Notre Dame reaffirms University’s commitment to legacy admissions after Supreme Court ruling

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, I read a book by Phiilip Jenkins, approximately titled, "Anti-Catholocism: the Last Acceptable Prejudice."

Browsing various threads on this forum, I am reminded that Jenkins' thesis is alive an well.

You have that wrong. The last acceptable discrimination is against Asian Americans. Let me remind you that a Catholic sits on the highest court of law in this country, as you pro ND legacy keep reminding us.

I agree with you that Asians are discrimated against, especially in higher ed. However, I don't think people just laugh it off and pile on like they do when it comes to Catholics. People all over DCUM are very upfront in their anti-Catholicism and seldom are called out for it. It's business as usual because people don't think anyone cares. If you swapped out another religion for Catholic in scores of comments, people would be up in arms.

Again, the criticism is not due to ND being Catholic. It's because of their stance on legacy AND being Catholic.

Georgetown is also a Catholic univ. ND boosters are just special snowflakes.

Also, people rail against Catholic institutions because of the harm it's done over many decades. It's not because of any hate towards Catholics, per se. I'll remind you again, there are six Catholics in SCOTUS - a majority. So, give me a break with the "we are discriminated against" crap.

I’m curious. What’s your connection, if any, to Notre Dame?

what's yours?

Alum

well.. then it's no surprise you are defending ND legacy.

I have one kid in college and one not yet. I'm also a Christian.

The concept of legacy is bad enough, but for a Catholic institution to defend such a practice that mostly helps wealthy people is contrary to Jesus' teachings.

I am not prejudiced against Catholics. That would be very anti-Christian of me.

I’m not defending legacy admissions at ND at all. I actually wish they’d abandon it. I still don’t understand why YOU care about legacy admissions at ND so passionately though. You have no interest in your kid attending. I’m pretty sure about that.

It just seems so odd for someone with zero connection to or interest in the school to get so worked up about. If I were you I’d get a more productive passion.

I care about the unfair practice of legacy admissions, period. People who care about fairness should.

I've posted on other threads about it. This particular thread just happens to be about legacy at ND. I mean.. I could talk about legacy at other colleges, but that would not be on topic, would it.

Legacy admission adds value for everyone though, its analogous to public television. ND and other schools exist because of the generous donations from alumni, just like you get to enjoy public television due to the donations of others. Take awy alumni support of colleges and a number would seek to exist, and your kid would not be able to attend the non-existant school.

Supporters should have perks just like sponsors of public TV receive gifts for donating. So, a legacy bump in admission is appropriate, 100% legacy admission would be a different story if the school received public funding.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, I read a book by Phiilip Jenkins, approximately titled, "Anti-Catholocism: the Last Acceptable Prejudice."

Browsing various threads on this forum, I am reminded that Jenkins' thesis is alive an well.

You have that wrong. The last acceptable discrimination is against Asian Americans. Let me remind you that a Catholic sits on the highest court of law in this country, as you pro ND legacy keep reminding us.

I agree with you that Asians are discrimated against, especially in higher ed. However, I don't think people just laugh it off and pile on like they do when it comes to Catholics. People all over DCUM are very upfront in their anti-Catholicism and seldom are called out for it. It's business as usual because people don't think anyone cares. If you swapped out another religion for Catholic in scores of comments, people would be up in arms.

Again, the criticism is not due to ND being Catholic. It's because of their stance on legacy AND being Catholic.

Georgetown is also a Catholic univ. ND boosters are just special snowflakes.

Also, people rail against Catholic institutions because of the harm it's done over many decades. It's not because of any hate towards Catholics, per se. I'll remind you again, there are six Catholics in SCOTUS - a majority. So, give me a break with the "we are discriminated against" crap.

I’m curious. What’s your connection, if any, to Notre Dame?

what's yours?

Alum

well.. then it's no surprise you are defending ND legacy.

I have one kid in college and one not yet. I'm also a Christian.

The concept of legacy is bad enough, but for a Catholic institution to defend such a practice that mostly helps wealthy people is contrary to Jesus' teachings.

I am not prejudiced against Catholics. That would be very anti-Christian of me.

I’m not defending legacy admissions at ND at all. I actually wish they’d abandon it. I still don’t understand why YOU care about legacy admissions at ND so passionately though. You have no interest in your kid attending. I’m pretty sure about that.

It just seems so odd for someone with zero connection to or interest in the school to get so worked up about. If I were you I’d get a more productive passion.

I care about the unfair practice of legacy admissions, period. People who care about fairness should.

I've posted on other threads about it. This particular thread just happens to be about legacy at ND. I mean.. I could talk about legacy at other colleges, but that would not be on topic, would it.

Legacy admission adds value for everyone though, its analogous to public television. ND and other schools exist because of the generous donations from alumni, just like you get to enjoy public television due to the donations of others. Take awy alumni support of colleges and a number would seek to exist, and your kid would not be able to attend the non-existant school.

Supporters should have perks just like sponsors of public TV receive gifts for donating. So, a legacy bump in admission is appropriate, 100% legacy admission would be a different story if the school received public funding.

I think this less about donations and more about yield protection.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, I read a book by Phiilip Jenkins, approximately titled, "Anti-Catholocism: the Last Acceptable Prejudice."

Browsing various threads on this forum, I am reminded that Jenkins' thesis is alive an well.

You have that wrong. The last acceptable discrimination is against Asian Americans. Let me remind you that a Catholic sits on the highest court of law in this country, as you pro ND legacy keep reminding us.

I agree with you that Asians are discrimated against, especially in higher ed. However, I don't think people just laugh it off and pile on like they do when it comes to Catholics. People all over DCUM are very upfront in their anti-Catholicism and seldom are called out for it. It's business as usual because people don't think anyone cares. If you swapped out another religion for Catholic in scores of comments, people would be up in arms.

Again, the criticism is not due to ND being Catholic. It's because of their stance on legacy AND being Catholic.

Georgetown is also a Catholic univ. ND boosters are just special snowflakes.

Also, people rail against Catholic institutions because of the harm it's done over many decades. It's not because of any hate towards Catholics, per se. I'll remind you again, there are six Catholics in SCOTUS - a majority. So, give me a break with the "we are discriminated against" crap.

I’m curious. What’s your connection, if any, to Notre Dame?

what's yours?

Alum

well.. then it's no surprise you are defending ND legacy.

I have one kid in college and one not yet. I'm also a Christian.

The concept of legacy is bad enough, but for a Catholic institution to defend such a practice that mostly helps wealthy people is contrary to Jesus' teachings.

I am not prejudiced against Catholics. That would be very anti-Christian of me.

I’m not defending legacy admissions at ND at all. I actually wish they’d abandon it. I still don’t understand why YOU care about legacy admissions at ND so passionately though. You have no interest in your kid attending. I’m pretty sure about that.

It just seems so odd for someone with zero connection to or interest in the school to get so worked up about. If I were you I’d get a more productive passion.

I care about the unfair practice of legacy admissions, period. People who care about fairness should.

I've posted on other threads about it. This particular thread just happens to be about legacy at ND. I mean.. I could talk about legacy at other colleges, but that would not be on topic, would it.

Legacy admission adds value for everyone though, its analogous to public television. ND and other schools exist because of the generous donations from alumni, just like you get to enjoy public television due to the donations of others. Take awy alumni support of colleges and a number would seek to exist, and your kid would not be able to attend the non-existant school.

Supporters should have perks just like sponsors of public TV receive gifts for donating. So, a legacy bump in admission is appropriate, 100% legacy admission would be a different story if the school received public funding.

This is like if a Catholic church threw a charity ball for themselves during a recession claiming that it helps poor people.

Here's a thought.. ND and other expensive elite schools could lower the tuition cost such that so many families don't need the aid. But, it's particularly offensive to me as a Christian that a Catholic university does this.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, I read a book by Phiilip Jenkins, approximately titled, "Anti-Catholocism: the Last Acceptable Prejudice."

Browsing various threads on this forum, I am reminded that Jenkins' thesis is alive an well.

You have that wrong. The last acceptable discrimination is against Asian Americans. Let me remind you that a Catholic sits on the highest court of law in this country, as you pro ND legacy keep reminding us.

I agree with you that Asians are discrimated against, especially in higher ed. However, I don't think people just laugh it off and pile on like they do when it comes to Catholics. People all over DCUM are very upfront in their anti-Catholicism and seldom are called out for it. It's business as usual because people don't think anyone cares. If you swapped out another religion for Catholic in scores of comments, people would be up in arms.

Again, the criticism is not due to ND being Catholic. It's because of their stance on legacy AND being Catholic.

Georgetown is also a Catholic univ. ND boosters are just special snowflakes.

Also, people rail against Catholic institutions because of the harm it's done over many decades. It's not because of any hate towards Catholics, per se. I'll remind you again, there are six Catholics in SCOTUS - a majority. So, give me a break with the "we are discriminated against" crap.

I’m curious. What’s your connection, if any, to Notre Dame?

what's yours?

Alum

well.. then it's no surprise you are defending ND legacy.

I have one kid in college and one not yet. I'm also a Christian.

The concept of legacy is bad enough, but for a Catholic institution to defend such a practice that mostly helps wealthy people is contrary to Jesus' teachings.

I am not prejudiced against Catholics. That would be very anti-Christian of me.

I’m not defending legacy admissions at ND at all. I actually wish they’d abandon it. I still don’t understand why YOU care about legacy admissions at ND so passionately though. You have no interest in your kid attending. I’m pretty sure about that.

It just seems so odd for someone with zero connection to or interest in the school to get so worked up about. If I were you I’d get a more productive passion.

I care about the unfair practice of legacy admissions, period. People who care about fairness should.

I've posted on other threads about it. This particular thread just happens to be about legacy at ND. I mean.. I could talk about legacy at other colleges, but that would not be on topic, would it.

Legacy admission adds value for everyone though, its analogous to public television. ND and other schools exist because of the generous donations from alumni, just like you get to enjoy public television due to the donations of others. Take awy alumni support of colleges and a number would seek to exist, and your kid would not be able to attend the non-existant school.

Supporters should have perks just like sponsors of public TV receive gifts for donating. So, a legacy bump in admission is appropriate, 100% legacy admission would be a different story if the school received public funding.

This is like if a Catholic church threw a charity ball for themselves during a recession claiming that it helps poor people.

Here's a thought.. ND and other expensive elite schools could lower the tuition cost such that so many families don't need the aid. But, it's particularly offensive to me as a Christian that a Catholic university does this.

It's only offensive if they are making a huge profit off of each paying student. Are they? Otherwise who will pay to educate the students? Does the money come from a money tree?

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, I read a book by Phiilip Jenkins, approximately titled, "Anti-Catholocism: the Last Acceptable Prejudice."

Browsing various threads on this forum, I am reminded that Jenkins' thesis is alive an well.

You have that wrong. The last acceptable discrimination is against Asian Americans. Let me remind you that a Catholic sits on the highest court of law in this country, as you pro ND legacy keep reminding us.

I agree with you that Asians are discrimated against, especially in higher ed. However, I don't think people just laugh it off and pile on like they do when it comes to Catholics. People all over DCUM are very upfront in their anti-Catholicism and seldom are called out for it. It's business as usual because people don't think anyone cares. If you swapped out another religion for Catholic in scores of comments, people would be up in arms.

Again, the criticism is not due to ND being Catholic. It's because of their stance on legacy AND being Catholic.

Georgetown is also a Catholic univ. ND boosters are just special snowflakes.

Also, people rail against Catholic institutions because of the harm it's done over many decades. It's not because of any hate towards Catholics, per se. I'll remind you again, there are six Catholics in SCOTUS - a majority. So, give me a break with the "we are discriminated against" crap.

I’m curious. What’s your connection, if any, to Notre Dame?

what's yours?

Alum

well.. then it's no surprise you are defending ND legacy.

I have one kid in college and one not yet. I'm also a Christian.

The concept of legacy is bad enough, but for a Catholic institution to defend such a practice that mostly helps wealthy people is contrary to Jesus' teachings.

I am not prejudiced against Catholics. That would be very anti-Christian of me.

I’m not defending legacy admissions at ND at all. I actually wish they’d abandon it. I still don’t understand why YOU care about legacy admissions at ND so passionately though. You have no interest in your kid attending. I’m pretty sure about that.

It just seems so odd for someone with zero connection to or interest in the school to get so worked up about. If I were you I’d get a more productive passion.

I care about the unfair practice of legacy admissions, period. People who care about fairness should.

I've posted on other threads about it. This particular thread just happens to be about legacy at ND. I mean.. I could talk about legacy at other colleges, but that would not be on topic, would it.

Legacy admission adds value for everyone though, its analogous to public television. ND and other schools exist because of the generous donations from alumni, just like you get to enjoy public television due to the donations of others. Take awy alumni support of colleges and a number would seek to exist, and your kid would not be able to attend the non-existant school.

Supporters should have perks just like sponsors of public TV receive gifts for donating. So, a legacy bump in admission is appropriate, 100% legacy admission would be a different story if the school received public funding.

This is like if a Catholic church threw a charity ball for themselves during a recession claiming that it helps poor people.

Here's a thought.. ND and other expensive elite schools could lower the tuition cost such that so many families don't need the aid. But, it's particularly offensive to me as a Christian that a Catholic university does this.

Because ND gets financial support from alumni they can provide support for the full financial need of all accepted students creating a win-win scenario. Not all schools elite or otherwise do so. So, as a Christian you are upset that ND acts in a Christian manner, just not your definition of a Christian manner. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, I read a book by Phiilip Jenkins, approximately titled, "Anti-Catholocism: the Last Acceptable Prejudice."

Browsing various threads on this forum, I am reminded that Jenkins' thesis is alive an well.

You have that wrong. The last acceptable discrimination is against Asian Americans. Let me remind you that a Catholic sits on the highest court of law in this country, as you pro ND legacy keep reminding us.

I agree with you that Asians are discrimated against, especially in higher ed. However, I don't think people just laugh it off and pile on like they do when it comes to Catholics. People all over DCUM are very upfront in their anti-Catholicism and seldom are called out for it. It's business as usual because people don't think anyone cares. If you swapped out another religion for Catholic in scores of comments, people would be up in arms.

Again, the criticism is not due to ND being Catholic. It's because of their stance on legacy AND being Catholic.

Georgetown is also a Catholic univ. ND boosters are just special snowflakes.

Also, people rail against Catholic institutions because of the harm it's done over many decades. It's not because of any hate towards Catholics, per se. I'll remind you again, there are six Catholics in SCOTUS - a majority. So, give me a break with the "we are discriminated against" crap.

I’m curious. What’s your connection, if any, to Notre Dame?

what's yours?

Alum

well.. then it's no surprise you are defending ND legacy.

I have one kid in college and one not yet. I'm also a Christian.

The concept of legacy is bad enough, but for a Catholic institution to defend such a practice that mostly helps wealthy people is contrary to Jesus' teachings.

I am not prejudiced against Catholics. That would be very anti-Christian of me.

I’m not defending legacy admissions at ND at all. I actually wish they’d abandon it. I still don’t understand why YOU care about legacy admissions at ND so passionately though. You have no interest in your kid attending. I’m pretty sure about that.

It just seems so odd for someone with zero connection to or interest in the school to get so worked up about. If I were you I’d get a more productive passion.

I care about the unfair practice of legacy admissions, period. People who care about fairness should.

I've posted on other threads about it. This particular thread just happens to be about legacy at ND. I mean.. I could talk about legacy at other colleges, but that would not be on topic, would it.

Legacy admission adds value for everyone though, its analogous to public television. ND and other schools exist because of the generous donations from alumni, just like you get to enjoy public television due to the donations of others. Take awy alumni support of colleges and a number would seek to exist, and your kid would not be able to attend the non-existant school.

Supporters should have perks just like sponsors of public TV receive gifts for donating. So, a legacy bump in admission is appropriate, 100% legacy admission would be a different story if the school received public funding.

This is like if a Catholic church threw a charity ball for themselves during a recession claiming that it helps poor people.

Here's a thought.. ND and other expensive elite schools could lower the tuition cost such that so many families don't need the aid. But, it's particularly offensive to me as a Christian that a Catholic university does this.

Because ND gets financial support from alumni they can provide support for the full financial need of all accepted students creating a win-win scenario. Not all schools elite or otherwise do so. So, as a Christian you are upset that ND acts in a Christian manner, just not your definition of a Christian manner. Got it.

As stated, ND can lower their costs so they don't have to cater to the rich.

Catering to the rich is not just "Not my definition of Christian." I guess catering to the rich is your and ND's definition of Catholic, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, I read a book by Phiilip Jenkins, approximately titled, "Anti-Catholocism: the Last Acceptable Prejudice."

Browsing various threads on this forum, I am reminded that Jenkins' thesis is alive an well.

You have that wrong. The last acceptable discrimination is against Asian Americans. Let me remind you that a Catholic sits on the highest court of law in this country, as you pro ND legacy keep reminding us.

I agree with you that Asians are discrimated against, especially in higher ed. However, I don't think people just laugh it off and pile on like they do when it comes to Catholics. People all over DCUM are very upfront in their anti-Catholicism and seldom are called out for it. It's business as usual because people don't think anyone cares. If you swapped out another religion for Catholic in scores of comments, people would be up in arms.

Again, the criticism is not due to ND being Catholic. It's because of their stance on legacy AND being Catholic.

Georgetown is also a Catholic univ. ND boosters are just special snowflakes.

Also, people rail against Catholic institutions because of the harm it's done over many decades. It's not because of any hate towards Catholics, per se. I'll remind you again, there are six Catholics in SCOTUS - a majority. So, give me a break with the "we are discriminated against" crap.

I’m curious. What’s your connection, if any, to Notre Dame?

what's yours?

Alum

well.. then it's no surprise you are defending ND legacy.

I have one kid in college and one not yet. I'm also a Christian.

The concept of legacy is bad enough, but for a Catholic institution to defend such a practice that mostly helps wealthy people is contrary to Jesus' teachings.

I am not prejudiced against Catholics. That would be very anti-Christian of me.

I’m not defending legacy admissions at ND at all. I actually wish they’d abandon it. I still don’t understand why YOU care about legacy admissions at ND so passionately though. You have no interest in your kid attending. I’m pretty sure about that.

It just seems so odd for someone with zero connection to or interest in the school to get so worked up about. If I were you I’d get a more productive passion.

I care about the unfair practice of legacy admissions, period. People who care about fairness should.

I've posted on other threads about it. This particular thread just happens to be about legacy at ND. I mean.. I could talk about legacy at other colleges, but that would not be on topic, would it.

Legacy admission adds value for everyone though, its analogous to public television. ND and other schools exist because of the generous donations from alumni, just like you get to enjoy public television due to the donations of others. Take awy alumni support of colleges and a number would seek to exist, and your kid would not be able to attend the non-existant school.

Supporters should have perks just like sponsors of public TV receive gifts for donating. So, a legacy bump in admission is appropriate, 100% legacy admission would be a different story if the school received public funding.

This is like if a Catholic church threw a charity ball for themselves during a recession claiming that it helps poor people.

Here's a thought.. ND and other expensive elite schools could lower the tuition cost such that so many families don't need the aid. But, it's particularly offensive to me as a Christian that a Catholic university does this.

Because ND gets financial support from alumni they can provide support for the full financial need of all accepted students creating a win-win scenario. Not all schools elite or otherwise do so. So, as a Christian you are upset that ND acts in a Christian manner, just not your definition of a Christian manner. Got it.

As stated, ND can lower their costs so they don't have to cater to the rich.

Catering to the rich is not just "Not my definition of Christian." I guess catering to the rich is your and ND's definition of Catholic, though.

Lowering the cost from $90,000 to $70,000 doesn't make a meaningful difference for most middle class families. It's still unaffordable without financial aid. Public universities should totally be affordable to everyone. But private universities should be free to do as they please. Notre Dame is little cultish. But so what? You can get a good education elsewhere if that's not your thing. If they prioritize legacy, so be it. MIT doesn't and they get better students as a result. Notre Dame chose differently. And that's ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, I read a book by Phiilip Jenkins, approximately titled, "Anti-Catholocism: the Last Acceptable Prejudice."

Browsing various threads on this forum, I am reminded that Jenkins' thesis is alive an well.

You have that wrong. The last acceptable discrimination is against Asian Americans. Let me remind you that a Catholic sits on the highest court of law in this country, as you pro ND legacy keep reminding us.

I agree with you that Asians are discrimated against, especially in higher ed. However, I don't think people just laugh it off and pile on like they do when it comes to Catholics. People all over DCUM are very upfront in their anti-Catholicism and seldom are called out for it. It's business as usual because people don't think anyone cares. If you swapped out another religion for Catholic in scores of comments, people would be up in arms.

Again, the criticism is not due to ND being Catholic. It's because of their stance on legacy AND being Catholic.

Georgetown is also a Catholic univ. ND boosters are just special snowflakes.

Also, people rail against Catholic institutions because of the harm it's done over many decades. It's not because of any hate towards Catholics, per se. I'll remind you again, there are six Catholics in SCOTUS - a majority. So, give me a break with the "we are discriminated against" crap.

I’m curious. What’s your connection, if any, to Notre Dame?

what's yours?

Alum

well.. then it's no surprise you are defending ND legacy.

I have one kid in college and one not yet. I'm also a Christian.

The concept of legacy is bad enough, but for a Catholic institution to defend such a practice that mostly helps wealthy people is contrary to Jesus' teachings.

I am not prejudiced against Catholics. That would be very anti-Christian of me.

I’m not defending legacy admissions at ND at all. I actually wish they’d abandon it. I still don’t understand why YOU care about legacy admissions at ND so passionately though. You have no interest in your kid attending. I’m pretty sure about that.

It just seems so odd for someone with zero connection to or interest in the school to get so worked up about. If I were you I’d get a more productive passion.

I care about the unfair practice of legacy admissions, period. People who care about fairness should.

I've posted on other threads about it. This particular thread just happens to be about legacy at ND. I mean.. I could talk about legacy at other colleges, but that would not be on topic, would it.

Legacy admission adds value for everyone though, its analogous to public television. ND and other schools exist because of the generous donations from alumni, just like you get to enjoy public television due to the donations of others. Take awy alumni support of colleges and a number would seek to exist, and your kid would not be able to attend the non-existant school.

Supporters should have perks just like sponsors of public TV receive gifts for donating. So, a legacy bump in admission is appropriate, 100% legacy admission would be a different story if the school received public funding.

This is like if a Catholic church threw a charity ball for themselves during a recession claiming that it helps poor people.

Here's a thought.. ND and other expensive elite schools could lower the tuition cost such that so many families don't need the aid. But, it's particularly offensive to me as a Christian that a Catholic university does this.

Because ND gets financial support from alumni they can provide support for the full financial need of all accepted students creating a win-win scenario. Not all schools elite or otherwise do so. So, as a Christian you are upset that ND acts in a Christian manner, just not your definition of a Christian manner. Got it.

As stated, ND can lower their costs so they don't have to cater to the rich.

Catering to the rich is not just "Not my definition of Christian." I guess catering to the rich is your and ND's definition of Catholic, though.

Lowering the cost from $90,000 to $70,000 doesn't make a meaningful difference for most middle class families. It's still unaffordable without financial aid. Public universities should totally be affordable to everyone. But private universities should be free to do as they please. Notre Dame is little cultish. But so what? You can get a good education elsewhere if that's not your thing. If they prioritize legacy, so be it. MIT doesn't and they get better students as a result. Notre Dame chose differently. And that's ok.

This...leave us be. Look the other way if it is offensive to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Just more proof that ND=cult

What's wrong with that? We love being in the cult. You can just look away.

Cults should not be getting federal tax dollars to support research.

You're just jealous cause you can't get into the cult.

NP but this is hilarious. No, a lot of people want nothing to do with that cult!

One of the weirder things about ND is how many alumni seem to think everyone is jealous of them. I mean, maybe there are some people who grew up in the midwest and applied and got rejected and wound up at Bloomington or University of Ohio or whatever. But most of us have ZERO desire to attend a Catholic university with a really intense, insular culture in the middle of bumble**** with garbage weather. It holds very little interest for most people outside either (1) devout Catholics, or (2) people from that specific part of the Midwest.

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Anonymous wrote:Years ago, I read a book by Phiilip Jenkins, approximately titled, "Anti-Catholocism: the Last Acceptable Prejudice."

Browsing various threads on this forum, I am reminded that Jenkins' thesis is alive an well.

You have that wrong. The last acceptable discrimination is against Asian Americans. Let me remind you that a Catholic sits on the highest court of law in this country, as you pro ND legacy keep reminding us.

I agree with you that Asians are discrimated against, especially in higher ed. However, I don't think people just laugh it off and pile on like they do when it comes to Catholics. People all over DCUM are very upfront in their anti-Catholicism and seldom are called out for it. It's business as usual because people don't think anyone cares. If you swapped out another religion for Catholic in scores of comments, people would be up in arms.

Again, the criticism is not due to ND being Catholic. It's because of their stance on legacy AND being Catholic.

Georgetown is also a Catholic univ. ND boosters are just special snowflakes.

Also, people rail against Catholic institutions because of the harm it's done over many decades. It's not because of any hate towards Catholics, per se. I'll remind you again, there are six Catholics in SCOTUS - a majority. So, give me a break with the "we are discriminated against" crap.

I’m curious. What’s your connection, if any, to Notre Dame?

what's yours?

Alum

well.. then it's no surprise you are defending ND legacy.

I have one kid in college and one not yet. I'm also a Christian.

The concept of legacy is bad enough, but for a Catholic institution to defend such a practice that mostly helps wealthy people is contrary to Jesus' teachings.

I am not prejudiced against Catholics. That would be very anti-Christian of me.

I’m not defending legacy admissions at ND at all. I actually wish they’d abandon it. I still don’t understand why YOU care about legacy admissions at ND so passionately though. You have no interest in your kid attending. I’m pretty sure about that.

It just seems so odd for someone with zero connection to or interest in the school to get so worked up about. If I were you I’d get a more productive passion.

I care about the unfair practice of legacy admissions, period. People who care about fairness should.

I've posted on other threads about it. This particular thread just happens to be about legacy at ND. I mean.. I could talk about legacy at other colleges, but that would not be on topic, would it.

Legacy admission adds value for everyone though, its analogous to public television. ND and other schools exist because of the generous donations from alumni, just like you get to enjoy public television due to the donations of others. Take awy alumni support of colleges and a number would seek to exist, and your kid would not be able to attend the non-existant school.

Supporters should have perks just like sponsors of public TV receive gifts for donating. So, a legacy bump in admission is appropriate, 100% legacy admission would be a different story if the school received public funding.

This is like if a Catholic church threw a charity ball for themselves during a recession claiming that it helps poor people.

Here's a thought.. ND and other expensive elite schools could lower the tuition cost such that so many families don't need the aid. But, it's particularly offensive to me as a Christian that a Catholic university does this.

Because ND gets financial support from alumni they can provide support for the full financial need of all accepted students creating a win-win scenario. Not all schools elite or otherwise do so. So, as a Christian you are upset that ND acts in a Christian manner, just not your definition of a Christian manner. Got it.

As stated, ND can lower their costs so they don't have to cater to the rich.

Catering to the rich is not just "Not my definition of Christian." I guess catering to the rich is your and ND's definition of Catholic, though.

Not Catholic, did not attend ND, nor has anyone in my family. Just supporting a valid approach to providing educational opportunity. ND accepts federal research dollars so is not a truly private university. The exhibit Christian values by meeting the demonstrated financial need of every admitted student. Very few US colleges do.

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Anonymous wrote:Just more proof that ND=cult

What's wrong with that? We love being in the cult. You can just look away.

Cults should not be getting federal tax dollars to support research.

You're just jealous cause you can't get into the cult.

NP but this is hilarious. No, a lot of people want nothing to do with that cult!

One of the weirder things about ND is how many alumni seem to think everyone is jealous of them. I mean, maybe there are some people who grew up in the midwest and applied and got rejected and wound up at Bloomington or University of Ohio or whatever. But most of us have ZERO desire to attend a Catholic university with a really intense, insular culture in the middle of bumble**** with garbage weather. It holds very little interest for most people outside either (1) devout Catholics, or (2) people from that specific part of the Midwest.

Then look the other way. Why are you so obsessed with us. Weird.

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MIT needs to preserve the spots as a smaller school so they can give big advantages to their far worse athletes playing big-time sports like crew, fencing, rifle shooting, water polo, and sailing!

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Catholics have been persecuted to different degrees for most of American history (the worries about Kennedy seem crazy now). There is a reason so many top Catholic students used to attend Georgetown and ND. Harvard and Yale were not exactly recruiting them hard. I think this history does matter to a degree with ND and Georgetown.

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Anonymous wrote:Just more proof that ND=cult

What's wrong with that? We love being in the cult. You can just look away.

Cults should not be getting federal tax dollars to support research.

You're just jealous cause you can't get into the cult.

NP but this is hilarious. No, a lot of people want nothing to do with that cult!

One of the weirder things about ND is how many alumni seem to think everyone is jealous of them. I mean, maybe there are some people who grew up in the midwest and applied and got rejected and wound up at Bloomington or University of Ohio or whatever. But most of us have ZERO desire to attend a Catholic university with a really intense, insular culture in the middle of bumble**** with garbage weather. It holds very little interest for most people outside either (1) devout Catholics, or (2) people from that specific part of the Midwest.

Then look the other way.

That wouldn’t be be very Catholic.

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Discussion stops during the ND football game!