Britney & Sam split

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

This has been well documented. They threatened access to her kids. And they could make her life very miserable because it's also documented that she didn't have access to a phone, and couldn't take a tylenol without permission. At some level, to survive, you do what's being asked.

As opposed to all the access she has to her kids now that she is completely off the rails? It was sure terrible when she wasn’t able to post videos like she did on Instagram this past weekend. Given the current behavior she is exhibiting, I’m not exactly confident she is going to survive long either. So again, Free Britney supporter, what exactly was the point to freeing her from the structure that helped her maintain her mental health? You want to quibble about Jamie’s position and whether he should have been overseeing it, sure, but the conservatorship itself was obviously the only thing that allowed her to function somewhat normally.

+ 1 million

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

This has been well documented. They threatened access to her kids. And they could make her life very miserable because it's also documented that she didn't have access to a phone, and couldn't take a tylenol without permission. At some level, to survive, you do what's being asked.

As opposed to all the access she has to her kids now that she is completely off the rails? It was sure terrible when she wasn’t able to post videos like she did on Instagram this past weekend. Given the current behavior she is exhibiting, I’m not exactly confident she is going to survive long either. So again, Free Britney supporter, what exactly was the point to freeing her from the structure that helped her maintain her mental health? You want to quibble about Jamie’s position and whether he should have been overseeing it, sure, but the conservatorship itself was obviously the only thing that allowed her to function somewhat normally.

Why isn't Kanye under conservatorship? He exhibits all the same chaotic behavior but he I guess having a penis gives you more rights to being a blight on society.

This isn’t about Kanye, but it’s telling that you flipped the script to him instead of addressing the points.

+1. It's arguable he should be but this thread is not about him. There's basically no overlap between people who think Britney's conservatorship was warranted in someway even with its flaws who would be protesting against similar measures for someone like Kanye. Trash argument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

Get a life, seriously. It's frankly appalling that you are so emboldened by your faux-expertise, that is blatantly lopsided. I feel sorry for your clients since you clearly demonize anyone struggling with mental health.

NP here. Recognizing the severity of the impact of mental illness on a person and his/her loved ones is not demonizing those who struggle with mental health. It is a very accurate description of what often is the case. Britney's life before and after the conservatorship shows the severity of her mental health issues when not taking the right meds consistently, having unlimited access to technology, and having the fredom to do whatever she wants. We are not demonizing or mocking. It is tragic to observe what the media has seen and shared, and we only know a small fraction of what's happening-- partly because she films herself and posts it for the world to see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

This has been well documented. They threatened access to her kids. And they could make her life very miserable because it's also documented that she didn't have access to a phone, and couldn't take a tylenol without permission. At some level, to survive, you do what's being asked.

As opposed to all the access she has to her kids now that she is completely off the rails? It was sure terrible when she wasn’t able to post videos like she did on Instagram this past weekend. Given the current behavior she is exhibiting, I’m not exactly confident she is going to survive long either. So again, Free Britney supporter, what exactly was the point to freeing her from the structure that helped her maintain her mental health? You want to quibble about Jamie’s position and whether he should have been overseeing it, sure, but the conservatorship itself was obviously the only thing that allowed her to function somewhat normally.

Why isn't Kanye under conservatorship? He exhibits all the same chaotic behavior but he I guess having a penis gives you more rights to being a blight on society.

Has it occurred to you that Kanye has no family that cares enough about his well being to risk his temporary disfavor by staging an intervention or seeking a 5150 hold when he’s actively going off the rails?

Some family will do anything to try to save their loved ones from themselves, and others will stand by and watch or even actively enable their self destruction. Add enormous wealth to the equation and the dysfunction rises exponentially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

Get a life, seriously. It's frankly appalling that you are so emboldened by your faux-expertise, that is blatantly lopsided. I feel sorry for your clients since you clearly demonize anyone struggling with mental health.

DP and disagree with your comments re lopsided, demonizing.

LOL. She said people who have bipolar disorder are [checks notes]: murderers, liars, paranoid, psychotic, exploitative (her nieces in particular), manipulative (also nieces), drug addicts, sick, and non-compliant.

People who do not have bipolar disorder are [checks notes]: victims (intimated), helpers, and respectful.

Frankly, she should be kicked out of her job for these biases. Also, because it’s unethical to diagnose someone she doesn’t know through therapy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

Get a life, seriously. It's frankly appalling that you are so emboldened by your faux-expertise, that is blatantly lopsided. I feel sorry for your clients since you clearly demonize anyone struggling with mental health.

NP here. Recognizing the severity of the impact of mental illness on a person and his/her loved ones is not demonizing those who struggle with mental health. It is a very accurate description of what often is the case. Britney's life before and after the conservatorship shows the severity of her mental health issues when not taking the right meds consistently, having unlimited access to technology, and having the fredom to do whatever she wants. We are not demonizing or mocking. It is tragic to observe what the media has seen and shared, and we only know a small fraction of what's happening-- partly because she films herself and posts it for the world to see.

Oh right, because media is soo trustworthy. Do you know the staggering figures these outlets made off her because THEY were literally chasing her. She is demonizing per my last post.

Your faux-concern is sickening. What difference is it to you if Britney dances in her underwear, or divorces, or burns piles of money in her yard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

This has been well documented. They threatened access to her kids. And they could make her life very miserable because it's also documented that she didn't have access to a phone, and couldn't take a tylenol without permission. At some level, to survive, you do what's being asked.

As opposed to all the access she has to her kids now that she is completely off the rails? It was sure terrible when she wasn’t able to post videos like she did on Instagram this past weekend. Given the current behavior she is exhibiting, I’m not exactly confident she is going to survive long either. So again, Free Britney supporter, what exactly was the point to freeing her from the structure that helped her maintain her mental health? You want to quibble about Jamie’s position and whether he should have been overseeing it, sure, but the conservatorship itself was obviously the only thing that allowed her to function somewhat normally.

Why isn't Kanye under conservatorship? He exhibits all the same chaotic behavior but he I guess having a penis gives you more rights to being a blight on society.

This isn’t about Kanye, but it’s telling that you flipped the script to him instead of addressing the points.

+1. It's arguable he should be but this thread is not about him. There's basically no overlap between people who think Britney's conservatorship was warranted in someway even with its flaws who would be protesting against similar measures for someone like Kanye. Trash argument.

We’ve gone over the points over and over but you aren’t listening. You just want to keep regurgitating the same BS why she’s “crazy” and not acknowledge anything else. We’re just done with you entirely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

Get a life, seriously. It's frankly appalling that you are so emboldened by your faux-expertise, that is blatantly lopsided. I feel sorry for your clients since you clearly demonize anyone struggling with mental health.

DP and disagree with your comments re lopsided, demonizing.

LOL. She said people who have bipolar disorder are [checks notes]: murderers, liars, paranoid, psychotic, exploitative (her nieces in particular), manipulative (also nieces), drug addicts, sick, and non-compliant.

People who do not have bipolar disorder are [checks notes]: victims (intimated), helpers, and respectful.

Frankly, she should be kicked out of her job for these biases. Also, because it’s unethical to diagnose someone she doesn’t know through therapy.

I’m the furthest thing from a demonizer of people with mental illness. I *have* mental illness, since early childhood experiences of domestic violence and sexual assault and molestation. My first suicide attempt was in my early teens. I have a deep concern and lifelong abiding desire to help people with mental illness, since every single person in my immediate family suffered or suffers from one type or another.

I’m the person who was defending the man with bipolar in Newton Mass who murdered his neighbors in a manic psychotic state. I was crushed to see the story, for ALL the victims which includes the man himself and his family who have diligently helped and tried for years to get him treatment and keep him compliant in a system that is overwhelmed and often fails especially the working classes which his family largely is/was. His writings are available online and it is clear his is a thoughtful and kindhearted person who was devastated by his own illness which has now destroyed his life and damaged many, many others by the ripples effects of his psychotic acts. My nieces who happen to be bipolar and also suffer personality disorder are both beautiful souls, intelligent and kind and talented with so much to give that they cannot give because of their illness and the lack of treatment resources and the difficulty of staying meds compliant with all the factors stacked against them. But yes, the disease manifests as the behaviors I asserted and that’s in the DSM and any longtime practitioner will affirm my comments, for pity’s sake, I’ve learned all this language and perspective from hundreds of hours of trainings with mental health professionals and from a minor in psychology once upon a time and from years of reading and keeping up on the latest developments in treatment modalities in the mental health field and from having read hundreds of psych evals and interacted with hundreds of mentally ill clients, etc.

I’m not making things up or demonizing or dismissing. I think your defensiveness is probably well founded and rooted in some negative experience of your own and I respect that. But you are making these accusations to a woman who cries on a regular basis for the pain of her own family’s mental health saga and also for the many people she’s worked with whose own families have the same painful journey and who can see the same in the Spears family and from the abundance of available evidence and can feel compassion for them, too. My heart goes out to Britney - imagine the life she’d be leading if she weren’t so ill. Just as I everyday imagine what my nieces could be doing if they weren’t just struggling every day to navigate a mental illness.

Please carefully consider your next attack before you make it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

Get a life, seriously. It's frankly appalling that you are so emboldened by your faux-expertise, that is blatantly lopsided. I feel sorry for your clients since you clearly demonize anyone struggling with mental health.

NP here. Recognizing the severity of the impact of mental illness on a person and his/her loved ones is not demonizing those who struggle with mental health. It is a very accurate description of what often is the case. Britney's life before and after the conservatorship shows the severity of her mental health issues when not taking the right meds consistently, having unlimited access to technology, and having the fredom to do whatever she wants. We are not demonizing or mocking. It is tragic to observe what the media has seen and shared, and we only know a small fraction of what's happening-- partly because she films herself and posts it for the world to see.

Oh right, because media is soo trustworthy. Do you know the staggering figures these outlets made off her because THEY were literally chasing her. She is demonizing per my last post.

Your faux-concern is sickening. What difference is it to you if Britney dances in her underwear, or divorces, or burns piles of money in her yard?

Media is not trustworthy. Let's start by Britney not posting those videos of herself. It seems that you aren't concerned about her behaviors and the ones you mentioned, but most people think of them as very sad and disturbing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

Get a life, seriously. It's frankly appalling that you are so emboldened by your faux-expertise, that is blatantly lopsided. I feel sorry for your clients since you clearly demonize anyone struggling with mental health.

NP here. Recognizing the severity of the impact of mental illness on a person and his/her loved ones is not demonizing those who struggle with mental health. It is a very accurate description of what often is the case. Britney's life before and after the conservatorship shows the severity of her mental health issues when not taking the right meds consistently, having unlimited access to technology, and having the fredom to do whatever she wants. We are not demonizing or mocking. It is tragic to observe what the media has seen and shared, and we only know a small fraction of what's happening-- partly because she films herself and posts it for the world to see.

Oh right, because media is soo trustworthy. Do you know the staggering figures these outlets made off her because THEY were literally chasing her. She is demonizing per my last post.

Your faux-concern is sickening. What difference is it to you if Britney dances in her underwear, or divorces, or burns piles of money in her yard?

Media is not trustworthy. Let's start by Britney not posting those videos of herself. It seems that you aren't concerned about her behaviors and the ones you mentioned, but most people think of them as very sad and disturbing.

No, I’m not concerned that Britney Spears isn’t people pleasing you.

[Anonymous]

The free Britney people are still out here saying this is all shock horror and the result of everyone taking advantage of her. Not saying people haven't - clearly they have - but she is NOT independent and has major mental health problems. Her drama didn't come outta nowhwre.

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Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

Get a life, seriously. It's frankly appalling that you are so emboldened by your faux-expertise, that is blatantly lopsided. I feel sorry for your clients since you clearly demonize anyone struggling with mental health.

NP here. Recognizing the severity of the impact of mental illness on a person and his/her loved ones is not demonizing those who struggle with mental health. It is a very accurate description of what often is the case. Britney's life before and after the conservatorship shows the severity of her mental health issues when not taking the right meds consistently, having unlimited access to technology, and having the fredom to do whatever she wants. We are not demonizing or mocking. It is tragic to observe what the media has seen and shared, and we only know a small fraction of what's happening-- partly because she films herself and posts it for the world to see.

Oh right, because media is soo trustworthy. Do you know the staggering figures these outlets made off her because THEY were literally chasing her. She is demonizing per my last post.

Your faux-concern is sickening. What difference is it to you if Britney dances in her underwear, or divorces, or burns piles of money in her yard?

Media is not trustworthy. Let's start by Britney not posting those videos of herself. It seems that you aren't concerned about her behaviors and the ones you mentioned, but most people think of them as very sad and disturbing.

No, I’m not concerned that Britney Spears isn’t people pleasing you.

It's not about pleasing anyone. It's about getting mental health help and support when needed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

I'd also like to hear the answer to this from the Free Britney folks since her ability to put on performances (which they ate up and attended) was a cornerstone of the argument that she MUST be mentally sound because otherwise she couldn't be such a Queen! Or, she was basically a working like a slave for her father as he took her from disastrous ruin to solvency.

I don't think her father is the best, but I come down on the side of medication and the structure of working (plus fan adoration!) Was probably healthier structure than whatever she has going on now...

She obviously still loves to dance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She has plenty of money for a lifetime. She should move to a smaller place near friends, maybe give lessons in dance/entertainment, volunteer her gifts in a school for at risk kids, etc. So many things she could do! Just get near supportive people and take meds. Live a healthy lifestyle.

She wants to be on that pole for millions to see. Free Britney /s

[Anonymous]

Page six and Daily Mail reporting Britney’s new beau is the felon housekeeper who was fired from working for her but with whom she is now palling around - one can surmise the same housekeeper Sam alleges she cheated on him with.

This article also details all the relationships she’s had over the years - including a few who sound like decent guys but her dad intervened? So maybe they weren’t, or maybe they were and he didn’t want her to have a strong advocate in her corner. I wonder especially what happened with the former manager she was with for a few years, her longest relationship before Sam.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article...-month-marriage.html