Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

Those vaccines prevent transmission, so I can see how they make sense in a densely populated setting like a college dorm.

The covid vaccine doesn't prevent transmission, and it makes almost zero difference on health outcomes for college students. There's no logic or reason behind requiring college students to get this vaccine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

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There's a difference between requirements when a large group of people are living together than just working somewhere. Colleges have long had stricter vaccine requirements of all sorts to avoid outbreaks that overwhelm their health services.

There is no threat of college health services being overwhelmed by college students getting covid. Every college student in the country could get covid tomorrow, and it wouldn't have a meaningful effect on public health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No indoctrinated people want to get boosters. Fact getting the vaccine and/or booster does not prevent COVID, so also will not prevent the effects of long COVID.

No one said it would prevent COVID....it mitigates the impact of getting COVID. It also mitigates the impacts of LONG COVID, should one contract it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

That's great, because no one will ban them from getting vaccinated if they want to.

There's no real reason to require vaccination of a group that is essentially at zero risk from covid, especially since the vaccine doesn't seem to have any effect on transmission.

This is patently false.

First, there is more risk of damage from COVID for the unvaccinated as compared to the vaccinated;
Second, there is risk to professors and classmates with health/co-morbidity issues if your kid spreads COVID in the classrooms or at parties.
Third, it does reduce transmission risk, but not to zero.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

That's great, because no one will ban them from getting vaccinated if they want to.

There's no real reason to require vaccination of a group that is essentially at zero risk from covid, especially since the vaccine doesn't seem to have any effect on transmission.

This is patently false.

First, there is more risk of damage from COVID for the unvaccinated as compared to the vaccinated;
Second, there is risk to professors and classmates with health/co-morbidity issues if your kid spreads COVID in the classrooms or at parties.
Third, it does reduce transmission risk, but not to zero.

1) The risk to healthy people of college age is essentially zero. The vaccine makes no meaningful difference, because the starting risk is so low.
2) The vaccine is available to higher-risk people. For them, getting the vaccine does make a meaningful difference, and they should get it.
3) The reduction to transmission is, at best, negligible. No one in public health is seriously making this argument anymore.

The vaccines are great for the elderly and high risk people, generally a good idea for medium risk people (such as the middle-aged), and of no real benefit to younger, healthy people. We shouldn't require people to inject themselves without good reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

That's great, because no one will ban them from getting vaccinated if they want to.

There's no real reason to require vaccination of a group that is essentially at zero risk from covid, especially since the vaccine doesn't seem to have any effect on transmission.

This is patently false.

First, there is more risk of damage from COVID for the unvaccinated as compared to the vaccinated;
Second, there is risk to professors and classmates with health/co-morbidity issues if your kid spreads COVID in the classrooms or at parties.
Third, it does reduce transmission risk, but not to zero.

1) The risk to healthy people of college age is essentially zero. The vaccine makes no meaningful difference, because the starting risk is so low.
2) The vaccine is available to higher-risk people. For them, getting the vaccine does make a meaningful difference, and they should get it.
3) The reduction to transmission is, at best, negligible. No one in public health is seriously making this argument anymore.

The vaccines are great for the elderly and high risk people, generally a good idea for medium risk people (such as the middle-aged), and of no real benefit to younger, healthy people. We shouldn't require people to inject themselves without good reason.

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It’s also unconscionable that the only place these mandates should live on would be in communities of typically healthy 18-22 year olds. They basically exist nowhere else but some college campuses at the moment. Beyond insane

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

That's great, because no one will ban them from getting vaccinated if they want to.

There's no real reason to require vaccination of a group that is essentially at zero risk from covid, especially since the vaccine doesn't seem to have any effect on transmission.

This is patently false.

First, there is more risk of damage from COVID for the unvaccinated as compared to the vaccinated;
Second, there is risk to professors and classmates with health/co-morbidity issues if your kid spreads COVID in the classrooms or at parties.
Third, it does reduce transmission risk, but not to zero.

1) The risk to healthy people of college age is essentially zero. The vaccine makes no meaningful difference, because the starting risk is so low.
2) The vaccine is available to higher-risk people. For them, getting the vaccine does make a meaningful difference, and they should get it.
3) The reduction to transmission is, at best, negligible. No one in public health is seriously making this argument anymore.

The vaccines are great for the elderly and high risk people, generally a good idea for medium risk people (such as the middle-aged), and of no real benefit to younger, healthy people. We shouldn't require people to inject themselves without good reason.

+1

It’s also unconscionable that the only place these mandates should live on would be in communities of typically healthy 18-22 year olds. They basically exist nowhere else but some college campuses at the moment. Beyond insane

There's a much, much stronger public health argument for imposing a vaccine mandate on people over 65.

People under 30 or so getting vaccinated or not made no real difference to the course of the pandemic, one way or the other.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

That's great, because no one will ban them from getting vaccinated if they want to.

There's no real reason to require vaccination of a group that is essentially at zero risk from covid, especially since the vaccine doesn't seem to have any effect on transmission.

This is patently false.

First, there is more risk of damage from COVID for the unvaccinated as compared to the vaccinated;
Second, there is risk to professors and classmates with health/co-morbidity issues if your kid spreads COVID in the classrooms or at parties.
Third, it does reduce transmission risk, but not to zero.

1) The risk to healthy people of college age is essentially zero. The vaccine makes no meaningful difference, because the starting risk is so low.
2) The vaccine is available to higher-risk people. For them, getting the vaccine does make a meaningful difference, and they should get it.
3) The reduction to transmission is, at best, negligible. No one in public health is seriously making this argument anymore.

The vaccines are great for the elderly and high risk people, generally a good idea for medium risk people (such as the middle-aged), and of no real benefit to younger, healthy people. We shouldn't require people to inject themselves without good reason.

+1

It’s also unconscionable that the only place these mandates should live on would be in communities of typically healthy 18-22 year olds. They basically exist nowhere else but some college campuses at the moment. Beyond insane

There's a much, much stronger public health argument for imposing a vaccine mandate on people over 65.

People under 30 or so getting vaccinated or not made no real difference to the course of the pandemic, one way or the other.

It’s so ludicrous to target college students with these mandates that it almost feels like it is being done to make a point. Like purely as an exercise of power and control.

[Anonymous]

Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

What good reason is there to keep vaccine mandates in place? What reason was there ever to impose them in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

Either do the shots, hence some people looking at jab #6.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

This. And if a few professors and staff die or become long term disabled, it's a win win for them.

Just wait until red state colleges start having outbreaks of meningitis and the measles because so many parents refused to get their little snowflakes vaccinated.

I am so thankful I no longer work in education and never plan to go back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

This. And if a few professors and staff die or become long term disabled, it's a win win for them.

Just wait until red state colleges start having outbreaks of meningitis and the measles because so many parents refused to get their little snowflakes vaccinated.

I am so thankful I no longer work in education and never plan to go back.

No one wants to ban professors and staff from getting vaccinated (or any student who wants to, for that matter).

Again, for those in the cheap seats, the vaccines do not prevent transmission in meaningful degree.

The rising distrust of vaccinations in general is the fault of public health authorities who lied to the public about the covid vaccines. They lost a lot of credibility during the pandemic.