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Notre Dame reaffirms University’s commitment to legacy admissions after Supreme Court ruling
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Anonymous
I have not jumped into this for a while but am the one who posted about the book. I stand by my observation that across the DCUM boards there is palpable anti-Catholic prejudice. I was not explicitly referring to this thread about legacies at Notre Dame. My point is about prejudice and not discrimination. People on DCUM cavalierly denigrate Catholics, their schools, their supposed hypocrisy, etc. That isn't the same as having Catholics nominated to the Supreme Court by Republican presidents (aside from Sotomayor.) |
Anonymous
And I think we should all question whether this is how we should measure a "good" college. |
Anonymous
People my look at the ratings but for the most part pick a place that they can get into that will give them the best career advantage going forward. It is a microeconomic WIIFM decision, so little thought concerning others that get in. USNWR is using a macroeconomic rating of “equity” or “fairness” which in the long run will diminish the school’s brand. So schools will adjust their marketing away from touting ratings to direct to consumer marketing targeting the individuals they want to apply. |
Anonymous
well.. then it's no surprise you are defending ND legacy. I have one kid in college and one not yet. I'm also a Christian. The concept of legacy is bad enough, but for a Catholic institution to defend such a practice that mostly helps wealthy people is contrary to Jesus' teachings. I am not prejudiced against Catholics. That would be very anti-Christian of me. |
Anonymous
Please.. that ^PP stated that there is so much bias against Catholics still, referencing a book "Anti-Catholocism: the Last Acceptable Prejudice." My point about SCOTUS shows that it is not true. people don't "laugh off" discrimination against Asian Americans; they just find it acceptable and shrug their shoulders. And speaking of discrimination against Asian Americans, ND Asian American is 6%, so Asian Americans get a double whammy at ND with their legacy practice and general discrimination against Asian Americans in college admissions. Stop being such a snowflake. People also attack ivy league legacies, too. The only reason why religion is not brought up in those cases is because those aren't religious based institutions. It's even more sad that a so-called Christian based institution has practices that help the wealthy more than any other group. |
Anonymous
NP, not Catholic and not anti-Catholic, been watching this tread and surprised by the reactions. And speaking of discrimination against Asian Americans, ND Asian American is 6%, so Asian Americans get a double whammy at ND with their legacy practice and general discrimination against Asian Americans in college admissions. How is Notre Dame discriminating against Asians when they are admitting at or near their percentage of the population? Won't those 6% if they complete their studies at Notre Dame enjoy the advantage of legacy preference going forward? What is wrong with legacy preference? Not every legacy has come from wealth, they may have gone through college on a scholarship, or their parents may have donated a building, either way the school is accepting a student that has a support system that knows what it takes to get through the institution, a reasonable non-race based decision factor. |
Anonymous
Sorry, but I said people laugh off prejudice against Catholics, not Asian Americans. Asian Americans don't apply to ND at anywhere near the rate they do at state schools and Ivy League schools. I'm sure they would be happy to have more than 6%. Most Asians aren't Catholic aside from Filipinos and Vietnamese. I don't think your premise holds water. Again, I'm not even talking about legacies from Notre Dame or anywhere else. I am just stating that all over this board there's an undertone of anti-Catholicism usually found in the guise of comments similar to yours ("It's even more sad that a so-called Christian based institution has practices that help the wealthy more than any other group.") No one goes there with any religious group but Catholics. If you don't see what I'm talking about then I guess we'll just have to disagree. |
Anonymous
I’m not defending legacy admissions at ND at all. I actually wish they’d abandon it. I still don’t understand why YOU care about legacy admissions at ND so passionately though. You have no interest in your kid attending. I’m pretty sure about that. It just seems so odd for someone with zero connection to or interest in the school to get so worked up about. If I were you I’d get a more productive passion. |
Anonymous
1. It doesn't matter if Asian Am. are only 6% US population since the entire US population is not applying to ND. Asian Americans as a group go to college at a much higher rate than any other group. That is the population you want to look at, not the entire US population. We all know a lot of the top colleges discriminate against Asians. Are you telling me that ND doesn't? Even if all 6% of those Asian American ND students end up having kids who apply to ND, it's still 6% vs the 60% white population. Less than half of children under 18 are white. But, ND is 60% white. You stated, "How is Notre Dame discriminating against Asians when they are admitting at or near their percentage of the population?". Here we have a white population that is less than 50%, but ND white population is 60+% white. Legacy perpetuates the imbalance. 2. What's wrong with legacy preference? Are you serious? How many times have people explained it to you that, for the most part, legacy admission mostly benefits wealth people. 3. Why are you surprised by the reaction? People don't like the practice of legacy admissions. How is that news to you. https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4104037-majority-of-college-students-do-not-support-legacy-admissions-survey/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/legacy-college-admissions-under-scrutiny-again-after-supreme-court-ruling-on-affirmative-action |
Anonymous
I care about the unfair practice of legacy admissions, period. People who care about fairness should. I've posted on other threads about it. This particular thread just happens to be about legacy at ND. I mean.. I could talk about legacy at other colleges, but that would not be on topic, would it. |
Anonymous
Saying that because there are lots of nominally Catholic justices on the Supreme Court means there’s no anti-Catholic prejudice or bias in the country is like saying that there’s no longer prejudice against African Americans because Obama was elected President. It’s a very naive way to look at things. |
Anonymous
"It's even more sad that a so-called Christian based institution has practices that help the wealthy more than any other group." That's not attacking all catholics. That's attacking an institution that claims to be "Christian" having policies that help the wealthy. I would say that about any so-called faith based institution that has such a policy. |
Anonymous
People who are against legacy preferences at ND does not mean that they are anti-Catholic. That would be only true if people are ok with Harvard's legacy admissions but not ND. |
Anonymous
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Anonymous
“A Catholic”? Try five, six if you include Sonia |