3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!

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Interesting thread over on the Jobs board:

“How many hours a week do you actually work?”

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/120/1132805.page

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.

How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.

most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!

Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.

Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.

Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.

Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.

Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.

I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.

Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.

+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.

Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.

Again, what are those generous benefits?

Let me guess. I bet they include (sarcasm alert)
* Fully paid healthcare for life
* You can retire after 20 years
/s

As far as I know, those are not benefits from FCPS. 😊

Right. That’s what I was saying.

+1. The benefits are way overhyped for newer hires, especially now that they switched to a crappy healthcare provider.

Most jurisdictions in our area offer Cigna. Teachers have two pensions, most people have none. Their salary needs to be calibrated against the days worked each year- not against everyone else’s salary as everyone else works all year.

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

LOL read DC MUM comments and you will begin to see what has burned good will of hard working teachers. We no longer care what you know it all parents think. Teacher and admin are exhausted by your endless complaints and critiques and don't get us started on your attitude about schools calling out your child's bad behavior-"not my child they are perfect it's the schools fault" get over yourself and go be a parent.

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

LOL read DC MUM comments and you will begin to see what has burned good will of hard working teachers. We no longer care what you know it all parents think. Teacher and admin are exhausted by your endless complaints and critiques and don't get us started on your attitude about schools calling out your child's bad behavior-"not my child they are perfect it's the schools fault" get over yourself and go be a parent.

if teaching stinks so badly, LEAVE. No one has you handcuffed to this job.

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

LOL read DC MUM comments and you will begin to see what has burned good will of hard working teachers. We no longer care what you know it all parents think. Teacher and admin are exhausted by your endless complaints and critiques and don't get us started on your attitude about schools calling out your child's bad behavior-"not my child they are perfect it's the schools fault" get over yourself and go be a parent.

No one wants teachers who rant and can’t even punctuate a simple sentence. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.

How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.

most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!

Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.

Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.

Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.

Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.

That's a strawman and you know it. None of the PPs callend teachers lazy. But this cantankerous whining and griping about how only teachers work hard and nobody else reflects a certain insularity from the real world. Why don't you try a private job for once and then tell us that teachers still work harder than ER nurses, fire fighters or long-haul truck drivers?

Another strawman… who on this thread said “only teachers work hard”? I certainly didn’t, nor has any other poster as far as I can tell.

I have had a private job. I transferred to teaching FROM it. I was able to eat lunch, visit the bathroom when I needed to, and I probably worked 25 of the 40 hours I was in the office. I’m heading back. I switched careers because I always wanted to teach, and then I learned it’s 3X (4X?) harder than anticipated.

Many of us are leaving. You can listen to us as we tell you the problems with the profession, or you can tell us to hush up. Only one of these options may fix things.

YUP! Gave my notice as well. And no one is hushing us-teachers are done being silent. Parents need to direct the nastiness at Gatehouse and get some changes....right now students and teachers are the ones suffering due to gatehouse turning a blind eye to really big problems in schools. Parents can have all their snarky little tantrums on DCum they want....if you care about your child's education this is not the place to make change. Teachers are not being heard...your turn go talk to the correct people! Teachers can't keep shouldering it all. The people in Gatehouse make good money to do a whole lot of nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.

How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.

most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!

Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.

Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.

Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.

Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.

Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.

I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.

Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.

+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.

Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.

One thing that’s frustrating about teaching is the need for repetition:

As I posted before,
I work 40 weeks a year at 60 hours a week:
2400 hours

A full-time (12 month) position at 40 hours a week:
2000 hours

I suppose you can say I work a 12 month position condensed into 10? And then an extra 400 hours on top of that?

I also have a summer job since I don’t get paid enough as a teacher, so I don’t actually have any long, luxurious vacation.

This isn’t a complaint, but you better believe I will correct misconceptions about my profession every time they come up.

And I still have seen nobody here say they’ll join our sinking ship. It’s as if you know it isn’t a good deal? (And I’m worth far more than your “robust” 120K above, a salary I’ll never see, not even if I have 25 years on and a PhD.)

Do you really believe that all of these other people in jobs with scheduled hours only work 40 hours/week? If so, you’re probably not fit to be teaching anyway, because you have no idea how the real world works.

I’ve been in the “real world.” I’m a career changer. I remember eating long lunches, sitting in a quiet office, taking short breaks when needed, and leaving with empty hands at the end of the day.

I don’t assume that defines your job, but I’m respectful enough not to assume.

Don’t make assumptions about mine. This thread is filled with assumptions about teachers and how good they have it. If that were truly the case, there wouldn’t be tons of threads on DCUM about the massive teaching exodus occurring right now. I wouldn’t be covering for 3 teachers who left mid-year because of stress and exhaustion.

The whining never ends!

I’m the PP. Please point out my “whining.” I see none.

Saying things you disagree with is not whining. Teachers are explaining what the job is like, specifically the long hours. You can listen, or you can infantilize us by saying our concerns are “whining.”

Only one choice is actually helpful. I’m guessing “helpful” isn’t what you’re going for?

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.

How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.

most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!

Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.

Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.

Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.

Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.

Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.

I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.

Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.

What is (now) that is stopping from being a teacher?

YES come join the party you've created in your head. So many spots to choose from

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

LOL read DC MUM comments and you will begin to see what has burned good will of hard working teachers. We no longer care what you know it all parents think. Teacher and admin are exhausted by your endless complaints and critiques and don't get us started on your attitude about schools calling out your child's bad behavior-"not my child they are perfect it's the schools fault" get over yourself and go be a parent.

if teaching stinks so badly, LEAVE. No one has you handcuffed to this job.

We are. Haven't you been paying attention?

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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

Teachers aren't just "whining" about being underpaid. It is a verifiable fact that we are. We aren't being entitled by asking to be paid the same as other, similarly educated professionals. https://www.epi.org/publication/teacher-pay-penalty-2022/

Since it sounds like you are a good, God fearing capitalist, you tell me what the solution to a labor shortage is. The fact is, teachers are leaving and no one is replacing them because the job sucks and the compensation isn't equal to the work. That's a free market at work, baby, not communism. You keep telling us how wrong we are, how entitled we are, how compensation doesn't matter and we are actually overpaid, that the job is easy, but none of that is stopping the exodus. The fact of the matter is, if the compensation really was adequate, or the job really was as easy as you say, you wouldn't have shortages. The only ones whining about this situation are people like you, angry teachers we are finally taking you up on the "if you don't like it, leave" offer.

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.

How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.

most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!

Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.

Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.

Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.

Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.

Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.

I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.

Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.

+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.

Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.

Again, what are those generous benefits?

Let me guess. I bet they include (sarcasm alert)
* Fully paid healthcare for life
* You can retire after 20 years
/s

As far as I know, those are not benefits from FCPS. 😊

Right. That’s what I was saying.

+1. The benefits are way overhyped for newer hires, especially now that they switched to a crappy healthcare provider.

Most jurisdictions in our area offer Cigna. Teachers have two pensions, most people have none. Their salary needs to be calibrated against the days worked each year- not against everyone else’s salary as everyone else works all year.

It’s only a pension that one can live off of after working 30-35 years as a teacher. FCPS has done a great job of making that unattainable as well. That’s why we all have 401k/403bs. There is not a real pension.

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.

How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.

most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!

Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.

Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.

Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.

Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.

Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.

I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.

Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.

+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.

Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.

Again, what are those generous benefits?

Let me guess. I bet they include (sarcasm alert)
* Fully paid healthcare for life
* You can retire after 20 years
/s

As far as I know, those are not benefits from FCPS. 😊

Seriously even the health benefits are crap this year

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Anonymous wrote:they only work 180 days a year, and 7 hours a day...........

7 hours is face time at school.
I put in another 3 h/day on average to prep for the next school day. All good teachers I know work 8-10 hour days

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

LOL read DC MUM comments and you will begin to see what has burned good will of hard working teachers. We no longer care what you know it all parents think. Teacher and admin are exhausted by your endless complaints and critiques and don't get us started on your attitude about schools calling out your child's bad behavior-"not my child they are perfect it's the schools fault" get over yourself and go be a parent.

No one wants teachers who rant and can’t even punctuate a simple sentence. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Aww your butt hurt because people are calling out your terrible parenting and entitlement

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

LOL read DC MUM comments and you will begin to see what has burned good will of hard working teachers. We no longer care what you know it all parents think. Teacher and admin are exhausted by your endless complaints and critiques and don't get us started on your attitude about schools calling out your child's bad behavior-"not my child they are perfect it's the schools fault" get over yourself and go be a parent.

if teaching stinks so badly, LEAVE. No one has you handcuffed to this job.

We are. Haven't you been paying attention?

Ok. Bye!