Elderly woman died after carjacking near WHC in NW this afternoon, SUV crashed

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Hi, hospital nurse here. No, it’s not my fault or the fault of any of the staff in the ED.

It’s Kayla Kenisha Brown’s fault and hers alone.

Unless your blame-shifting instincts lead you to think someone forcibly shoved psychosis inducing elephant tranquilizers down Kayla Kenisha Brown’s throat? She was just minding her business planting tomatoes out back and maybe The Man or Society sneaked some drugs into her veins against her will?

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Anonymous wrote:This strikes me as a little different than drunk driving. If she was given a drug and had an adverse reaction….that’s different than choosing to drink and drive. I had a family member have an adverse reaction to an meds for dental surgery — they suddenly were trying to jump out of a moving car and hit someone. The nicest person—it was just a weird drug reaction made them suddenly manically depressive and paranoid.
I hope they gave her an immediate tox screen so we can know if the “given a weird drug” story has any basis. She may have gotten weed that was heavily laced with fetanyl, unknown to her, and it induced psychosis.

The “I” in DUI stands for intoxicated. Doesn’t matter if it’s from drugs (including prescription drugs) or alcohol.

My understanding is that DUI does include an intent standard, but normally it’s about intent to drive a vehicle not intent to get intoxicated. I would presume that if you were unintentionally intoxicated, for example roofied, the law wouldn’t necessarily save you but prosecutorial discretion would, considering that your intoxicated state was the result of you being a victim of a separate crime.

Intentionally ingesting drugs then driving is DUI all day long. Even if you didn’t know what drugs you were ingesting.

I thought DUI meant Driving Under the Influence

DUI means Driving Under the Influence and DWI means Driving While Intoxicated. Both apply to alcohol and drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:This strikes me as a little different than drunk driving. If she was given a drug and had an adverse reaction….that’s different than choosing to drink and drive. I had a family member have an adverse reaction to an meds for dental surgery — they suddenly were trying to jump out of a moving car and hit someone. The nicest person—it was just a weird drug reaction made them suddenly manically depressive and paranoid.
I hope they gave her an immediate tox screen so we can know if the “given a weird drug” story has any basis. She may have gotten weed that was heavily laced with fetanyl, unknown to her, and it induced psychosis.

The “I” in DUI stands for intoxicated. Doesn’t matter if it’s from drugs (including prescription drugs) or alcohol.

My understanding is that DUI does include an intent standard, but normally it’s about intent to drive a vehicle not intent to get intoxicated. I would presume that if you were unintentionally intoxicated, for example roofied, the law wouldn’t necessarily save you but prosecutorial discretion would, considering that your intoxicated state was the result of you being a victim of a separate crime.

Intentionally ingesting drugs then driving is DUI all day long. Even if you didn’t know what drugs you were ingesting.

I thought DUI meant Driving Under the Influence

DUI means Driving Under the Influence and DWI means Driving While Intoxicated. Both apply to alcohol and drugs.

Gotcha. Thx.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown’s attorney is saying that the older woman was already deceased when Brown entered the car. If that’s accurate, she’s at most guilty of auto theft.

Well isn’t that convenient. The drugged out criminal could was apparently of sound mind to know if a passenger was deceased before she caused a wreck.

Let’s just get her some counseling and wrap around services.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown’s attorney is saying that the older woman was already deceased when Brown entered the car. If that’s accurate, she’s at most guilty of auto theft.

Well isn’t that convenient. The drugged out criminal could was apparently of sound mind to know if a passenger was deceased before she caused a wreck.

Let’s just get her some counseling and wrap around services.

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I am not the poster you're responding to but this animal sounds like she was so messed up she didn't notice a passenger was in the seat next to her.

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Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/crime/2024/06/police-id-woman-killed-after-stolen-suv-crashes-into-dc-building-suspect-charged-with-murder-kidnapping-carjacking/

A very different version is emerging than what we initially thought.

As speculated, the perp was indeed a patient "acting crazy" and suspected of having taken some unknown drug.

So, like a drunk driver, she had no control over her actions.

Says who? Drunk drivers get convicted all the time. It appears she's not a run of the mill DC carjacker, though. This is more like those incidents of mentally ill guys knifing someone on the street. Random and unexplainable.

These random and unexplainable knifings and carjackings seem to happen in DC - but nowhere else. What could it be? Is it something in the water?

Or perhaps these poor victim-criminals who take bad drugs and then commit crimes are already generally-criminal-minded?

NP Indeed they happen elsewhere. I used to live in Florida and yeah carjackings were occurring there as well. Difference is that if caught in Florida, you will do the time.

Yet have you seen Boston's stats for 2024? ...trend continued through May, with the city logging just three homicides in 2024,

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Wrong. The USAO is literally arguing the opposite in court.

https://wtop.com/crime/2024/06/police-id-woman-killed-after-stolen-suv-crashes-into-dc-building-suspect-charged-with-murder-kidnapping-carjacking/

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Anonymous wrote:This strikes me as a little different than drunk driving. If she was given a drug and had an adverse reaction….that’s different than choosing to drink and drive. I had a family member have an adverse reaction to an meds for dental surgery — they suddenly were trying to jump out of a moving car and hit someone. The nicest person—it was just a weird drug reaction made them suddenly manically depressive and paranoid.
I hope they gave her an immediate tox screen so we can know if the “given a weird drug” story has any basis. She may have gotten weed that was heavily laced with fetanyl, unknown to her, and it induced psychosis.

So, we need to ask her Internet dentist what he gave her.

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I still haven’t finished grieving the tourist who was shot on the CUA campus at around 8 am by a guy who had been let back on the streets.

If you can’t be safe at a hospital, what the heck?

This is why I don’t take my elderly parent to the mall.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

So you can shoot the car owner dead and steal their car and it won’t be carjacking?

I’ll make note.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

So you can shoot the car owner dead and steal their car and it won’t be carjacking?

I’ll make note.

What on earth are you talking about? That is dumb. Seriously. Try to be coherent.

If you murder someone in their house and then walk outside and steal their car then you are guilty of homicide and car theft but no that is not the same as carjacking.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?