Britney & Sam split

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

Yes, because all controlling, alcoholic, emotionally abusive fathers are in jail. Are you serious?

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Anonymous wrote:I would like somebody here on the Jamie Spears hate team to explain in detail how he exploited his position as her conservator/manager.

He drew a $16,000 monthly salary. Before we argue about that, let’s make sure we are all mentally placed in the context of life among the ultra wealthy. He drew that salary and a percentage of her tour revenues. Wouldn’t this be standard for any music industry manager handling a top end client like Britney?

In addition to having oversight of the massive machine that was Britney’s active music career and all the employees attached thereto, Jamie also managed a whole other realm of mental health providers and support staff whose duties were as full time life coaches to keep Britney compliant on her meds, compliant with regular therapy, refraining from illicit drug use and having babies she isn’t equipped to parent, and working on her dance and music as a therapeutic activity as well as one that allows her to meet her obligations to the children she brought into this world. She has those obligations whether she works or not and if she hasn’t kept working from her asset valuation at the time of her coming under court supervision, she would have quickly drained her fortune away to nothing. At present it is estimated at 60-70 million but was single digits before Jamie took the reins.

And yes Britney was muffled (not muzzled) during her conservatorship. We are all hit in the face since she got ‘free’ as to why that was done - she is damaging her brand no less than Kanye has by putting her florid manic episodes on full display of social media and potentially billions. Beyond the hyper sexuality, what must be heartbreaking for her sons is knowing the whole world is watching their seriously mentally ill mother live her mental illness in front of the world in ways other families who struggle on that journey do not have to suffer. Public humiliation adds another whole deep layer of pain to a family’s experience of coexistence with a mentally disturbed loved one.

Britney would have hated and reviled any conservator. Some might think it should always have been a non related party, but there are huge pitfalls there. How many times do we see music and other entertainment industry stars suing their managers for mismanagement of funds and or fraud? Too often. Sometimes family will also exploit, but more often family has a strong protective motive to keep their loved one safe from harm and theft. I am sure that Jamie and Britney’s relationship has been difficult for as long as she’s been mentally ill, and I am also sure he isn’t perfect and made mistakes and wasn’t what she wanted much if not most of the time.

But where is the horrible tell all from Jamie? Where is the sit down interview or social media posts denigrating Britney and exhibiting a callous and self serving nature?

I’m a lawyer. Lots of you here are also lawyers or married to them. Look at the evidence that is plain to see.

In my assessment there are no bad guys here. There is a family struggling with mental illness as millions of families do. There are relationships that are sometimes strained sometimes fractured and hopefully eventually repaired. There is a woman whose family helped her stay as healthy as possible for over a decade until she won the freedom to decompensate and self destruct.

Enjoy the show, I guess? My heart goes out to ALL of them.

“I’m a lawyer”. Lol then you know you don’t have all the facts either. There is nothing “plain to see” .

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

Yes, because all controlling, alcoholic, emotionally abusive fathers are in jail. Are you serious?

The court cannot police family relationships at the level you are suggesting.

It can and does police conservatorships and there is apparently no substantive evidence Britney was defrauded or abused over the course of hers.

Britney’s lawyer was on the case as of a year ago, but nothing has materialized. I guess we will see if anything ever does. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leylamohammed/britney-spears-lawyer-jamie-spears-stole-millions-dollars

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would like somebody here on the Jamie Spears hate team to explain in detail how he exploited his position as her conservator/manager.

He drew a $16,000 monthly salary. Before we argue about that, let’s make sure we are all mentally placed in the context of life among the ultra wealthy. He drew that salary and a percentage of her tour revenues. Wouldn’t this be standard for any music industry manager handling a top end client like Britney?

In addition to having oversight of the massive machine that was Britney’s active music career and all the employees attached thereto, Jamie also managed a whole other realm of mental health providers and support staff whose duties were as full time life coaches to keep Britney compliant on her meds, compliant with regular therapy, refraining from illicit drug use and having babies she isn’t equipped to parent, and working on her dance and music as a therapeutic activity as well as one that allows her to meet her obligations to the children she brought into this world. She has those obligations whether she works or not and if she hasn’t kept working from her asset valuation at the time of her coming under court supervision, she would have quickly drained her fortune away to nothing. At present it is estimated at 60-70 million but was single digits before Jamie took the reins.

And yes Britney was muffled (not muzzled) during her conservatorship. We are all hit in the face since she got ‘free’ as to why that was done - she is damaging her brand no less than Kanye has by putting her florid manic episodes on full display of social media and potentially billions. Beyond the hyper sexuality, what must be heartbreaking for her sons is knowing the whole world is watching their seriously mentally ill mother live her mental illness in front of the world in ways other families who struggle on that journey do not have to suffer. Public humiliation adds another whole deep layer of pain to a family’s experience of coexistence with a mentally disturbed loved one.

Britney would have hated and reviled any conservator. Some might think it should always have been a non related party, but there are huge pitfalls there. How many times do we see music and other entertainment industry stars suing their managers for mismanagement of funds and or fraud? Too often. Sometimes family will also exploit, but more often family has a strong protective motive to keep their loved one safe from harm and theft. I am sure that Jamie and Britney’s relationship has been difficult for as long as she’s been mentally ill, and I am also sure he isn’t perfect and made mistakes and wasn’t what she wanted much if not most of the time.

But where is the horrible tell all from Jamie? Where is the sit down interview or social media posts denigrating Britney and exhibiting a callous and self serving nature?

I’m a lawyer. Lots of you here are also lawyers or married to them. Look at the evidence that is plain to see.

In my assessment there are no bad guys here. There is a family struggling with mental illness as millions of families do. There are relationships that are sometimes strained sometimes fractured and hopefully eventually repaired. There is a woman whose family helped her stay as healthy as possible for over a decade until she won the freedom to decompensate and self destruct.

Enjoy the show, I guess? My heart goes out to ALL of them.

“I’m a lawyer”. Lol then you know you don’t have all the facts either. There is nothing “plain to see” .

That isn’t what I wrote.

I said look at the evidence THAT IS plain to see.

Thank you for letting me know you are, at best, a bad lawyer.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

Yes, because all controlling, alcoholic, emotionally abusive fathers are in jail. Are you serious?

The court cannot police family relationships at the level you are suggesting.

It can and does police conservatorships and there is apparently no substantive evidence Britney was defrauded or abused over the course of hers.

Britney’s lawyer was on the case as of a year ago, but nothing has materialized. I guess we will see if anything ever does. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leylamohammed/britney-spears-lawyer-jamie-spears-stole-millions-dollars

Why are you so invested in defending Jamie Spears? I hope you're getting paid overtime.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

Yes, because all controlling, alcoholic, emotionally abusive fathers are in jail. Are you serious?

The court cannot police family relationships at the level you are suggesting.

It can and does police conservatorships and there is apparently no substantive evidence Britney was defrauded or abused over the course of hers.

Britney’s lawyer was on the case as of a year ago, but nothing has materialized. I guess we will see if anything ever does. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leylamohammed/britney-spears-lawyer-jamie-spears-stole-millions-dollars

Why are you so invested in defending Jamie Spears? I hope you're getting paid overtime.

I’m not. I had an alcoholic emotionally and physically abusive ‘dad’ myself and I’m sure Jamie was a far from perfect father. He and Britney’s mother deserve to be reviled on some level for exposing her to forces that likely exacerbated her mental health issues if not being the catalysts for them. I honestly have strong feelings that maybe children shouldn’t be in these industries at all.

I just haven’t seen the evidence of Jamie’s illegal actions and will reserve judgment until I do.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

Yes, because all controlling, alcoholic, emotionally abusive fathers are in jail. Are you serious?

The court cannot police family relationships at the level you are suggesting.

It can and does police conservatorships and there is apparently no substantive evidence Britney was defrauded or abused over the course of hers.

Britney’s lawyer was on the case as of a year ago, but nothing has materialized. I guess we will see if anything ever does. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leylamohammed/britney-spears-lawyer-jamie-spears-stole-millions-dollars

Why are you so invested in defending Jamie Spears? I hope you're getting paid overtime.

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She at least hasn’t seen the interviews with Britney’s family friend.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

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She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

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You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

Yes, because all controlling, alcoholic, emotionally abusive fathers are in jail. Are you serious?

The court cannot police family relationships at the level you are suggesting.

It can and does police conservatorships and there is apparently no substantive evidence Britney was defrauded or abused over the course of hers.

Britney’s lawyer was on the case as of a year ago, but nothing has materialized. I guess we will see if anything ever does. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leylamohammed/britney-spears-lawyer-jamie-spears-stole-millions-dollars

I did not suggest the court police family relationships.

Is that the lawyer that also took advantage of her or a new one?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

I understand your argument but she’s not in their lives at all. She doesn’t seem to be trying to get help and just posts really embarrassing Instagram videos and pictures. What did she do besides give them money? Honestly?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

I understand your argument but she’s not in their lives at all. She doesn’t seem to be trying to get help and just posts really embarrassing Instagram videos and pictures. What did she do besides give them money? Honestly?

Yes her most recent posts included gyrating in a skimpy leopard bikini around a hot pink stripper pole. I mean, COME ON.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

Yes, because all controlling, alcoholic, emotionally abusive fathers are in jail. Are you serious?

The court cannot police family relationships at the level you are suggesting.

It can and does police conservatorships and there is apparently no substantive evidence Britney was defrauded or abused over the course of hers.

Britney’s lawyer was on the case as of a year ago, but nothing has materialized. I guess we will see if anything ever does. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leylamohammed/britney-spears-lawyer-jamie-spears-stole-millions-dollars

Why are you so invested in defending Jamie Spears? I hope you're getting paid overtime.

I’m not. I had an alcoholic emotionally and physically abusive ‘dad’ myself and I’m sure Jamie was a far from perfect father. He and Britney’s mother deserve to be reviled on some level for exposing her to forces that likely exacerbated her mental health issues if not being the catalysts for them. I honestly have strong feelings that maybe children shouldn’t be in these industries at all.

I just haven’t seen the evidence of Jamie’s illegal actions and will reserve judgment until I do.

Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

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She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

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You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.