Do conservatives want to ban transgenderism for the same reasons they want to ban abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

Apparently. If we don’t support them performing double mastectomies on 13 year old girls and destroying youths’ bone health with misused drugs then we’re racist and would have supported Hitler. Airtight argument.

Cite a case of a 13 year old getting an elective double mastectomy.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all about enforcing gender roles where women are subservient to men. The genders must be clearly defined and men must control the relationship. Every iteration gets more abstract than the time before. First round is about women voting. Second round is about women having equal roles in society - owning property, having bank accounts, equal pay, etc. Third round is about accepting gay people into polite society. Now it’s politically unwise and socially unacceptable to fight those old battles directly. So you bash transgender people & indirectly try to push women back by taking away reproductive rights & making birth control harder to obtain.

Exactly, forcing women who are imprisoned to live with biological male sexual predators is truly helping women no longer be subservient to men.

Is this really happening?

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

Apparently. If we don’t support them performing double mastectomies on 13 year old girls and destroying youths’ bone health with misused drugs then we’re racist and would have supported Hitler. Airtight argument.

Cite a case of a 13 year old getting an elective double mastectomy.

Here you go: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2674039

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Anonymous wrote:We want to ban it because mutilating children is weird, depraved, evil.

This was the rallying cry when they banned gender affirming care in Indiana even though no transgender surgeries were being performed on minors in the state. That’s how you know legislators are lying about their motivations. They banned puberty blockers which some kids need & which reduce suicide and self-harm. But right-wing legislators only wanted to talk about nonexistent surgeries.

Puberty blockers are not approved by the FDA to treat gender dysphoria, their impact on brain development is largely unknown, they can unleash a host of side effects — the extent of most are not fully understood, yet they’re doled out like candy to thousands of children. Regardless of one’s views of gender identity, this approach is flat out wrong.

You sound like the COVID anti-vaxxers who were full of shit too.

In any case, the people pushing the legislation in Indiana weren't talking about the FDA -- it was all fearmongering about child mutilation.

So puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are entirely safe for minors?

Not providing them isn’t entirely safe. Sometimes the risks of not treating gender dysmorphia are greater than the risks of puberty blockers. Let kids and their parents with the advice of physicians weigh those choices.

Treating gd should start and end in a competent psychs office. It is not a medical condition

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all about enforcing gender roles where women are subservient to men. The genders must be clearly defined and men must control the relationship. Every iteration gets more abstract than the time before. First round is about women voting. Second round is about women having equal roles in society - owning property, having bank accounts, equal pay, etc. Third round is about accepting gay people into polite society. Now it’s politically unwise and socially unacceptable to fight those old battles directly. So you bash transgender people & indirectly try to push women back by taking away reproductive rights & making birth control harder to obtain.

Exactly, forcing women who are imprisoned to live with biological male sexual predators is truly helping women no longer be subservient to men.

Is this really happening?

Here you go: https://nypost.com/2022/04/25/transgender-rikers-inmate-gets-7-years-for-raping-female-prisoner/

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Anonymous wrote:Please. Surgeries are children are just not that common. Give me a break. Sure you can point to individual cases but this not wide spread and not done without parental consent. It just doesn’t happen and is a massive red herring.

Puberty blockers are certainly more common and I agree with PP, let’s study it in a way where we get good data and try to make the best decisions based on real knowledge and not fear. But we won’t. We’ll just ban everything and not seek actual knowledge.

Look, I personally dislike religious whackos. I don’t care what religion. I think they’re all incredibly dangerous, especially for children. Does that mean we should ban religion? Of course not. Instead - hear me out here, stay with me- parents should make these decisions for their children and I stay out of those decisions that aren’t my children. I just don’t get who the hell any of you think you are to think you have any say in other peoples children. Especially since kids are getting blown to bits on a daily basis and your party has nothing but thoughts and prayers. Yeah that’s effective. Praying… yeah right.

So surgery is happening? I thought it wasn’t happening on minors. Which is it? I’m confused.

Happens to baby boys all the time.

This thread is discussing so-called gender affirmation and surgical procedures on minors. You are saying it happens all of the time. I thought it didn’t happen at all?

Cons are all up in arms because supposedly children are being maimed through surgery to their genitals and they want to ban that. Baby boys get maimed all the time in this country with surgery to their genitalia. Do you disagree with that?

These baby boys who are circumcised are not permanently sterilized, nor given non-functioning “organs” that will require medical intervention for the rest of their lives, nor turned into enuchs with zero capacity for sexual function as adults.

But you knew that, right? So stop with the ridiculous comparison

There you go again with the obsession with fertility.

It’s not an obsession with fertility to point out that these boys will never have the ability to have sexual function or pleasure due to mutilating their sexual organs.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, I’d like to know why the Talmud lists 6 genders, but the Old Testament only has 2. A human made a choice to drop it from the Old Testament. I’d like to know when and why that happened if I’m supposed to accept that 2 genders is the Christian teaching.

Like many things, this may not be religious. They’re just using religion to manipulate people into accepting authoritarian-lite, as we march on toward authoritarianism.

This is fascinating! Cite the part of the Talmud that discusses 6 genders.

https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/196414?lang=bi

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Anonymous wrote:It's all political theater to get votes from the right wing conservative Christian base.

I’m not Christian. The PP is right. I speak from someone with experience, who has a kid groomed by an online therapist - my kid was just over 18.

They weren’t a kid and they weren’t groomed.

If the church went in and talked your child into being a Christian most here would be up in arms about it.

Not if my “child” were over 18.

Doesn’t make it better or worse by age. Ask any parent whose kid is on the spectrum to some degree. There is usually drugs involved as well, especially pot, and it’s really strong now.

What are you suggesting here? Parents have the rights to veto gender transition of their kids at any age?

Lol you have no legal control over your 25 year old. Sorry.

NP. 100% absolutely yes. It would never happen at my house.

The question was about kids, fool. Try to follow the conversation

You should try to follow it. It started with an earlier poster complaining that her 18+ year old child had been “groomed.” And when a poster asked if parents should be able to veto transition at “any age,” you replied yes.

If an 18 YO was groomed it most likely started in middle school. Or before

Not true. It was during Covid when online therapists from other states could hock their services across state lines.

I'm so old, I remember when selling health insurance across state lines was basically the Republicans' only solution to the lack of affordable health care.

Quite the reach

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Anonymous wrote:It's all political theater to get votes from the right wing conservative Christian base.

I’m not Christian. The PP is right. I speak from someone with experience, who has a kid groomed by an online therapist - my kid was just over 18.

Nice job parenting here if that’s true. Maybe look in the mirror on this.

People on the spectrum are quite vulnerable

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Anonymous wrote:Please. Surgeries are children are just not that common. Give me a break. Sure you can point to individual cases but this not wide spread and not done without parental consent. It just doesn’t happen and is a massive red herring.

Puberty blockers are certainly more common and I agree with PP, let’s study it in a way where we get good data and try to make the best decisions based on real knowledge and not fear. But we won’t. We’ll just ban everything and not seek actual knowledge.

Look, I personally dislike religious whackos. I don’t care what religion. I think they’re all incredibly dangerous, especially for children. Does that mean we should ban religion? Of course not. Instead - hear me out here, stay with me- parents should make these decisions for their children and I stay out of those decisions that aren’t my children. I just don’t get who the hell any of you think you are to think you have any say in other peoples children. Especially since kids are getting blown to bits on a daily basis and your party has nothing but thoughts and prayers. Yeah that’s effective. Praying… yeah right.

So surgery is happening? I thought it wasn’t happening on minors. Which is it? I’m confused.

Happens to baby boys all the time.

This thread is discussing so-called gender affirmation and surgical procedures on minors. You are saying it happens all of the time. I thought it didn’t happen at all?

Cons are all up in arms because supposedly children are being maimed through surgery to their genitals and they want to ban that. Baby boys get maimed all the time in this country with surgery to their genitalia. Do you disagree with that?

These baby boys who are circumcised are not permanently sterilized, nor given non-functioning “organs” that will require medical intervention for the rest of their lives, nor turned into enuchs with zero capacity for sexual function as adults.

But you knew that, right? So stop with the ridiculous comparison

There you go again with the obsession with fertility.

NP. Fertility is more important than any transvestite’s desire.

Not someone else’s fertility you creep.

Abortion & trans issue go hand in hand.

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It's just about control and policing the world. It's their "gift" to society. It's an outward judgment because they feel since they are one with God they are perfect inside already.

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Anonymous wrote:Please. Surgeries are children are just not that common. Give me a break. Sure you can point to individual cases but this not wide spread and not done without parental consent. It just doesn’t happen and is a massive red herring.

Puberty blockers are certainly more common and I agree with PP, let’s study it in a way where we get good data and try to make the best decisions based on real knowledge and not fear. But we won’t. We’ll just ban everything and not seek actual knowledge.

Look, I personally dislike religious whackos. I don’t care what religion. I think they’re all incredibly dangerous, especially for children. Does that mean we should ban religion? Of course not. Instead - hear me out here, stay with me- parents should make these decisions for their children and I stay out of those decisions that aren’t my children. I just don’t get who the hell any of you think you are to think you have any say in other peoples children. Especially since kids are getting blown to bits on a daily basis and your party has nothing but thoughts and prayers. Yeah that’s effective. Praying… yeah right.

So surgery is happening? I thought it wasn’t happening on minors. Which is it? I’m confused.

Happens to baby boys all the time.

This thread is discussing so-called gender affirmation and surgical procedures on minors. You are saying it happens all of the time. I thought it didn’t happen at all?

Cons are all up in arms because supposedly children are being maimed through surgery to their genitals and they want to ban that. Baby boys get maimed all the time in this country with surgery to their genitalia. Do you disagree with that?

These baby boys who are circumcised are not permanently sterilized, nor given non-functioning “organs” that will require medical intervention for the rest of their lives, nor turned into enuchs with zero capacity for sexual function as adults.

But you knew that, right? So stop with the ridiculous comparison

There you go again with the obsession with fertility.

NP. Fertility is more important than any transvestite’s desire.

Not someone else’s fertility you creep.

Abortion & trans issue go hand in hand.

Of course they go hand in hand. These people are obsessed with fertility (as shown). Once someone has had bottom surgery, they're sterilized. If you're sterilized, you cannot produce offspring. Think of all the babies that will never be produced by transsexuals! They ban abortion and want to ensure fertility. It's really disgusting how they believe they should be able to decide what others do with their own bodies. Both abortion and transgender medication and surgeries are bodily autonomy issues that the religious right think they should have control over.

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Jesse Singal published a ~40 page analysis of this study on Substack in April 2022. Very worth reading. TL;DR the study didn’t prove what it says it did.

Substack has pages?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a culture of fear. They are so afraid of everything, it’s very odd. It’s small minded and they have a stunning lack of empathy.

Agree. They are afraid of anything they perceive to be out of the norm.

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Anonymous wrote:We want to ban it because mutilating children is weird, depraved, evil.

This was the rallying cry when they banned gender affirming care in Indiana even though no transgender surgeries were being performed on minors in the state. That’s how you know legislators are lying about their motivations. They banned puberty blockers which some kids need & which reduce suicide and self-harm. But right-wing legislators only wanted to talk about nonexistent surgeries.

Puberty blockers are not approved by the FDA to treat gender dysphoria, their impact on brain development is largely unknown, they can unleash a host of side effects — the extent of most are not fully understood, yet they’re doled out like candy to thousands of children. Regardless of one’s views of gender identity, this approach is flat out wrong.

You sound like the COVID anti-vaxxers who were full of shit too.

In any case, the people pushing the legislation in Indiana weren't talking about the FDA -- it was all fearmongering about child mutilation.

So puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are entirely safe for minors?

Not providing them isn’t entirely safe. Sometimes the risks of not treating gender dysmorphia are greater than the risks of puberty blockers. Let kids and their parents with the advice of physicians weigh those choices.

Treated as OCD with the proper meds for OCD. It’s a form of OCD