professors are leaving florida - and turning down job offers in florida - because of desantis

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why U Florida is doing so well in the rankings then? Someone must want to teach there.

well, that's "today". Desantis' anti-education policy only just started. This will impact FL universities ability to attract talented professors for years to come, unless the people of FL vote in non-extremist governor who will allow academic institutions freedom to do what it does best, and for the governor to stay out of it.

+1 Republicans are really struggling with this concept.

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Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

There are traditional conservative professors everywhere, just not fascists or racists or delusional demagogues.

Like where exactly, and which department? Crickets, no doubt. We got it.

NP. I'll respond. Off the top of my head, in the DC area where DCUM is based, there is George Mason University, where the law school and economics department lean right/libertarian and where the Koch Brothers-funded Mercatus Institute is based. (You can read more about Koch funding at GMU [and other universities] and the involvement of the Federalist Society in funding and hiring decisions here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/koch-donors-george-mason.html). In addition, "GMU has a “green” rating from FIRE, the academic free-speech watchdog group, which means that “all members of the George Mason University community enjoy the right to freedom of speech and expression.”

CUA also leans right as well.

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Anonymous wrote:
Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

There are traditional conservative professors everywhere, just not fascists or racists or delusional demagogues.

Like where exactly, and which department? Crickets, no doubt. We got it.

NP. I'll respond. Off the top of my head, in the DC area where DCUM is based, there is George Mason University, where the law school and economics department lean right/libertarian and where the Koch Brothers-funded Mercatus Institute is based. (You can read more about Koch funding at GMU [and other universities] and the involvement of the Federalist Society in funding and hiring decisions here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/koch-donors-george-mason.html). In addition, "GMU has a “green” rating from FIRE, the academic free-speech watchdog group, which means that “all members of the George Mason University community enjoy the right to freedom of speech and expression.”

CUA also leans right as well.

Sure, just like Frances.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

There are traditional conservative professors everywhere, just not fascists or racists or delusional demagogues.

Like where exactly, and which department? Crickets, no doubt. We got it.

NP. I'll respond. Off the top of my head, in the DC area where DCUM is based, there is George Mason University, where the law school and economics department lean right/libertarian and where the Koch Brothers-funded Mercatus Institute is based. (You can read more about Koch funding at GMU [and other universities] and the involvement of the Federalist Society in funding and hiring decisions here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/koch-donors-george-mason.html). In addition, "GMU has a “green” rating from FIRE, the academic free-speech watchdog group, which means that “all members of the George Mason University community enjoy the right to freedom of speech and expression.”

Surely you understand Koch funding is no friend to maga.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

There are traditional conservative professors everywhere, just not fascists or racists or delusional demagogues.

Like where exactly, and which department? Crickets, no doubt. We got it.

NP. I'll respond. Off the top of my head, in the DC area where DCUM is based, there is George Mason University, where the law school and economics department lean right/libertarian and where the Koch Brothers-funded Mercatus Institute is based. (You can read more about Koch funding at GMU [and other universities] and the involvement of the Federalist Society in funding and hiring decisions here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/koch-donors-george-mason.html). In addition, "GMU has a “green” rating from FIRE, the academic free-speech watchdog group, which means that “all members of the George Mason University community enjoy the right to freedom of speech and expression.”

Surely you understand Koch funding is no friend to maga.

MAGA is right wing populism and Koch is right wing elitism. Their goals overlap in more than one place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

There are traditional conservative professors everywhere, just not fascists or racists or delusional demagogues.

Like where exactly, and which department? Crickets, no doubt. We got it.

NP. I'll respond. Off the top of my head, in the DC area where DCUM is based, there is George Mason University, where the law school and economics department lean right/libertarian and where the Koch Brothers-funded Mercatus Institute is based. (You can read more about Koch funding at GMU [and other universities] and the involvement of the Federalist Society in funding and hiring decisions here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/koch-donors-george-mason.html). In addition, "GMU has a “green” rating from FIRE, the academic free-speech watchdog group, which means that “all members of the George Mason University community enjoy the right to freedom of speech and expression.”

Surely you understand Koch funding is no friend to maga.

Surely you understand that they all need each other to retain power.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why U Florida is doing so well in the rankings then? Someone must want to teach there.

well, that's "today". Desantis' anti-education policy only just started. This will impact FL universities ability to attract talented professors for years to come, unless the people of FL vote in non-extremist governor who will allow academic institutions freedom to do what it does best, and for the governor to stay out of it.

No, the vast majority of Floridians reject the systemic indoctrination of their students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

Did you deliberately bypass the post right above yours that answered this question? Why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

There are traditional conservative professors everywhere, just not fascists or racists or delusional demagogues.

Like where exactly, and which department? Crickets, no doubt. We got it.

NP. I'll respond. Off the top of my head, in the DC area where DCUM is based, there is George Mason University, where the law school and economics department lean right/libertarian and where the Koch Brothers-funded Mercatus Institute is based. (You can read more about Koch funding at GMU [and other universities] and the involvement of the Federalist Society in funding and hiring decisions here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/koch-donors-george-mason.html). In addition, "GMU has a “green” rating from FIRE, the academic free-speech watchdog group, which means that “all members of the George Mason University community enjoy the right to freedom of speech and expression.”

Surely you understand Koch funding is no friend to maga.

You didn’t ask about MAGA, you asked about conservatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

There are traditional conservative professors everywhere, just not fascists or racists or delusional demagogues.

Like where exactly, and which department? Crickets, no doubt. We got it.

NP. I'll respond. Off the top of my head, in the DC area where DCUM is based, there is George Mason University, where the law school and economics department lean right/libertarian and where the Koch Brothers-funded Mercatus Institute is based. (You can read more about Koch funding at GMU [and other universities] and the involvement of the Federalist Society in funding and hiring decisions here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/koch-donors-george-mason.html). In addition, "GMU has a “green” rating from FIRE, the academic free-speech watchdog group, which means that “all members of the George Mason University community enjoy the right to freedom of speech and expression.”

CUA also leans right as well.

Sure, just like Frances.

There’s a CUA professor in my neighborhood who is Clarence Thomas level conservative. CUA has a lot of anti-abortion conservatives among its faculty and students. But you knew that.

Do you think Liberty University or BYU allow liberal faculty to promote their ideas on abortion and gay rights in the classroom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why U Florida is doing so well in the rankings then? Someone must want to teach there.

Florida was doing so well (in attracting top tier STEM profs). They went on a massive hiring spree. They started some excellent programs. Their rankings went up. The results of the new laws will take some time to show up. Maybe there’ll be no effect. But I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

There are traditional conservative professors everywhere, just not fascists or racists or delusional demagogues.

+100. My son is currently at GW and he says he has had several conservative professors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

There are traditional conservative professors everywhere, just not fascists or racists or delusional demagogues.

Like where exactly, and which department? Crickets, no doubt. We got it.

NP. I'll respond. Off the top of my head, in the DC area where DCUM is based, there is George Mason University, where the law school and economics department lean right/libertarian and where the Koch Brothers-funded Mercatus Institute is based. (You can read more about Koch funding at GMU [and other universities] and the involvement of the Federalist Society in funding and hiring decisions here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/koch-donors-george-mason.html). In addition, "GMU has a “green” rating from FIRE, the academic free-speech watchdog group, which means that “all members of the George Mason University community enjoy the right to freedom of speech and expression.”

CUA also leans right as well.

Sure, just like Frances.

There’s a CUA professor in my neighborhood who is Clarence Thomas level conservative. CUA has a lot of anti-abortion conservatives among its faculty and students. But you knew that.

Do you think Liberty University or BYU allow liberal faculty to promote their ideas on abortion and gay rights in the classroom?

No need to speculate. Thankfully most of us have access to the internet and can look these things up. FIRE (The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression) tracks free speech (or lack thereof) on college campuses and promotes free speech in K-12 education. They rate "the policies that regulate student expression at over 486 colleges and universities. Schools are rated annually as “green light,” “yellow light,” or “red light” institutions based on the extent to which they restrict free speech." You can look up colleges on their website (here: https://rankings.thefire.org/rank) and see how they rank. Regarding Liberty U and BYU, Liberty is not rated but BYU is on their list of Warning schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Woke professors teach WHAT to think.
Intelligent professors teach HOW to think.

Florida does not need schools or colleges to indoctrinate its students with radical garbage. We have enough of that across America right now. What exactly is their end game?

Conservative professor here. Actually, there is plenty of indoctrination and telling people what to think on both sides. I would not want to teach in Florida, either.

Where, PP, are you allowed conservative academic freedom today?

There are traditional conservative professors everywhere, just not fascists or racists or delusional demagogues.

+100. My son is currently at GW and he says he has had several conservative professors.

I went to Columbia Law and we had conservative professors. But not absolute nutjobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why U Florida is doing so well in the rankings then? Someone must want to teach there.

Florida was doing so well (in attracting top tier STEM profs). They went on a massive hiring spree. They started some excellent programs. Their rankings went up. The results of the new laws will take some time to show up. Maybe there’ll be no effect. But I doubt it.

It is very difficult to get jobs at UF that are not OPS (temporary) jobs. OPS workers try really hard to become permanent workers, i.e. tenured professors. You really have to know someone to get hired at UF. I was rejected because I did not have an Ivy degree. I was told that. I know professors at UF and don't see/hear of anyone leaving UF with the exception of some minority hires that are recruited away with big big money. Qualified African American coaches and professors are in big demand at southern colleges. I know one African American American coach who was recruited by a college in Mississippi three times. Each time she was offered big money. Each time she turned down the offer. The money was too big for the coach to turn down the offer the fourth time and the coach moved to Mississippi.

Professors and coaches that are leaving are leaving are leaving due to monies offered or better opportunities.