Mcps High School need to start later

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Ok, but everyone is saying just send the HS kids to bed earlier, so why wouldn't you be able do that with your younger kids? My ES kids are in bed by 8 and typically wake up around 6:30am. Even if they are up later than typical it's still rare for them to sleep past 7.

It's biology. Take a baby, keep them in the same town on the same schedule for 20 years. Maintain healthy eating/sleeping/exercise/screentime habits and schedule .

That person will naturally get sleepy/wakey at later hours when they are a teenager.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Ok, but everyone is saying just send the HS kids to bed earlier, so why wouldn't you be able do that with your younger kids? My ES kids are in bed by 8 and typically wake up around 6:30am. Even if they are up later than typical it's still rare for them to sleep past 7.

It's biology. Take a baby, keep them in the same town on the same schedule for 20 years. Maintain healthy eating/sleeping/exercise/screentime habits and schedule .

That person will naturally get sleepy/wakey at later hours when they are a teenager.

Yes, it's biology that everyone needs to sleep, including younger children.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS wasted 12 million dollars researching this and moved high school up by 20min

That was already a waste. I had a 7:01am first period bell and played varsity sports after school and worked in the mall from 5-9pm 2-3x a week and did my homework and got up at 5:45am. I survived.

This coddling of teens is destroying them. Most don’t even work part time anymore. Most have tutors. Most complain of being overworked.

Take a look at those phone screen times. Hours upon hours of wasted time

It is your job as a parent to remove those phones from your children as soon as they are home from school. Homework done, chores done, dinner cleaned up. By then it's 9pm-10 and lights out!

When did parents stop parenting??

Do you have a kindergartner? Do you know anything about most high schoolers’ schedules?

Most kids 15+ are up until at least 11 because of their after school job, sports or homework.

And, if you move start times back, it will push them back to 12-1 AM.

And why would anyone bother with all this when people who want a later start time can just push their clock ahead 2 hours?

Exactly! This is a great solution. I mean everyone says time is relative anyway.

Brilliant. Yes set the clock for 2 hours. Problem solved!

[Anonymous]

It seems like the same poster brings the issue up every couple months. Not sure why they can't accept that it was resolved years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the same poster brings the issue up every couple months. Not sure why they can't accept that it was resolved years ago.

Because every new BoE can revisit anything they want. Past decisions aren't binding on current boards.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

1, sure. 2, though, just requires flipping HS and ES start times.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

1, sure. 2, though, just requires flipping HS and ES start times.

And put up with the gnashing teeth.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

There's also plenty of scientific evidence that older children in HS need to provide daycare for their younger sibilings.

[Anonymous]

Nobody does well in the early mornings, but we only have so many buses.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS wasted 12 million dollars researching this and moved high school up by 20min

That was already a waste. I had a 7:01am first period bell and played varsity sports after school and worked in the mall from 5-9pm 2-3x a week and did my homework and got up at 5:45am. I survived.

This coddling of teens is destroying them. Most don’t even work part time anymore. Most have tutors. Most complain of being overworked.

Take a look at those phone screen times. Hours upon hours of wasted time

It is your job as a parent to remove those phones from your children as soon as they are home from school. Homework done, chores done, dinner cleaned up. By then it's 9pm-10 and lights out!

When did parents stop parenting??

Do you have a kindergartner? Do you know anything about most high schoolers’ schedules?

Most kids 15+ are up until at least 11 because of their after school job, sports or homework.

And, if you move start times back, it will push them back to 12-1 AM.

And why would anyone bother with all this when people who want a later start time can just push their clock ahead 2 hours?

Sigh. Because it's really hard to push the sunrise or sunset around.

It really isn't. Time is relative. You should try it before knocking it.

Time is relative when you approach the speed of light. Around here, it's not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Sounds like you can understand why many people also need to have older siblings watch the younger ones.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, I do understand that. There are two issues here:

1. There's plenty of scientific evidence that teenagers, specifically, don't do well in the early mornings.
2. There is no feasible way for MCPS to adjust school start times to teenager biology as long as MCPS to transport over 100,000 students per day by school bus.

There's also plenty of scientific evidence that older children in HS need to provide daycare for their younger sibilings.

And yet somehow all those first kids got taken care of.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

Not everyone is able to drive. Not everyone has a car. Not everyone is available to drive. And the last thing we need is more cars on the road. So no, "You can drive them" is not a solution.

Do you have a car? You most likely do and you are the one complaining.