Mcps High School need to start later

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS wasted 12 million dollars researching this and moved high school up by 20min

That was already a waste. I had a 7:01am first period bell and played varsity sports after school and worked in the mall from 5-9pm 2-3x a week and did my homework and got up at 5:45am. I survived.

This coddling of teens is destroying them. Most don’t even work part time anymore. Most have tutors. Most complain of being overworked.

Take a look at those phone screen times. Hours upon hours of wasted time

It is your job as a parent to remove those phones from your children as soon as they are home from school. Homework done, chores done, dinner cleaned up. By then it's 9pm-10 and lights out!

When did parents stop parenting??

Do you have a kindergartner? Do you know anything about most high schoolers’ schedules?

Most kids 15+ are up until at least 11 because of their after school job, sports or homework.

And, if you move start times back, it will push them back to 12-1 AM.

And why would anyone bother with all this when people who want a later start time can just push their clock ahead 2 hours?

Exactly! This is a great solution. I mean everyone says time is relative anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS wasted 12 million dollars researching this and moved high school up by 20min

That was already a waste. I had a 7:01am first period bell and played varsity sports after school and worked in the mall from 5-9pm 2-3x a week and did my homework and got up at 5:45am. I survived.

This coddling of teens is destroying them. Most don’t even work part time anymore. Most have tutors. Most complain of being overworked.

Take a look at those phone screen times. Hours upon hours of wasted time

It is your job as a parent to remove those phones from your children as soon as they are home from school. Homework done, chores done, dinner cleaned up. By then it's 9pm-10 and lights out!

When did parents stop parenting??

Do you have a kindergartner? Do you know anything about most high schoolers’ schedules?

Most kids 15+ are up until at least 11 because of their after school job, sports or homework.

And, if you move start times back, it will push them back to 12-1 AM.

And why would anyone bother with all this when people who want a later start time can just push their clock ahead 2 hours?

Sigh. Because it's really hard to push the sunrise or sunset around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And why would anyone bother with all this when people who want a later start time can just push their clock ahead 2 hours?

Shame DCUM has so many science deniers.

Anonymous wrote:More and more research showing circadian rhythms shift later in adolescents. The can't effectively go to sleep as early as we'd like for an early school start. But keep denying science; it suits you.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36043490/

"It was shown that schoolchildren with [school start time] SST of 09:00 wake up at a later time on school days, sleep more, have less pronounced social jetlag and sleep loss, and higher academic performance than schoolchildren with SST of 08:00. As a result of logistic regression analysis, it was found that the frequency of the detection of food addiction is ~30% lower in schoolchildren with SST of 09:00 than in their peers with SST of 08:00."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15930216/

"The results of this study demonstrated that current high school start times contribute to sleep deprivation among adolescents. Consistent with a delay in circadian sleep phase, students performed better later in the day than in the early morning. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659022/

"Early school start times negatively affect sleep in adolescents as well, with poorer outcomes in their overall health, wellbeing, and performance."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26545246/

"School start times were delayed 25-60 min, and correspondingly, total sleep time increased from 25 to 77 min per weeknight. Some studies revealed reduced daytime sleepiness, depression, caffeine use, tardiness to class, and trouble staying awake. Overall, the evidence supports recent non-experimental study findings and calls for policy that advocates for delayed school start time to improve sleep."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS wasted 12 million dollars researching this and moved high school up by 20min

That was already a waste. I had a 7:01am first period bell and played varsity sports after school and worked in the mall from 5-9pm 2-3x a week and did my homework and got up at 5:45am. I survived.

This coddling of teens is destroying them. Most don’t even work part time anymore. Most have tutors. Most complain of being overworked.

Take a look at those phone screen times. Hours upon hours of wasted time

It is your job as a parent to remove those phones from your children as soon as they are home from school. Homework done, chores done, dinner cleaned up. By then it's 9pm-10 and lights out!

When did parents stop parenting??

Do you have a kindergartner? Do you know anything about most high schoolers’ schedules?

Most kids 15+ are up until at least 11 because of their after school job, sports or homework.

And, if you move start times back, it will push them back to 12-1 AM.

And why would anyone bother with all this when people who want a later start time can just push their clock ahead 2 hours?

Sigh. Because it's really hard to push the sunrise or sunset around.

It really isn't. Time is relative. You should try it before knocking it.

[Anonymous]

My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

How do you know they're thriving? Alternatively, they have the same problems with early start times, and the same unability/unwillingness to address the problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

Your kids must not be in any sports, music, volunteer or other activities. You need to grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Seriously. It's draining and exhausting.

Also, they act like American kids are precious snowflakes who can't be challenged to do a simple thing like go to bed on time and wake up on time.

Meanwhile, their counterparts in places like Japan, France and the UK go to high school from 8:30 am to as LATE as 4, 5 or 6 pm. Meanwhile, our kids go to school from 7:45 am to 2:30 pm and they're acting like they're being waterboarded. Grow up.

And in Germany, they go to high school from 8 am to 12:30 pm or 1 pm. So what?

It's one thing to say: early school start times are a problem, but there's currently no way for MCPS to solve the problem without creating even more problems.

It's a whole different thing to say: early school start times are not a problem. There is a mountain of evidence that they are a problem.

My point in posting the other global start and end times is that OTHER COUNTRIES also demand their students wake up "early" and in some cases, those kids have even LONGER school days than we do. And guess what? They're thriving and making it work with that system.

AGAIN, look around globally. Most school times start around 8 am. MCPS currently starts at 7:45 am. We are within the RANGE of normal. So what the hell are we fighting about? 15 freaking minutes?

If we had a 6 or 7 am start time (which btw, we used to have as my first period used to be at 7:15 am in the 90s), ok. I could concede your point. But most high schools globally start around 8 am. We are not some anomaly.

My high school kids gets on the school bus at 7:00 am. Which means that one of them gets up at 6:50, and the other one gets up at 5:30. Either way, it's before 7:45 am.

You can drive them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure. And for my kids an ES time of 9:25 start is not great for us as they get up at 6:30. Id much rather they start at 8. We should also have smaller schools to maximize walkers and minimize busses but the system is too big and noone is building small schools.

If your kids get up at 6:30am they aren’t sleeping enough. ES kids need 11-12 hours of sleep depending on age.

My K sleeps 12 and my 2nd sleeps 11 hours. I am not putting them to bed at 7pm - an hour after I get home to appease a bunch of whiny teenagers addicted to screens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure. And for my kids an ES time of 9:25 start is not great for us as they get up at 6:30. Id much rather they start at 8. We should also have smaller schools to maximize walkers and minimize busses but the system is too big and noone is building small schools.

If your kids get up at 6:30am they aren’t sleeping enough. ES kids need 11-12 hours of sleep depending on age.

My K sleeps 12 and my 2nd sleeps 11 hours. I am not putting them to bed at 7pm - an hour after I get home to appease a bunch of whiny teenagers addicted to screens.

Not all kids need 11-12 hours of sleep. Mine never did. And, most teenagers are not going to bed early. If your kids are getting 12 hours of sleep they are going to bed at 7:30 or so.

Wait till MS and HS when they are in activities, sports and more or will you refuse them because they need their sleep?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid in ES and MS also needs sleep. These people want to throw younger kids under the bus because it's more convenient for them makes no sense. The county already debated this and the matter is settled.

Ok, but everyone is saying just send the HS kids to bed earlier, so why wouldn't you be able do that with your younger kids? My ES kids are in bed by 8 and typically wake up around 6:30am. Even if they are up later than typical it's still rare for them to sleep past 7.