good idea. The kids in school were required to wear masks at this point she was six we started going to the pool again...

So here is the timeline.

four years old covid no pool six plus months. Lane reservations no kid oriented amenities some number of months. I didn't bother checking. Kindergarten started life goes on other activities fill the gap... Summer roles around she is six. Get some pool time in go to tryouts. No good. I sign her up for lessons, which she hates at this point. BTW those lessons are crazy to get into you have to sit there and see who can click the fastest, we don't get into lessons exactly when we need them, oops strokers III is filled. I keep at it she's seven I figured out summer league( it's like word of mouth around here bless their souls.).

That brings us to the second set of tryouts. Coach bullying and what not.

Ummm this all actually just sounds like your kid wasn’t good enough to make it and doesn’t particularly love the sport, yet you had your heart set on it so you decided to pitch a fit. If you aren’t trolling I also suspect the coaching staff already has you pegged as a crazy person, and it’s not worth the trouble to take a mediocre swimmer whose parent will bring the crazy. They only put up with that for truly elite swimmers.

Those Covid Tax cheats didn't have to swim outdoors in the cold to try to learn how to swim. I'd like to see them out there in wet suits in December. See if they like it. They seem to think my kiddo should.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

I think I made mistake in my calculations missing a line in copying, it looks more like a million were sunk. As inspired by swim coaches every where, ooops sorry, but RMSC still owes us and isn't very good.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 2,401,601 1,618,171 1,425,705 2,339,300 2,068,399
22,906 519,733 998,673 195,663 679,235

This is the overall budget for the entire swim and fitness center. Show us specific numbers…how much revenue made from RMSC (fees from practices and meets) vs how much was spent on salaries for the program.

You have to understand there are many programs that don’t collect facilities fees. For example, if you take a class at the library, there isn’t a facility fee. If you take a lifeguarding class, they aren’t charging to use the meeting room or pool. This is not an uncommon practice with public programs and activities.

You’re going to need to let this go and realize now your child will never swim for RMSC, and frankly word gets around and the swim community is small. The coaches all know each other. There are likely a few that monitor this forum and have now read this thread. It sounds like you’re borderline trying to intimidate the coaches by going to the county council and mayor’s office because your daughter wasn’t offered a spot on the team. Parenting is going to be a long haul for you. Good luck and hopefully you’ve learned from your actions.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

You’re not answering the question, so you might to abandon the whole “covid kept my kid from being able to make it” argument. Troll away.

I went to the pool they had just renovated the mens locker rooms. I had reserved a lane. We were only allowed to have one swimmer in a lane. I decided that it wasn't feasible to take my daughter swimming. There were no open play areas for kiddos for example, especially since she had regressed from being able to do a freestyle. She could do freestyle, for maybe like 12 yards you know five-year-olds. We weren't allowed to share a lane. I decided to wait. In addition, we have grandparents who live nearby and help take care of the kids, they didn't think it was a good idea. The kids in school were required to wear masks at this point she was six we started going to the pool again...

So here is the timeline.

four years old covid no pool six plus months. Lane reservations no kid oriented amenities some number of months. I didn't bother checking. Kindergarten started life goes on other activities fill the gap... Summer roles around she is six. Get some pool time in go to tryouts. No good. I sign her up for lessons, which she hates at this point. BTW those lessons are crazy to get into you have to sit there and see who can click the fastest, we don't get into lessons exactly when we need them, oops strokers III is filled. I keep at it she's seven I figured out summer league( it's like word of mouth around here bless their souls.).

That brings us to the second set of tryouts. Coach bullying and what not.

Ummm this all actually just sounds like your kid wasn’t good enough to make it and doesn’t particularly love the sport, yet you had your heart set on it so you decided to pitch a fit. If you aren’t trolling I also suspect the coaching staff already has you pegged as a crazy person, and it’s not worth the trouble to take a mediocre swimmer whose parent will bring the crazy. They only put up with that for truly elite swimmers.

Those Covid Tax cheats didn't have to swim outdoors in the cold to try to learn how to swim. I'd like to see them out there in wet suits in December. See if they like it. They seem to think my kiddo should.

No one has had to swim outside since 2021. My kid was in MoCos stroke and turn program indoors in 2021.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

You’re not answering the question, so you might to abandon the whole “covid kept my kid from being able to make it” argument. Troll away.

I went to the pool they had just renovated the mens locker rooms. I had reserved a lane. We were only allowed to have one swimmer in a lane. I decided that it wasn't feasible to take my daughter swimming. There were no open play areas for kiddos for example, especially since she had regressed from being able to do a freestyle. She could do freestyle, for maybe like 12 yards you know five-year-olds. We weren't allowed to share a lane. I decided to wait. In addition, we have grandparents who live nearby and help take care of the kids, they didn't think it was a good idea. The kids in school were required to wear masks at this point she was six we started going to the pool again...

So here is the timeline.

four years old covid no pool six plus months. Lane reservations no kid oriented amenities some number of months. I didn't bother checking. Kindergarten started life goes on other activities fill the gap... Summer roles around she is six. Get some pool time in go to tryouts. No good. I sign her up for lessons, which she hates at this point. BTW those lessons are crazy to get into you have to sit there and see who can click the fastest, we don't get into lessons exactly when we need them, oops strokers III is filled. I keep at it she's seven I figured out summer league( it's like word of mouth around here bless their souls.).

That brings us to the second set of tryouts. Coach bullying and what not.

Ummm this all actually just sounds like your kid wasn’t good enough to make it and doesn’t particularly love the sport, yet you had your heart set on it so you decided to pitch a fit. If you aren’t trolling I also suspect the coaching staff already has you pegged as a crazy person, and it’s not worth the trouble to take a mediocre swimmer whose parent will bring the crazy. They only put up with that for truly elite swimmers.

+1

And honestly the parents of the truly elite swimmers are usually the tamest.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

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Covid cheaters lol
Pool access in 2020 has no bearing on the performance of a now eight year old.
Covid aside, No 4 year old was training at an intensity that impacted their future success. (Although I’m sure someone will chime in that NCAP GP has toddlers doing heavy yardage 5 days a week and forcing them to OTC. )
I’m sorry you’re frustrated, but as others have said, I’d try to focus on how she can improve if she wants to, rather than searching for reasons why she’s been shortchanged /wronged.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

You’re not answering the question, so you might to abandon the whole “covid kept my kid from being able to make it” argument. Troll away.

I went to the pool they had just renovated the mens locker rooms. I had reserved a lane. We were only allowed to have one swimmer in a lane. I decided that it wasn't feasible to take my daughter swimming. There were no open play areas for kiddos for example, especially since she had regressed from being able to do a freestyle. She could do freestyle, for maybe like 12 yards you know five-year-olds. We weren't allowed to share a lane. I decided to wait. In addition, we have grandparents who live nearby and help take care of the kids, they didn't think it was a good idea. The kids in school were required to wear masks at this point she was six we started going to the pool again...

So here is the timeline.

four years old covid no pool six plus months. Lane reservations no kid oriented amenities some number of months. I didn't bother checking. Kindergarten started life goes on other activities fill the gap... Summer roles around she is six. Get some pool time in go to tryouts. No good. I sign her up for lessons, which she hates at this point. BTW those lessons are crazy to get into you have to sit there and see who can click the fastest, we don't get into lessons exactly when we need them, oops strokers III is filled. I keep at it she's seven I figured out summer league( it's like word of mouth around here bless their souls.).

That brings us to the second set of tryouts. Coach bullying and what not.

So during covid my DC also lost all swim skills. Know what we did? Months of _outdoor_ swim with strict social distancing rules in compliance with county regulations, in a heated pool. Just because it was hard doesn't mean it wasn't available.

So, you know what I mean, when I say well it just wasn't very much fun. BTW do you know of any good winter pools this year with KSAC closing. We're looking at going down that road again. We swam through October in RSFC outdoor, but it didn't open until May. I am open to buying wetsuits as an option.

Look, swimming is not for your family. No, its not fun. There is Gaithersburg, Olney, MLK, Silver Spring, and Rockville for public pools. There are also private options. For kids who enjoy swimming, they are happy to do it year round. They throw on a parka and shower at home. They get used to it. You don't seem to get what team swiming is or the committment. Our kids swim 4-7 days a week, some kids swim 2 times a day.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

We were very covid careful for several years and only swam a limited amount for 2 of the years due to parent health issues. We did other altenratives, like city of rockville preteam as they were outside. You had options through City of Rockville and I know they were available as we did them.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.