Britney & Sam split

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Anonymous wrote:I also don’t think Jamie had bad intentions. He may not have done a great job of managing the conservatorship but it is a very complicated thing given her fame and money and all that goes along with it, on top of a family member. When the relationship between Jamie and Britney soured, he may initially have thought this was more her illness and mental state than their relationship itself and that it would righty itself as it likely had before when she was feeling better. Moving to a neutral conservator was the right move once it was clear the relationship was damaged.

+1 agree with you

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Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

I'm not trying to defend all he did at all. I just think their backgrounds (parents') didn't prepare them for the fame, money, and extent of their daughter's mental illness. Even Jamie Lynn has traveled a rocky road.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

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She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

[Anonymous]

Poor Britney!

Sam was the best guy she has ever had and now that he is divorcing her, she may not fare so well in the relationship department.

She has not aged well (due to cigarettes + suntanning) plus she has a plethora of mental/family issues now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

NP. What crap. If it were a man that had been providing, gender reversal, you wouldn’t be saying this at all. Britney has refused medical care and has been nothing but an embarrassment to those kids. The least she could do is support them. They owe her nothing. Best thing they could do is move away.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

He should be in jail for coercion of forced labor. I investigate forced labor conditions for a living and I was shocked at the allegations raised in the documentaries. If even only 1/4 of the allegations are true, Britney was absolutely subject to forced labor conditions with forced indicators present for so many years, with family and other managing employees reaping financial benefits. Here are the internationally recognized indicators of forced labor: https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---ed_norm/---declaration/documents/publication/wcms_203832.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also don’t think Jamie had bad intentions. He may not have done a great job of managing the conservatorship but it is a very complicated thing given her fame and money and all that goes along with it, on top of a family member. When the relationship between Jamie and Britney soured, he may initially have thought this was more her illness and mental state than their relationship itself and that it would righty itself as it likely had before when she was feeling better. Moving to a neutral conservator was the right move once it was clear the relationship was damaged.

I have a really hard time believing Jamie’s intentions weren’t all about money. He basically forced her to work and perform concerts in her fragile mental state. She had plenty of money. That was just messed up.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

I’m not a Kevin fan, but he moved to Hawaii to get away from paparazzi. Child support rules stay with California. If she pays child support longer, she voluntarily does it.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

A lot of guilty people never get charged or go to jail, especially rich white men.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also don’t think Jamie had bad intentions. He may not have done a great job of managing the conservatorship but it is a very complicated thing given her fame and money and all that goes along with it, on top of a family member. When the relationship between Jamie and Britney soured, he may initially have thought this was more her illness and mental state than their relationship itself and that it would righty itself as it likely had before when she was feeling better. Moving to a neutral conservator was the right move once it was clear the relationship was damaged.

I have a really hard time believing Jamie’s intentions weren’t all about money. He basically forced her to work and perform concerts in her fragile mental state. She had plenty of money. That was just messed up.

I am not saying he handled it all well. He isn't a trained conservator but working and the structure that provided may have been good for her. Many people with mental illnesses work. Lying at home in bed 24/7 or not doing anythig productive is not really conducive to good mental health and if she was treated, working may have made her feel good. I don't know for sure but I am not convinced he was an evil minded man who saw the conservatorship as a way to make money. I don't think Jamie is all that much brighter than Britney and may have his own mental fragility given his family history. He had some major traumas early in life. I think he probably just bumped along making reactive decisions as he went based on what was going on with Britney. Managing a family member with mental illness is hard for anyone. It went downhill at somepoint but I am not sure the entirety of the conservatorship was about him plotting and planning to take her money or to force her to work. I think both parents had been spending her money in various ways since she was a child - seems to be a common trend with child actors / stars. People have a hard transitioning from rural / poverty / simple life (or their life pre money) to Hollywood life and millions of dollars and fame. Especially when they aren't that bright or savvy (entire Spears family). Conservatorships are pretty closely audited and have to have third party financial audits so there should be a pretty clear paper trail of the money.

[Anonymous]

I would like somebody here on the Jamie Spears hate team to explain in detail how he exploited his position as her conservator/manager.

He drew a $16,000 monthly salary. Before we argue about that, let’s make sure we are all mentally placed in the context of life among the ultra wealthy. He drew that salary and a percentage of her tour revenues. Wouldn’t this be standard for any music industry manager handling a top end client like Britney?

In addition to having oversight of the massive machine that was Britney’s active music career and all the employees attached thereto, Jamie also managed a whole other realm of mental health providers and support staff whose duties were as full time life coaches to keep Britney compliant on her meds, compliant with regular therapy, refraining from illicit drug use and having babies she isn’t equipped to parent, and working on her dance and music as a therapeutic activity as well as one that allows her to meet her obligations to the children she brought into this world. She has those obligations whether she works or not and if she hasn’t kept working from her asset valuation at the time of her coming under court supervision, she would have quickly drained her fortune away to nothing. At present it is estimated at 60-70 million but was single digits before Jamie took the reins.

And yes Britney was muffled (not muzzled) during her conservatorship. We are all hit in the face since she got ‘free’ as to why that was done - she is damaging her brand no less than Kanye has by putting her florid manic episodes on full display of social media and potentially billions. Beyond the hyper sexuality, what must be heartbreaking for her sons is knowing the whole world is watching their seriously mentally ill mother live her mental illness in front of the world in ways other families who struggle on that journey do not have to suffer. Public humiliation adds another whole deep layer of pain to a family’s experience of coexistence with a mentally disturbed loved one.

Britney would have hated and reviled any conservator. Some might think it should always have been a non related party, but there are huge pitfalls there. How many times do we see music and other entertainment industry stars suing their managers for mismanagement of funds and or fraud? Too often. Sometimes family will also exploit, but more often family has a strong protective motive to keep their loved one safe from harm and theft. I am sure that Jamie and Britney’s relationship has been difficult for as long as she’s been mentally ill, and I am also sure he isn’t perfect and made mistakes and wasn’t what she wanted much if not most of the time.

But where is the horrible tell all from Jamie? Where is the sit down interview or social media posts denigrating Britney and exhibiting a callous and self serving nature?

I’m a lawyer. Lots of you here are also lawyers or married to them. Look at the evidence that is plain to see.

In my assessment there are no bad guys here. There is a family struggling with mental illness as millions of families do. There are relationships that are sometimes strained sometimes fractured and hopefully eventually repaired. There is a woman whose family helped her stay as healthy as possible for over a decade until she won the freedom to decompensate and self destruct.

Enjoy the show, I guess? My heart goes out to ALL of them.