Britney & Sam split

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

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She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

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You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

I understand your argument but she’s not in their lives at all. She doesn’t seem to be trying to get help and just posts really embarrassing Instagram videos and pictures. What did she do besides give them money? Honestly?

Yes her most recent posts included gyrating in a skimpy leopard bikini around a hot pink stripper pole. I mean, COME ON.

You’re judging her behavior as if she’s stable and well making these choices. She is not.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

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You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

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And I’ve had young adult family members ‘responsible’ for their addict mentally unstable parents. Their parents continued to embarrass them and rely heavily on them for day to day needs. It was really unfair for a 24 year old to take care of their mother in that way when she refused to try to change or get help. They eventually distanced themselves.

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PP and just to note- their mother did not raise them for most of their childhood and was unsafe/drunk/addicted to cocaine when she was around. Their dad was the primary parent.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

No one has said the kids should take care of her. You need to reread the last several pages.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

No one has said the kids should take care of her. You need to reread the last several pages.

NP. The Britney stan literally said her children needed to mature and come “save/take care of her” a couple pages back.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

No one has said the kids should take care of her. You need to reread the last several pages.

NP. The Britney stan literally said her children needed to mature and come “save/take care of her” a couple pages back.

^^ Actually, it’s in this comment thread, you just need to expand the quotes

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

No one has said the kids should take care of her. You need to reread the last several pages.

NP. The Britney stan literally said her children needed to mature and come “save/take care of her” a couple pages back.

^^ Actually, it’s in this comment thread, you just need to expand the quotes

Again, reading comprehension problems.
Nobody said "need".

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

Your overly positive statement about schizophrenia is erroneous.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

Your overly positive statement about schizophrenia is erroneous.

No it isn't. The idea that everyone with schizophrenia is incompetent or severely ill is pertetuated by the movies but not fact. There are people with both diagnoses who go on to live productive, functional, independent lives. That doesn't mean that every person with these diagnoses is equally functional but with early intervention and with treatment adherence, some do. Some are working professional jobs, some married, some parenting, some travelling - living their lives with a mental illness that is managed.

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Her IG is a hot mess. She is completely stuck in the early 2000s. Her makeup and bad weave show how much she is out of it. And why does she alway act like she is about to pull her underwear down. She really needs a legal guardian.

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Anonymous wrote:Her IG is a hot mess. She is completely stuck in the early 2000s. Her makeup and bad weave show how much she is out of it. And why does she alway act like she is about to pull her underwear down. She really needs a legal guardian.

Yes. Those are completely valid reasons for a guardianship. Someone is call the fashion police for a 5150.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

I understand your argument but she’s not in their lives at all. She doesn’t seem to be trying to get help and just posts really embarrassing Instagram videos and pictures. What did she do besides give them money? Honestly?

Yes her most recent posts included gyrating in a skimpy leopard bikini around a hot pink stripper pole. I mean, COME ON.

You’re judging her behavior as if she’s stable and well making these choices. She is not.

She needs to be hospitalized.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

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She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

Your overly positive statement about schizophrenia is erroneous.

No it isn't. The idea that everyone with schizophrenia is incompetent or severely ill is pertetuated by the movies but not fact. There are people with both diagnoses who go on to live productive, functional, independent lives. That doesn't mean that every person with these diagnoses is equally functional but with early intervention and with treatment adherence, some do. Some are working professional jobs, some married, some parenting, some travelling - living their lives with a mental illness that is managed.

Some, yes. Not most.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

Your overly positive statement about schizophrenia is erroneous.

No it isn't. The idea that everyone with schizophrenia is incompetent or severely ill is pertetuated by the movies but not fact. There are people with both diagnoses who go on to live productive, functional, independent lives. That doesn't mean that every person with these diagnoses is equally functional but with early intervention and with treatment adherence, some do. Some are working professional jobs, some married, some parenting, some travelling - living their lives with a mental illness that is managed.

Britney does not appear to be one of those (rare) people. Her family should not judge and hate her for her behavior because she is not well. Unwell people don’t think “I just need to take my meds on time today” - they don’t take their meds. She needs help and neither her father nor her husband were up for the task.