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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can see why they are clinging to them.

It's a great way to weed out the nuts. 
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The risks to young males from repeat covid vaccinations are well-documented. Which is why much of Europe no longer vaccinates youth for covid. It is ironic that the US centers of higher learning are the holdouts in ignoring the scientific evidence with regard to this young cohort. [/quote]

Actually repeated studies show that the risk of myocarditis is still significantly lower than the risk if you actually get covid.  Odds are most who do not want the vax or to be boosted are not being careful and have likely had covid at least once if not multiple times.  So it's not really the risk of myocarditis that you are worried about---if you were you would be more careful, mask when in public in indoor spaces, etc and do everything you can to prevent getting it.  Doubt that is the case. [/quote]
For young males after the second dose, that is not the case. They face a higher risk after the second dose than they do from covid itself.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35993236/
"Associations were stronger in men younger than 40 years for all vaccines. In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test (97 [95% CI, 91–99] versus 16 [95% CI, 12–18])."[/quote]

That is some world class cherry picking there.
The entire conclusion:  Overall, t[b]he risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine.[/b] However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.

Yes--if you are a young man, you are slightly more likely then women to get it after a second dose, but NOT more likely to get it then if you have had covid.

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You are misreading the sentence. This sentence compares the risk of young men after the second booster with the risk of young men after covid. They find the risk is higher for the former. The sentence is not comparing men and women. Look at Table 4 to see the data. 
[b]"In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test".[/b][/quote]

NP here. Your sentence is about Moderna vaccine (mRNA-1273)

Another important point: In this study [b]0.007% of people[/b] (13 y/o+, male and female) [b]experienced an event of myocarditis [/b]within 28 days of (any) vax. Of that number, [b]"associations" [/b]were stronger in males under 40, in particular after the second dose of Moderna vaccine (mRNA-1273.)

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Yes. But keep in mind, these studies skew toward inflating the incidence of post-covid myocarditis and and underestimating the incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis. The remarkable thing is that even with that skewing, the link was found for young males. Inflated incidence of post-covid myocarditis: These studies only look at recorded, diagnosed covid, excluding asymptomatic and untested symptomatic cases which inflates the incidence of post-covid myocarditis significantly since they are only looking at sicker covid patients. Some other studies even require the covid positive test to occur in a medical setting. Underestimated incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis: These studies only look for post-vaccine myocarditis within several weeks of vaccination. Thus, they miss any cases that emerge downstream from earlier undetected damage. That is important given studies showing a much higher incidence of mild and asymptomatic myocarditis post-vaccine than the figure above. One Thai study evaluated kids pre and post vaccine for cardiac markers. They found one confirmed case of myopericarditis out of 301 youths. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36006288/ That case resolved favorably but it points to a larger potential scope for impact than the figure above. Much of Europe has looked at the data and decided that the potential risks are high enough not to vaccinate youth for covid.[/quote]

Your post is a lot of unrelated gibberish and most has nothing to do with the study you cited. I have neither the time nor interest in engaging with an unreasonable interlocutor.

Just going to leave this here for the people in the back - if you can follow.

[quote][b]The primary risk associated with the Covid vaccine is myocarditis. It is “exquisitely rare” in children.
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As the vaccine has been rolled out across the world, some countries have reported that in a small number of cases, recipients developed myocarditis, that is, inflammation of the heart. According to the WHO, these cases occurred more often in men between 16 and 24 years old, after the second dose of the vaccine, and “typically within a few days after vaccination.” “The highest rate [of myocarditis] is in younger men, not the older boys,” Maldonado says. “It’s not a trivial number, but it’s on the order of a few dozen per million vaccinations.”

[b]Anti-vaxxers have had a field day with the myocarditis talking point. But with millions of children vaccinated across the globe, the numbers don’t lie[/b]: For children in the 5-11 age group, the CDC estimates the rate of myocarditis is 2-4 cases per 1 million vaccinations. What’s more, “Over 90 percent of those confirmed cases were mild and recoverable,” Rubin says. “So it’s exquisitely rare to have a severe case of severe myocarditis induced by the vaccine.” [b]In fact, in general, the risk of developing myocarditis as a result of the vaccine is actually lower than the risk of developing myocarditis as a result of getting Covid, according to the WHO. 
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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/02/the-reason-sweden-isnt-vaccinating-kids-5-11-against-covid-explained/[/quote]

NP here.  First, that paragraph is about children 5-11.  That's not who we're discussing.  We're discussing college-aged young men.  Second, children that age got the pediatric dose of the vaccine, which was 1/3 the dose that kids 12+ got.   I don't see the point about discussing myocarditis in children unless you're hoping people won't notice that those numbers aren't actually relevant to the discussion.   Seems either disingenuous or deceitful, unless you had a point to make that I'm not understanding. [/quote]

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