are "racist text message acceptable now?

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Anonymous wrote:You think it’s ok for white kids to make black jokes if they are the minority in a majority-black school? You think that counts as punching up? Ok you try that out and see what happens.

That was your takeaway?

Adults have a very hard time with these conversations, as shown. Some kids at least are over it.

Not all kids live in this post racial world where white people are the minority. So it’s not a generational thing. My kids don’t think it’s funny or ok to make fun of people based on race. They are racial minorities in a predominately white area.

If the Asian, black and Latino kids at Blair are really enjoying being the butt of race jokes, more power to them. But the fact that their parents are so eager to make these jokes themselves is disturbing.

This is the teen forum. We’re talking about kids and their reality.

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Anonymous wrote:You think it’s ok for white kids to make black jokes if they are the minority in a majority-black school? You think that counts as punching up? Ok you try that out and see what happens.

That was your takeaway?

Adults have a very hard time with these conversations, as shown. Some kids at least are over it.

Not all kids live in this post racial world where white people are the minority. So it’s not a generational thing. My kids don’t think it’s funny or ok to make fun of people based on race. They are racial minorities in a predominately white area.

If the Asian, black and Latino kids at Blair are really enjoying being the butt of race jokes, more power to them. But the fact that their parents are so eager to make these jokes themselves is disturbing.

What parent ever said that they were making jokes about their kid's minority friends?

You're just making things up at this point

Poor wording on my part. Not eager to make fun of kids friends. Eager to make race based jokes generally. See Dave Chappelle admirer above.

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Anonymous wrote:Just make sure your kid knows that it’s not ok to make dog-eating jokes to Asians other than his “best friend.” A lot of us don’t think that’s funny. And the fact that he has an Asian best friend doesn’t give him a pass.

Dog eating is not funny. Bad drivers jokes instead?

Not funny TO YOU.

Very funny to this friend group.

And if you're comfortable with bad driving jokes but not with dog-eating jokes, then you're really not that much different than these boys; its only a question of scale

And scale is important. Tropes that trade on the weirdness and foreignness of Asians are more insidious than jokes about driving skills. If all the kids like these jokes, ok fine. But the fact that you as the adult seem to revel in their freedom to make race-based jokes is very curious. Do you wish you could make racist jokes with impunity?

Asians are like 60% of the world population. Why are they acting so put upon? I thought punching up was always ok?

Are you really this dense? Asians are like 2 percent of Americans. We are talking about American kids. The nation has a history of excluding Asians for being weirdo foreigners. White people making Asian jokes is not punching up. If you think so then you need a history lesson.

They are not 2% in every area. Or in schools. White kids are minority in schools.

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My kids are in Blair. It’s 77% minority. They are all ragging on each other.

But the PP was using world population as evidence that Asians shouldn’t be offended by dog-eating jokes. If you think white kids at Blair are so put upon that they feel the need to “punch up” at Asians, then I guess I will have to take your word for it, as I don’t know that community. I just know that I still feel like a minority and am offended by dog-eating jokes. And I don’t wish for a world where people always call me dog-eater and I just laugh because I’m not a minority. I wish for a world where people don’t take my race into account when making fun of me.

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You are not a victim stop trying to claim victim status.

You don’t know anything about me. I have been the victim of hate speech and race-based sexual assault. Not all Asians have the same experience. You would know that if your social circle were as diverse as you claim.

Are you a teen? This isn’t about you and your inferiority complex.

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So not only are pps racist AF, they are unkind to POC and use terms like "inferiority complex" when someone speaks about their experience with racism.

It is just too on the nose.

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Anonymous[b wrote:]I think todays kids are fighting back about the policing of language and calling everyone a racist. [/b]
What did they specifically say? Was it actually something racist or just a generalization about a specific race? There is a difference.

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For as “progressive” as Gen Z and younger seem to be… it’s mainly just extremely politically active assigned-females-at-birth who are making the most noise.

Like don’t get me wrong—the interest in issues and willing to speak your mind for a more fair country is great!

But—the loudest voices are not the majority. And cis-boys either don’t care or are being pushed further and further to being non-politically-correct and having socially conservative views.

Women have struggled to civilize boys and men for centuries.

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If your kid is so stupid that they can't make up jokes that aren't tired old racist repeats, they are too stupid for a selective university.

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Anonymous wrote:So not only are pps racist AF, they are unkind to POC and use terms like "inferiority complex" when someone speaks about their experience with racism.

It is just too on the nose.

If you’re following this thread it was an AA kid who made the dog comment.

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Anonymous wrote:Just make sure your kid knows that it’s not ok to make dog-eating jokes to Asians other than his “best friend.” A lot of us don’t think that’s funny. And the fact that he has an Asian best friend doesn’t give him a pass.

Dog eating is not funny. Bad drivers jokes instead?

Not funny TO YOU.

Very funny to this friend group.

And if you're comfortable with bad driving jokes but not with dog-eating jokes, then you're really not that much different than these boys; its only a question of scale

And scale is important. Tropes that trade on the weirdness and foreignness of Asians are more insidious than jokes about driving skills. If all the kids like these jokes, ok fine. But the fact that you as the adult seem to revel in their freedom to make race-based jokes is very curious. Do you wish you could make racist jokes with impunity?

Asians are like 60% of the world population. Why are they acting so put upon? I thought punching up was always ok?

Are you really this dense? Asians are like 2 percent of Americans. We are talking about American kids. The nation has a history of excluding Asians for being weirdo foreigners. White people making Asian jokes is not punching up. If you think so then you need a history lesson.

They are not 2% in every area. Or in schools. White kids are minority in schools.

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My kids are in Blair. It’s 77% minority. They are all ragging on each other.

But the PP was using world population as evidence that Asians shouldn’t be offended by dog-eating jokes. If you think white kids at Blair are so put upon that they feel the need to “punch up” at Asians, then I guess I will have to take your word for it, as I don’t know that community. I just know that I still feel like a minority and am offended by dog-eating jokes. And I don’t wish for a world where people always call me dog-eater and I just laugh because I’m not a minority. I wish for a world where people don’t take my race into account when making fun of me.

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You are not a victim stop trying to claim victim status.

You don’t know anything about me. I have been the victim of hate speech and race-based sexual assault. Not all Asians have the same experience. You would know that if your social circle were as diverse as you claim.

Are you a teen? This isn’t about you and your inferiority complex.

Wow. If this is what post-racial utopia looks like, I definitely don't want it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just make sure your kid knows that it’s not ok to make dog-eating jokes to Asians other than his “best friend.” A lot of us don’t think that’s funny. And the fact that he has an Asian best friend doesn’t give him a pass.

Dog eating is not funny. Bad drivers jokes instead?

Not funny TO YOU.

Very funny to this friend group.

And if you're comfortable with bad driving jokes but not with dog-eating jokes, then you're really not that much different than these boys; its only a question of scale

And scale is important. Tropes that trade on the weirdness and foreignness of Asians are more insidious than jokes about driving skills. If all the kids like these jokes, ok fine. But the fact that you as the adult seem to revel in their freedom to make race-based jokes is very curious. Do you wish you could make racist jokes with impunity?

Asians are like 60% of the world population. Why are they acting so put upon? I thought punching up was always ok?

Are you really this dense? Asians are like 2 percent of Americans. We are talking about American kids. The nation has a history of excluding Asians for being weirdo foreigners. White people making Asian jokes is not punching up. If you think so then you need a history lesson.

They are not 2% in every area. Or in schools. White kids are minority in schools.

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My kids are in Blair. It’s 77% minority. They are all ragging on each other.

But the PP was using world population as evidence that Asians shouldn’t be offended by dog-eating jokes. If you think white kids at Blair are so put upon that they feel the need to “punch up” at Asians, then I guess I will have to take your word for it, as I don’t know that community. I just know that I still feel like a minority and am offended by dog-eating jokes. And I don’t wish for a world where people always call me dog-eater and I just laugh because I’m not a minority. I wish for a world where people don’t take my race into account when making fun of me.

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You are not a victim stop trying to claim victim status.

You don’t know anything about me. I have been the victim of hate speech and race-based sexual assault. Not all Asians have the same experience. You would know that if your social circle were as diverse as you claim.

Are you a teen? This isn’t about you and your inferiority complex.

Wow. If this is what post-racial utopia looks like, I definitely don't want it.

Don’t you guys idolize other countries? I’m sure Sweden will welcome you with open arms

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that so many people are worried about statements being recorded or possible college admissions blow back. How about just raising a decent human being who conducts themselves with integrity and treats people with respect - like most of our parents taught us?

They don't care that they are racists, they only care that people knowing they are racist will negatively affect their lives. Hence these parents think it's fine to say all this stuff, just don't post it on twitter or your college might see and rescind your admission. Keep that racism on the DL!

This is so stupid.

Most regular people disagree with your premise. Joking about race, even in a “offensive” way, doesn’t constitute “racism.” Deal with it.

At the same time, we’re also pragmatic and care about the welfare of our kids, so we don’t want them subjected to this Scarlet Letter BS (typically at the hands of some middle-aged white lady or a “DEI professional”); so yes, they should learn to keep certain comments private.

+1000 we joked all the time about race growing up in the 90s. Dave Chapelle was hysterical. My Filipino friend always got called Chinese by ignorant people so we called him our Chinese friend as a joke. My Jewish friend was one of the cheapest people I’ve ever met and we would all rag on him for it and he would make fun of himself. Everyone once in awhile someone would cross a line and get corrected. Racism used to be actually hating or looking down on another race as inferior. Making jokes about cultural differences and stereotypes is not even close to the same thing.

And yeah I would 100 percent get cancelled these days. Probably could never run for office.

I'll find jokes about Jews funnier when people stop shooting up synagogues.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is so stupid that they can't make up jokes that aren't tired old racist repeats, they are too stupid for a selective university.

You wish this were the case. It’s like when people say if you curse a lot you must be stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:So not only are pps racist AF, they are unkind to POC and use terms like "inferiority complex" when someone speaks about their experience with racism.

It is just too on the nose.

If you’re following this thread it was an AA kid who made the dog comment.

I'm talking about the pp who insulted someone who stated they are asian and have been the victim of race based crimes. This pp obviously thinks these jokes are NBD, and then also show how callous and racist they really are in their reply to this poster. But yet they don't think they are racist for telling racist jokes and making fun of a victim of race based crimes... Like, I can't get over the disconnect these people have. But yes. Racists gon racist, it's been literally proven in this thread multiple times.

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Anonymous wrote:Just make sure your kid knows that it’s not ok to make dog-eating jokes to Asians other than his “best friend.” A lot of us don’t think that’s funny. And the fact that he has an Asian best friend doesn’t give him a pass.

Dog eating is not funny. Bad drivers jokes instead?

Not funny TO YOU.

Very funny to this friend group.

And if you're comfortable with bad driving jokes but not with dog-eating jokes, then you're really not that much different than these boys; its only a question of scale

And scale is important. Tropes that trade on the weirdness and foreignness of Asians are more insidious than jokes about driving skills. If all the kids like these jokes, ok fine. But the fact that you as the adult seem to revel in their freedom to make race-based jokes is very curious. Do you wish you could make racist jokes with impunity?

Asians are like 60% of the world population. Why are they acting so put upon? I thought punching up was always ok?

Are you really this dense? Asians are like 2 percent of Americans. We are talking about American kids. The nation has a history of excluding Asians for being weirdo foreigners. White people making Asian jokes is not punching up. If you think so then you need a history lesson.

They are not 2% in every area. Or in schools. White kids are minority in schools.

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My kids are in Blair. It’s 77% minority. They are all ragging on each other.

But the PP was using world population as evidence that Asians shouldn’t be offended by dog-eating jokes. If you think white kids at Blair are so put upon that they feel the need to “punch up” at Asians, then I guess I will have to take your word for it, as I don’t know that community. I just know that I still feel like a minority and am offended by dog-eating jokes. And I don’t wish for a world where people always call me dog-eater and I just laugh because I’m not a minority. I wish for a world where people don’t take my race into account when making fun of me.

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You are not a victim stop trying to claim victim status.

You don’t know anything about me. I have been the victim of hate speech and race-based sexual assault. Not all Asians have the same experience. You would know that if your social circle were as diverse as you claim.

Are you a teen? This isn’t about you and your inferiority complex.

Wow. If this is what post-racial utopia looks like, I definitely don't want it.

Don’t you guys idolize other countries? I’m sure Sweden will welcome you with open arms

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is so stupid that they can't make up jokes that aren't tired old racist repeats, they are too stupid for a selective university.

You wish this were the case. It’s like when people say if you curse a lot you must be stupid.

You're right. Universities are happy to take stupid people's money.

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Anonymous wrote:Just make sure your kid knows that it’s not ok to make dog-eating jokes to Asians other than his “best friend.” A lot of us don’t think that’s funny. And the fact that he has an Asian best friend doesn’t give him a pass.

Dog eating is not funny. Bad drivers jokes instead?

Not funny TO YOU.

Very funny to this friend group.

And if you're comfortable with bad driving jokes but not with dog-eating jokes, then you're really not that much different than these boys; its only a question of scale

And scale is important. Tropes that trade on the weirdness and foreignness of Asians are more insidious than jokes about driving skills. If all the kids like these jokes, ok fine. But the fact that you as the adult seem to revel in their freedom to make race-based jokes is very curious. Do you wish you could make racist jokes with impunity?

Asians are like 60% of the world population. Why are they acting so put upon? I thought punching up was always ok?

Are you really this dense? Asians are like 2 percent of Americans. We are talking about American kids. The nation has a history of excluding Asians for being weirdo foreigners. White people making Asian jokes is not punching up. If you think so then you need a history lesson.

They are not 2% in every area. Or in schools. White kids are minority in schools.

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My kids are in Blair. It’s 77% minority. They are all ragging on each other.

But the PP was using world population as evidence that Asians shouldn’t be offended by dog-eating jokes. If you think white kids at Blair are so put upon that they feel the need to “punch up” at Asians, then I guess I will have to take your word for it, as I don’t know that community. I just know that I still feel like a minority and am offended by dog-eating jokes. And I don’t wish for a world where people always call me dog-eater and I just laugh because I’m not a minority. I wish for a world where people don’t take my race into account when making fun of me.

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You are not a victim stop trying to claim victim status.

You don’t know anything about me. I have been the victim of hate speech and race-based sexual assault. Not all Asians have the same experience. You would know that if your social circle were as diverse as you claim.

So here’s the deal. You don’t like these kinds of comments - so you say to the person making them “please stop. I don’t like these comments.” What you don’t do is tell EVERYONE making these comments that they need to stop. Because some people aren’t offended by them and find them funny. You don’t get to set the standard that what works for you must work for everyone else.