Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

+1000
But with their attitude, it is likely their kid will have Long Covid sometime soon.

Fact is Covid is NOT always a minor thing for 18-30yo. My kid got covid in 2020 before vaccines, and to this day still has long covid issues. Fact is they still have health issues---previously healthy 24 yo can now only exercise for 15 mins before being completely exhausted (and that's a huge improvement in the last 2.5 years). Previously could play Basketball and other sports for 2-3 hours with friends.

DOn't like the rules, your kid is free to select somewhere else to attend. Plenty of schools in the Red states without any vaccine requirements, so select one there that suites your kids desires.
Nobody is forcing you to get a vaccine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

This. And if a few professors and staff die or become long term disabled, it's a win win for them.

Just wait until red state colleges start having outbreaks of meningitis and the measles because so many parents refused to get their little snowflakes vaccinated.

I am so thankful I no longer work in education and never plan to go back.

yeah, I lived thru the measles resurgence of 1989---was one of the first campuses with the outbreak. Once I discovered I "lived in same dorm and was in 2 classes" with patient zero I smartly decided I should get a MMR booster---I'm old enough to remember people telling stories about getting the measles---if you were 5-6 years older than me, you likely got them just like we all got the Chicken pox. Did not know the kid, but had most likely "crossed paths" with them and it seemed prudent to ensure I didn't get the measles. And yes, while Meningitis B was not required for any of my kids schools, I recognize how important it is, especially for kids living on a college campus so all of my kids got that vaccine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

+1
There's a difference between requirements when a large group of people are living together than just working somewhere. Colleges have long had stricter vaccine requirements of all sorts to avoid outbreaks that overwhelm their health services.

THIS

Anyone on this thread that can not see this is brain dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

+1000
But with their attitude, it is likely their kid will have Long Covid sometime soon.

Fact is Covid is NOT always a minor thing for 18-30yo. My kid got covid in 2020 before vaccines, and to this day still has long covid issues. Fact is they still have health issues---previously healthy 24 yo can now only exercise for 15 mins before being completely exhausted (and that's a huge improvement in the last 2.5 years). Previously could play Basketball and other sports for 2-3 hours with friends.

DOn't like the rules, your kid is free to select somewhere else to attend. Plenty of schools in the Red states without any vaccine requirements, so select one there that suites your kids desires.
Nobody is forcing you to get a vaccine.

My kid should be able to go to any college he chooses without being forced to take this injection. His choices should in no way be limited. Half the Ivy League has already dropped the mandate- this is no longer just a red state thing. Nobody is preventing any other kid from getting the vaccine if they believe it works.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

+1000
But with their attitude, it is likely their kid will have Long Covid sometime soon.

Fact is Covid is NOT always a minor thing for 18-30yo. My kid got covid in 2020 before vaccines, and to this day still has long covid issues. Fact is they still have health issues---previously healthy 24 yo can now only exercise for 15 mins before being completely exhausted (and that's a huge improvement in the last 2.5 years). Previously could play Basketball and other sports for 2-3 hours with friends.

DOn't like the rules, your kid is free to select somewhere else to attend. Plenty of schools in the Red states without any vaccine requirements, so select one there that suites your kids desires.
Nobody is forcing you to get a vaccine.

The colleges can impose the mandates, I suppose. And people can point out that there's no logic behind the mandate. The vaccines don't prevent transmission, so what's the point of requiring them, other than paternalism? Our universities are supposed to be more thoughtful and logical than that.

No one wants to prevent people from getting the vaccine. People like me just don't want to impose the covid vaccines on others, especially not healthy young people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

This. And if a few professors and staff die or become long term disabled, it's a win win for them.

Just wait until red state colleges start having outbreaks of meningitis and the measles because so many parents refused to get their little snowflakes vaccinated.

I am so thankful I no longer work in education and never plan to go back.

No one wants to ban professors and staff from getting vaccinated (or any student who wants to, for that matter).

Again, for those in the cheap seats, the vaccines do not prevent transmission in meaningful degree.

The rising distrust of vaccinations in general is the fault of public health authorities who lied to the public about the covid vaccines. They lost a lot of credibility during the pandemic.

Actually, it’s the fault of people like you working so very hard to disseminate anti-vax misinformation. No one lied about anything, and if you were remotely scientifically literate, you’d know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No indoctrinated people want to get boosters. Fact getting the vaccine and/or booster does not prevent COVID, so also will not prevent the effects of long COVID.

please don't tell me you hold a college degree with that nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

+1000
But with their attitude, it is likely their kid will have Long Covid sometime soon.

Fact is Covid is NOT always a minor thing for 18-30yo. My kid got covid in 2020 before vaccines, and to this day still has long covid issues. Fact is they still have health issues---previously healthy 24 yo can now only exercise for 15 mins before being completely exhausted (and that's a huge improvement in the last 2.5 years). Previously could play Basketball and other sports for 2-3 hours with friends.

DOn't like the rules, your kid is free to select somewhere else to attend. Plenty of schools in the Red states without any vaccine requirements, so select one there that suites your kids desires.
Nobody is forcing you to get a vaccine.

My kid should be able to go to any college he chooses without being forced to take this injection. His choices should in no way be limited. Half the Ivy League has already dropped the mandate- this is no longer just a red state thing. Nobody is preventing any other kid from getting the vaccine if they believe it works.

“I want freedom without responsibility!!! Who cares if me exercising my freedom limits others from exercising their freedom? It’s all about MEEEE!!!!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

I never had to show my vaccine card at the university I attended (public, California) in the 90s.

My oldest son started college in 2018, so before Covid. He did not have to show is vaccine card at his school either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

This. And if a few professors and staff die or become long term disabled, it's a win win for them.

Just wait until red state colleges start having outbreaks of meningitis and the measles because so many parents refused to get their little snowflakes vaccinated.

I am so thankful I no longer work in education and never plan to go back.

No one wants to ban professors and staff from getting vaccinated (or any student who wants to, for that matter).

Again, for those in the cheap seats, the vaccines do not prevent transmission in meaningful degree.

The rising distrust of vaccinations in general is the fault of public health authorities who lied to the public about the covid vaccines. They lost a lot of credibility during the pandemic.

Actually, it’s the fault of people like you working so very hard to disseminate anti-vax misinformation. No one lied about anything, and if you were remotely scientifically literate, you’d know that.

(Shrug) I probably got vaccinated before you did. For me, it was a good move based on the risk/reward analysis. The 25 year-old version of me didn't need to be vaccinated, however.

The public health authorities held back things like risk stratification by age in order to create fear in the population in general, and vastly overstated the efficacy of the vaccine's reduction in transmission, in order to sell vaccine mandates to the public. They knew that they were lying to the public, and they've gotten caught. Maybe you'll realize that someday, if you're honest with yourself that you fell for their lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about

Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.

The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.

+1000
But with their attitude, it is likely their kid will have Long Covid sometime soon.

Fact is Covid is NOT always a minor thing for 18-30yo. My kid got covid in 2020 before vaccines, and to this day still has long covid issues. Fact is they still have health issues---previously healthy 24 yo can now only exercise for 15 mins before being completely exhausted (and that's a huge improvement in the last 2.5 years). Previously could play Basketball and other sports for 2-3 hours with friends.

DOn't like the rules, your kid is free to select somewhere else to attend. Plenty of schools in the Red states without any vaccine requirements, so select one there that suites your kids desires.
Nobody is forcing you to get a vaccine.

My kid should be able to go to any college he chooses without being forced to take this injection. His choices should in no way be limited. Half the Ivy League has already dropped the mandate- this is no longer just a red state thing. Nobody is preventing any other kid from getting the vaccine if they believe it works.

“I want freedom without responsibility!!! Who cares if me exercising my freedom limits others from exercising their freedom? It’s all about MEEEE!!!!”

How does a 20 year-old not getting vaccinated harm anyone else's freedom?

Remember, again, that the vaccines don't reduce transmission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.

[Anonymous]

There should simply be no mandate. The vaccine does not prevent COVID but does lessen the severity. Boosters have helped some people with long COVID and made others feel worse. Studies out of the UK demonstrate that getting the vaccine for the good of the many does not make statistical sense on the individual level. The virus, has, as all viruses do mutated to be far less lethal.

Colleges that enforce a mandate do so at there own risk. The number of students leaving high school is shrinking and so will the number of colleges over the next decade. Will the mandate be a deal breaker for everyone, no - but for some/many it might be one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

I never had to show my vaccine card at the university I attended (public, California) in the 90s.

My oldest son started college in 2018, so before Covid. He did not have to show is vaccine card at his school either.

Every college or university that I have attended or worked at in the southeast required at least some vaccinations, particularly meningitis. We had an outbreak when I was in college, and two students died and many more became ill. After that, we all needed to have vaccinations and most of us wanted them. Usually they just ask you if you have them, and you don't have to "show a vaccine card" so people can lie if they are dishonest.

As a former educator, I have no interest in catching Covid from a student and potentially ending up with long Covid, which can even happen among vaccinated adults, especially people who are older or who already have health problems. Students living and working and partying in close quarters is a much different situation from going to work in an office building with other adults. I am vaccinated, but would rather not take a chance working in a college or university again.

But, I worked in Georgia, where I had to sign a "loyalty oath" to the State of Georgia if I wanted to accept a position there. Seriously. I am not kidding. And you people are complaining about a vaccine to reduce chances of serious infection?