Britney & Sam split

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is her sister doing now? Are they not speaking?

I agree 60M doesn’t seem like much for her given she’s young and basically will not be able to work again. I’m not sure how the math would work but assuming something like 5% long term interest, and a normal life span, how much could she spend per year? 2M? I think she needs a budget and a Kato Kaelin type friend who is a basically nice person who will be a friend in exchange for living in her guest house etc. And medication obviously.

Her sister is acting again but left the limelight for a while and lived in a small town in the South somewhere. She was dragged through the mud herself when she was pregnant as a teenager and I think wanted to remove herself. She’s also like ten years younger than a Britney so she’s probably just trying to raise her kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is her sister doing now? Are they not speaking?

I agree 60M doesn’t seem like much for her given she’s young and basically will not be able to work again. I’m not sure how the math would work but assuming something like 5% long term interest, and a normal life span, how much could she spend per year? 2M? I think she needs a budget and a Kato Kaelin type friend who is a basically nice person who will be a friend in exchange for living in her guest house etc. And medication obviously.

What makes you think she can’t work again?

[Anonymous]

A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

[Anonymous]

For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

+1 thank you for your comprehensive post

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

+1 thank you for your comprehensive post

+2 Agree with this completely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

I'd also like to hear the answer to this from the Free Britney folks since her ability to put on performances (which they ate up and attended) was a cornerstone of the argument that she MUST be mentally sound because otherwise she couldn't be such a Queen! Or, she was basically a working like a slave for her father as he took her from disastrous ruin to solvency.

I don't think her father is the best, but I come down on the side of medication and the structure of working (plus fan adoration!) Was probably healthier structure than whatever she has going on now...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

This has been well documented. They threatened access to her kids. And they could make her life very miserable because it's also documented that she didn't have access to a phone, and couldn't take a tylenol without permission. At some level, to survive, you do what's being asked.

[Anonymous]

I'm pp, and it sounds like the performing is something she felt good at doing. However, she didn't want to do the last Vegas show and literally walked off. She was becoming difficult and finally demanding more, hence the crumbling of the conservatorship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

Get a life, seriously. It's frankly appalling that you are so emboldened by your faux-expertise, that is blatantly lopsided. I feel sorry for your clients since you clearly demonize anyone struggling with mental health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

This has been well documented. They threatened access to her kids. And they could make her life very miserable because it's also documented that she didn't have access to a phone, and couldn't take a tylenol without permission. At some level, to survive, you do what's being asked.

As opposed to all the access she has to her kids now that she is completely off the rails? It was sure terrible when she wasn’t able to post videos like she did on Instagram this past weekend. Given the current behavior she is exhibiting, I’m not exactly confident she is going to survive long either. So again, Free Britney supporter, what exactly was the point to freeing her from the structure that helped her maintain her mental health? You want to quibble about Jamie’s position and whether he should have been overseeing it, sure, but the conservatorship itself was obviously the only thing that allowed her to function somewhat normally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few things:

Bipolar can be a very extreme illness especially if left untreated - the guy in Boston who broke into a home earlier this year in his neighborhood and violently attacked and murdered three elders was floridly psychotic after months in a manic state and unmedicated. People with serious bipolar disorder do sometimes suffer psychotic episodes and baseline paranoia that makes relationship to other people very fraught. People should be keeping this reality in mind when they hear Britney’s accusations against her father and other family members and everyone else she accuses of being out to get her.

Britney’s wealth had dwindled to the single digit millions at the time she shaved her head and was ultimately hospitalized and finally came under the conservatorship. Her father Jamie managed her and her assets to an estimation of $60-70 million at present which suggests he didn’t harm her but rather helped her to meet her debts and ongoing support obligations and to build a fortune upon which she could rely for many years going forward if managed properly. The fortune would be even bigger today if she hadn’t insisted on quitting. The free Britney brigade wants to claim she was being forced to work but then also wants to claim Jamie stole her fortune and there just isn’t any evidence of that yet presented, only Britney’s perhaps paranoid mind making accusations and compelling her to spend millions on a lawyer who in two years hasn’t been able to present evidence to substantiate the claims. Meanwhile Jamie was required to file regularly into the court reports of her finances under the conservatorship and so far he’s not wearing cuffs so it seems the DA of that jurisdiction saw nothing to alarm.

There’s an article on DM this morning that asserts Britney wants to make up with her dad now. I’m admittedly the poster who has two nieces that suffer bipolar and act just like Britney but with fewer dollars involved - they both definitely financially exploit their parents and anyone else they can and it’s an ongoing roller coaster of emotions dealing with their cycling and manipulation etc. When I look at Britney, I see how it would be if either of my nieces won the lottery and were the ones with money that they could use to further manipulate. The mental illness is the driving issue, and all this drama would be happening on a smaller scale to the Spears family if Britney was a bipolar hairdresser or LPN or perpetually unemployed drug addict in small town Louisiana.

Posters said Sam should get a real job - in Britney’s comments on the split thus far one of her complaints was that Sam has been unavailable to her because of his filming schedule and being away from home to do that. Sam IS trying to be his own independent person and there isn’t evidence that he actually threatened anything, his public statements have been respectful considering that it appears clear he was a victim of domestic abuse in the marriage as per the statements of household staff and security. It is one of the hardest things imaginable to have an intimate relationship with an unmedicated mentally ill person, so I just don’t fault this guy until I see good reason to. He stayed with her for six+ years - the majority of which time she was under the conservatorship and medicated and engaging (albeit reluctantly) in ongoing therapy and occasional stints in hospital when she became ill despite the meds and therapy - because that is how sick she is. Since getting ‘free’ and marrying Sam she isn’t compliant with anything and he realizes she cannot be saved by love alone.

I come from a family with mental illness and have spent decades now working with people who have mental illness in family and criminal and dependency/neglect courts. I’ve had hundreds of hours of relevant trainings and read voluminously in order to best understand and support my clients and when it was my role, to also protect the public from the potential harm presented by defendants or respondents with serious mental illness.

The Britney situation is sad. The Free Britney movement was a beast born of the social media age which will now observe Britney’s ‘freedom’ and have the opportunity to consider the role they played in bringing about whatever happens next. I have nothing but compassion for all the Spears family members who have been on a hellish ride for years and one that they can never get off - Britney included.

Get a life, seriously. It's frankly appalling that you are so emboldened by your faux-expertise, that is blatantly lopsided. I feel sorry for your clients since you clearly demonize anyone struggling with mental health.

DP and disagree with your comments re lopsided, demonizing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

1. She was heavily medicated and told it was required of her.
2. She couldn't see her kids unless she worked.
3. She had exorbitant child support to pay.
3. She had to fund her life and everyone feeding off her
5. She wasn't allowed to go out by herself and other privileges were granted on her condition of working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

This has been well documented. They threatened access to her kids. And they could make her life very miserable because it's also documented that she didn't have access to a phone, and couldn't take a tylenol without permission. At some level, to survive, you do what's being asked.

As opposed to all the access she has to her kids now that she is completely off the rails? It was sure terrible when she wasn’t able to post videos like she did on Instagram this past weekend. Given the current behavior she is exhibiting, I’m not exactly confident she is going to survive long either. So again, Free Britney supporter, what exactly was the point to freeing her from the structure that helped her maintain her mental health? You want to quibble about Jamie’s position and whether he should have been overseeing it, sure, but the conservatorship itself was obviously the only thing that allowed her to function somewhat normally.

Why isn't Kanye under conservatorship? He exhibits all the same chaotic behavior but he I guess having a penis gives you more rights to being a blight on society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who say Britney was "required to work" - how exactly does that work? It's not like she was physically dragged on stage and beaten with sticks to dance and sing. If she decided not to do it, how could they force her?

This has been well documented. They threatened access to her kids. And they could make her life very miserable because it's also documented that she didn't have access to a phone, and couldn't take a tylenol without permission. At some level, to survive, you do what's being asked.

As opposed to all the access she has to her kids now that she is completely off the rails? It was sure terrible when she wasn’t able to post videos like she did on Instagram this past weekend. Given the current behavior she is exhibiting, I’m not exactly confident she is going to survive long either. So again, Free Britney supporter, what exactly was the point to freeing her from the structure that helped her maintain her mental health? You want to quibble about Jamie’s position and whether he should have been overseeing it, sure, but the conservatorship itself was obviously the only thing that allowed her to function somewhat normally.

Why isn't Kanye under conservatorship? He exhibits all the same chaotic behavior but he I guess having a penis gives you more rights to being a blight on society.

This isn’t about Kanye, but it’s telling that you flipped the script to him instead of addressing the points.