Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well

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Anonymous wrote:I can see why they are clinging to them.

It's a great way to weed out the nuts.

The risks to young males from repeat covid vaccinations are well-documented. Which is why much of Europe no longer vaccinates youth for covid. It is ironic that the US centers of higher learning are the holdouts in ignoring the scientific evidence with regard to this young cohort.

Actually repeated studies show that the risk of myocarditis is still significantly lower than the risk if you actually get covid. Odds are most who do not want the vax or to be boosted are not being careful and have likely had covid at least once if not multiple times. So it's not really the risk of myocarditis that you are worried about---if you were you would be more careful, mask when in public in indoor spaces, etc and do everything you can to prevent getting it. Doubt that is the case.

Honestly stfu. Scientific evidence is extremely weak in either direction. It’s a judgment call if a person esp a young person wants to get vaccinated/boosted, and it shouldn’t be forced or imposed as a condition for someone seeking an educational degree

No it's not a judgement call. Science is science. But the lack of education is apparently running high for you and your family.

I’ve got two Ivy League degrees but keep calling me stupid.

Anyone who says “science is science” with respect to a medical decision is a true moron.

And I have two degrees from two T10 universities. Obviously Ivy League produces morons

Please explain to me the “science” of forcing 18-22 year olds (and only them) to get booster shots. Everyone else in the US for the most part, including travelers into the US, has no such requirement. But if you are planning to attend certain colleges (and it’s almost random now which ones have the mandate and which do not) you must get boosted.

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Anonymous wrote:I can see why they are clinging to them.

It's a great way to weed out the nuts.

The risks to young males from repeat covid vaccinations are well-documented. Which is why much of Europe no longer vaccinates youth for covid. It is ironic that the US centers of higher learning are the holdouts in ignoring the scientific evidence with regard to this young cohort.

Actually repeated studies show that the risk of myocarditis is still significantly lower than the risk if you actually get covid. Odds are most who do not want the vax or to be boosted are not being careful and have likely had covid at least once if not multiple times. So it's not really the risk of myocarditis that you are worried about---if you were you would be more careful, mask when in public in indoor spaces, etc and do everything you can to prevent getting it. Doubt that is the case.

Honestly stfu. Scientific evidence is extremely weak in either direction. It’s a judgment call if a person esp a young person wants to get vaccinated/boosted, and it shouldn’t be forced or imposed as a condition for someone seeking an educational degree

No it's not a judgement call. Science is science. But the lack of education is apparently running high for you and your family.

I’ve got two Ivy League degrees but keep calling me stupid.

Anyone who says “science is science” with respect to a medical decision is a true moron.

And I have two degrees from two T10 universities. Obviously Ivy League produces morons

Please explain to me the “science” of forcing 18-22 year olds (and only them) to get booster shots. Everyone else in the US for the most part, including travelers into the US, has no such requirement. But if you are planning to attend certain colleges (and it’s almost random now which ones have the mandate and which do not) you must get boosted.

Not to mention that we have thousands of migrants coming over the border daily. Plenty of whom are not vaccinated.

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It is not about science it is about creating an obedient, rule following society.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not about science it is about creating an obedient, rule following society.

Or perhaps a twist on that, it’s the establishment left/administrative state making it known that they know best and everyone simply has to follow their commands. Kind of like how you beat someone up in prison on your first day. They want to cement the perception that they are the ultimate authority in American society. As well know, over time perception becomes reality. Colleges are really the institutions where the establishment left has the most dominance. So it’s no surprise they are the last to lift mandates

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I don't get what the big deal is with people opposed to getting the vaccine. Seriously, what is your problem?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with people opposed to getting the vaccine. Seriously, what is your problem?

We don’t think it makes sense or is prudent for our healthy teenage kids to be pumped up with boosters constantly on some arbitrary timeline set by a college administrator and we particularly don’t like the idea of being forced to do it in order to attend the college of our choice. Get it??

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with people opposed to getting the vaccine. Seriously, what is your problem?

The issue is with college kids. Many have had three and four doses already, as well as having had covid once or twice. That's a lot of doses/exposure for healthy kids who face almost no risk of serious outcomes from covid and are most susceptible to the small risks of myocarditis post-vaccine. However, even with all these prior doses/exposures, some colleges may now switch to requiring the bivalent given the change in the FDA's recommendations and it's unclear whether they might also require a combined covid/flu vaccine if it's released later in the fall. The way colleges have implemented these requirements is also odd. Some have required booster/bivalent for students but only recommended them for faculty and staff, even though covid risks rise with age.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with people opposed to getting the vaccine. Seriously, what is your problem?

The issue is with college kids. Many have had three and four doses already, as well as having had covid once or twice. That's a lot of doses/exposure for healthy kids who face almost no risk of serious outcomes from covid and are most susceptible to the small risks of myocarditis post-vaccine. However, even with all these prior doses/exposures, some colleges may now switch to requiring the bivalent given the change in the FDA's recommendations and it's unclear whether they might also require a combined covid/flu vaccine if it's released later in the fall. The way colleges have implemented these requirements is also odd. Some have required booster/bivalent for students but only recommended them for faculty and staff, even though covid risks rise with age.

We get flu shots every year. No big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with people opposed to getting the vaccine. Seriously, what is your problem?

We don’t think it makes sense or is prudent for our healthy teenage kids to be pumped up with boosters constantly on some arbitrary timeline set by a college administrator and we particularly don’t like the idea of being forced to do it in order to attend the college of our choice. Get it??

No, I don't. It seems like you just want to be contrarian over something that is no big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with people opposed to getting the vaccine. Seriously, what is your problem?

The issue is with college kids. Many have had three and four doses already, as well as having had covid once or twice. That's a lot of doses/exposure for healthy kids who face almost no risk of serious outcomes from covid and are most susceptible to the small risks of myocarditis post-vaccine. However, even with all these prior doses/exposures, some colleges may now switch to requiring the bivalent given the change in the FDA's recommendations and it's unclear whether they might also require a combined covid/flu vaccine if it's released later in the fall. The way colleges have implemented these requirements is also odd. Some have required booster/bivalent for students but only recommended them for faculty and staff, even though covid risks rise with age.

We get flu shots every year. No big deal.

Prior to covid, flu shots were generally recommended but not required. They also had a track record. mRNA vaccines are novel and as such, have no long-term profile.

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Anonymous wrote:I can see why they are clinging to them.

It's a great way to weed out the nuts.

The risks to young males from repeat covid vaccinations are well-documented. Which is why much of Europe no longer vaccinates youth for covid. It is ironic that the US centers of higher learning are the holdouts in ignoring the scientific evidence with regard to this young cohort.

Actually repeated studies show that the risk of myocarditis is still significantly lower than the risk if you actually get covid. Odds are most who do not want the vax or to be boosted are not being careful and have likely had covid at least once if not multiple times. So it's not really the risk of myocarditis that you are worried about---if you were you would be more careful, mask when in public in indoor spaces, etc and do everything you can to prevent getting it. Doubt that is the case.

For young males after the second dose, that is not the case. They face a higher risk after the second dose than they do from covid itself.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35993236/
"Associations were stronger in men younger than 40 years for all vaccines. In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test (97 [95% CI, 91–99] versus 16 [95% CI, 12–18])."

That is some world class cherry picking there.
The entire conclusion: Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.

Yes--if you are a young man, you are slightly more likely then women to get it after a second dose, but NOT more likely to get it then if you have had covid.

You are misreading the sentence. This sentence compares the risk of young men after the second booster with the risk of young men after covid. They find the risk is higher for the former. The sentence is not comparing men and women. Look at Table 4 to see the data.
"In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test".

NP here. Your sentence is about Moderna vaccine (mRNA-1273)

Another important point: In this study 0.007% of people (13 y/o+, male and female) experienced an event of myocarditis within 28 days of (any) vax. Of that number, "associations" were stronger in males under 40, in particular after the second dose of Moderna vaccine (mRNA-1273.)

Yes. But keep in mind, these studies skew toward inflating the incidence of post-covid myocarditis and and underestimating the incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis. The remarkable thing is that even with that skewing, the link was found for young males. Inflated incidence of post-covid myocarditis: These studies only look at recorded, diagnosed covid, excluding asymptomatic and untested symptomatic cases which inflates the incidence of post-covid myocarditis significantly since they are only looking at sicker covid patients. Some other studies even require the covid positive test to occur in a medical setting. Underestimated incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis: These studies only look for post-vaccine myocarditis within several weeks of vaccination. Thus, they miss any cases that emerge downstream from earlier undetected damage. That is important given studies showing a much higher incidence of mild and asymptomatic myocarditis post-vaccine than the figure above. One Thai study evaluated kids pre and post vaccine for cardiac markers. They found one confirmed case of myopericarditis out of 301 youths. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36006288/ That case resolved favorably but it points to a larger potential scope for impact than the figure above. Much of Europe has looked at the data and decided that the potential risks are high enough not to vaccinate youth for covid.

Your post is a lot of unrelated gibberish and most has nothing to do with the study you cited. I have neither the time nor interest in engaging with an unreasonable interlocutor.

Just going to leave this here for the people in the back - if you can follow.

The primary risk associated with the Covid vaccine is myocarditis. It is “exquisitely rare” in children.

As the vaccine has been rolled out across the world, some countries have reported that in a small number of cases, recipients developed myocarditis, that is, inflammation of the heart. According to the WHO, these cases occurred more often in men between 16 and 24 years old, after the second dose of the vaccine, and “typically within a few days after vaccination.” “The highest rate [of myocarditis] is in younger men, not the older boys,” Maldonado says. “It’s not a trivial number, but it’s on the order of a few dozen per million vaccinations.”

Anti-vaxxers have had a field day with the myocarditis talking point. But with millions of children vaccinated across the globe, the numbers don’t lie: For children in the 5-11 age group, the CDC estimates the rate of myocarditis is 2-4 cases per 1 million vaccinations. What’s more, “Over 90 percent of those confirmed cases were mild and recoverable,” Rubin says. “So it’s exquisitely rare to have a severe case of severe myocarditis induced by the vaccine.” In fact, in general, the risk of developing myocarditis as a result of the vaccine is actually lower than the risk of developing myocarditis as a result of getting Covid, according to the WHO.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/02/the-reason-sweden-isnt-vaccinating-kids-5-11-against-covid-explained/

NP here. First, that paragraph is about children 5-11. That's not who we're discussing. We're discussing college-aged young men. Second, children that age got the pediatric dose of the vaccine, which was 1/3 the dose that kids 12+ got. I don't see the point about discussing myocarditis in children unless you're hoping people won't notice that those numbers aren't actually relevant to the discussion. Seems either disingenuous or deceitful, unless you had a point to make that I'm not understanding.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with people opposed to getting the vaccine. Seriously, what is your problem?

The issue is with college kids. Many have had three and four doses already, as well as having had covid once or twice. That's a lot of doses/exposure for healthy kids who face almost no risk of serious outcomes from covid and are most susceptible to the small risks of myocarditis post-vaccine. However, even with all these prior doses/exposures, some colleges may now switch to requiring the bivalent given the change in the FDA's recommendations and it's unclear whether they might also require a combined covid/flu vaccine if it's released later in the fall. The way colleges have implemented these requirements is also odd. Some have required booster/bivalent for students but only recommended them for faculty and staff, even though covid risks rise with age.

We get flu shots every year. No big deal.

Covid shot is not the flu shot. Just as a haircut is not a heart transplant. The flu shot is simple, harmless and based on proven technology. The Covid shot is experimental with identifiable serious side effects and an injury profile. Just because both are “shots” doesn’t mean both are the same. I never woke up in the middle of the night in excruciating pain after getting a flu shot.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with people opposed to getting the vaccine. Seriously, what is your problem?

We don’t think it makes sense or is prudent for our healthy teenage kids to be pumped up with boosters constantly on some arbitrary timeline set by a college administrator and we particularly don’t like the idea of being forced to do it in order to attend the college of our choice. Get it??

No, I don't. It seems like you just want to be contrarian over something that is no big deal.

You must be a complete moron in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with people opposed to getting the vaccine. Seriously, what is your problem?

The issue is with college kids. Many have had three and four doses already, as well as having had covid once or twice. That's a lot of doses/exposure for healthy kids who face almost no risk of serious outcomes from covid and are most susceptible to the small risks of myocarditis post-vaccine. However, even with all these prior doses/exposures, some colleges may now switch to requiring the bivalent given the change in the FDA's recommendations and it's unclear whether they might also require a combined covid/flu vaccine if it's released later in the fall. The way colleges have implemented these requirements is also odd. Some have required booster/bivalent for students but only recommended them for faculty and staff, even though covid risks rise with age.

A lot of doses in such a small amount of time also!

Say two doses, plus two boosters, plus having had Covid once or twice in there.

We’re talking about young adults being exposed to this virus six times in 3 years or so? Are we sure that’s okay?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get what the big deal is with people opposed to getting the vaccine. Seriously, what is your problem?

The issue is with college kids. Many have had three and four doses already, as well as having had covid once or twice. That's a lot of doses/exposure for healthy kids who face almost no risk of serious outcomes from covid and are most susceptible to the small risks of myocarditis post-vaccine. However, even with all these prior doses/exposures, some colleges may now switch to requiring the bivalent given the change in the FDA's recommendations and it's unclear whether they might also require a combined covid/flu vaccine if it's released later in the fall. The way colleges have implemented these requirements is also odd. Some have required booster/bivalent for students but only recommended them for faculty and staff, even though covid risks rise with age.

A lot of doses in such a small amount of time also!

Say two doses, plus two boosters, plus having had Covid once or twice in there.

We’re talking about young adults being exposed to this virus six times in 3 years or so? Are we sure that’s okay?

The thing is, no one in charge actually cares. And to some extent the parents don’t even care - they just are afraid of being called MAGA or stupid. Pathetic