Interesting Reddit post exposes a big problem modern dating

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Anonymous wrote:Is the "anger" a real thing or a feature of a few men and social media? I know a few men who lean towards misogyny, but none of them had trouble attracting women. I don't know any men who couldn't attract women and were angry with women as a result.

Men certainly are more vocal and prone to extremism. Young men especially. Large numbers of unattached angry men have destabilized societies through history. Blame testosterone, socialization, patriarchy--take your pick!

Oh, it's a real thing. Get any of these below average men comfortable and watch what comes out. You don't seem to understand that social media is radicalizing people in real life.

You may be right. But my peers don't fit what you describe. I have sons, nephews, cousins, etc., ranging from teenagers to their 30s, but none of them express any anger about not getting women/girls. They seem to have no problem with the opposite sex and I can barely keep up with who they are dating.

Same. The men seem fine. It’s the women shrieking into the wind who seem to be hanging on by a thread, mentally. Even though they actually are doing pretty well by objective standards.

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Anonymous wrote:Attractiveness matters less to women than to men though, resources matter much more. You really think Elon musk is good looking? Men care about looks (because she’s more likely to be fertile and produce healthy offspring) women care about mens resources (because bearing and caring for children is a high resource vulnerability). This is evolutionary biology 101.

Elon Musk isn’t Adonis, but he is much better looking than a lot of men. He’s tall, has all of his hair and has an intelligent face. I’m not sure why you chose him as an example when there are Bezos and Gates.

+1 he is literally the 2nd best looking billionaire behind that Russian dude with a million kids

Russian dude's real face (and this was in his prime 20s):

Well that’s what he looks like now. A little Botox, a little hair color and he’s a hottie. Google his shirtless now pics.

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Women are about to lose all rights because of white Christian men and you want them dating.

Hell no

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Anonymous wrote:Attractiveness matters less to women than to men though, resources matter much more. You really think Elon musk is good looking? Men care about looks (because she’s more likely to be fertile and produce healthy offspring) women care about mens resources (because bearing and caring for children is a high resource vulnerability). This is evolutionary biology 101.

Elon Musk isn’t Adonis, but he is much better looking than a lot of men. He’s tall, has all of his hair and has an intelligent face. I’m not sure why you chose him as an example when there are Bezos and Gates.

+1 he is literally the 2nd best looking billionaire behind that Russian dude with a million kids

Russian dude's real face (and this was in his prime 20s):

Well that’s what he looks like now. A little Botox, a little hair color and he’s a hottie. Google his shirtless now pics.

Elon Musk is in fact ugly. This Russian dude was still more attractive in his 20s. I wonder where he got his hair transplanted from?

I was reading the list from Epstein files, and literally it's a collection of high profile ugly men. Not of them are remotely f...able. No wonder they had to create a sex trafficking system to get laid.

The only two who were remotely attractive from the files were Kimbal Musk and Serge Brin but they didn't seem to be part of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, so there are repercussions for oppressing women for hundreds of years and now they get enhanced choice in who they procreate with? Boo hoo to you.

Poor, oppressed thing, not allowed to work in a coal mine or get blown to bits in the Civil War, WWI, etc etc etc.

No, instead, the men preferred to keep us at home for marital rape, which wasn't outlawed in this country until the 1970s. Our husbands could also beat us with impunity. We couldn't make contracts (so we couldn't legally contract for work in those coal mines), and we weren't allowed to own property.

Again, boo hoo to you. Men made the world in which women were used for their personal and sexual labor, and men had to go out into the world and work and fight. Hard to have a lot of sympathy for your position then or now.

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I think the U.S. has come to accept a woman is still totally hot even if she has a few extra pounds.

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Anonymous wrote:A 2 guy who makes over $500k a year instantly moves up to a 5. Make a million a year and he’s a 7 or 8.

if a woman is rating men based on his income when it should be about looks for this rating then she is a loser and a gold digger.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the U.S. has come to accept a woman is still totally hot even if she has a few extra pounds.

Women can be attractive in a million ways, men are often outright ugly/present poorly or (the vast majority of us) are a bland smear of not ugly not hot. There are a tiny percentage of us that exceed that baseline and they typically are well aware of it by adulthood.

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Anonymous wrote:This was so interesting:



So apparently women think all men are ugly. A thoroughly mid looking woman who rates only a 4-5 is probably looking for a man who is 6-7, which is basically an entire standard deviation or more away from the mean for how women are rating looks for men.

It seems like men evaluate the looks of women much more fairly given that the mean is about a 4/10, which should be expected (5/10). Women seem to have insane expectations for how their partners should look. I guess if you aren't Henry Cavill you're an instant 1 or 2. Modern dating cultures and apps have ruined all expectations, no doubt.

That graph is also missing another hump on the right side titled “women’s attractiveness rated by women”

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Anonymous wrote:This was so interesting:



So apparently women think all men are ugly. A thoroughly mid looking woman who rates only a 4-5 is probably looking for a man who is 6-7, which is basically an entire standard deviation or more away from the mean for how women are rating looks for men.

It seems like men evaluate the looks of women much more fairly given that the mean is about a 4/10, which should be expected (5/10). Women seem to have insane expectations for how their partners should look. I guess if you aren't Henry Cavill you're an instant 1 or 2. Modern dating cultures and apps have ruined all expectations, no doubt.

That graph is also missing another hump on the right side titled “women’s attractiveness rated by women”

I'd be interested in seeing men's attractiveness rated by men. The delusion would be epic. I'll never forget being 22 and having some balding 40-something year old with deep crow's feet tell me men age better than women. Men truly believe that men look better as they age and that attractiveness, not cold hard cash transactions, are why younger women tolerate older men.

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Anonymous wrote:A 2 guy who makes over $500k a year instantly moves up to a 5. Make a million a year and he’s a 7 or 8.

if a woman is rating men based on his income when it should be about looks for this rating then she is a loser and a gold digger.

Would a guy that makes 500K a year give a Walmart cashier a chance if she is beautiful and has a good personality? Absolutely.

Would a professional educated woman give a guy who works at Walmart cashier an opportunity to date her? Absolutely NOT.

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Anonymous wrote:A 2 guy who makes over $500k a year instantly moves up to a 5. Make a million a year and he’s a 7 or 8.

if a woman is rating men based on his income when it should be about looks for this rating then she is a loser and a gold digger.

Would a guy that makes 500K a year give a Walmart cashier a chance if she is beautiful and has a good personality? Absolutely.

Would a professional educated woman give a guy who works at Walmart cashier an opportunity to date her? Absolutely NOT.

I know a high powered career woman who did this. I was in a casual relationship with her. I wanted our relationship to be more serious. Unfortunately for me, she eventually chose a very dumb, blue collar guy who made almost no money. She said she didn't like those things sometimes, but she also clearly likes the fact that she could dominate him. He was athletic and good looking but also extremely nice and did lots of acts of service at a level nobody with a professional job would ever do. He also never complained about her mood swings.

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Anonymous wrote:A 2 guy who makes over $500k a year instantly moves up to a 5. Make a million a year and he’s a 7 or 8.

if a woman is rating men based on his income when it should be about looks for this rating then she is a loser and a gold digger.

Would a guy that makes 500K a year give a Walmart cashier a chance if she is beautiful and has a good personality? Absolutely.

Would a professional educated woman give a guy who works at Walmart cashier an opportunity to date her? Absolutely NOT.

Does he know how to fix stuff?

Really though, the issue is that the man who is a Wal-mart cashier isn’t usually going to want to date a woman who makes a lot of money. When there is that big of an income disparity, the lower earning person is supposed to revolve their entire lives (work, friends, family, kids, hobbies) around the higher earner’s career. Men really don’t tolerate the crap the way that women do.

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An ugly guy can land a hot woman if he is rich - no problem. An unattractive, successful woman landing a hot guy is almost unheard of. That's the reality.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 2 guy who makes over $500k a year instantly moves up to a 5. Make a million a year and he’s a 7 or 8.

if a woman is rating men based on his income when it should be about looks for this rating then she is a loser and a gold digger.

Would a guy that makes 500K a year give a Walmart cashier a chance if she is beautiful and has a good personality? Absolutely.

Would a professional educated woman give a guy who works at Walmart cashier an opportunity to date her? Absolutely NOT.

I know a high powered career woman who did this. I was in a casual relationship with her. I wanted our relationship to be more serious. Unfortunately for me, she eventually chose a very dumb, blue collar guy who made almost no money. She said she didn't like those things sometimes, but she also clearly likes the fact that she could dominate him. He was athletic and good looking but also extremely nice and did lots of acts of service at a level nobody with a professional job would ever do. He also never complained about her mood swings.

Too often in a relationship with someone who is more equal professionally and financially, it is the woman who is going to be forced to give up or downshift her career. As a result, I know a number of successful women who deliberately decided to date and marry someone whose career would not compete with theirs.