Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
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Anonymous
No it's not a judgement call. Science is science. But the lack of education is apparently running high for you and your family. |
Anonymous
I followed what other countries were doing during the pandemic, and I kept settling back on Sweden as one of the few countries where the government and the people didn't go into full panic. The Swedes had a pandemic playbook they followed, and they came through the pandemic without locking down their country or destroying the educations of a generation of kids. They must have been looking at the rest of the world like it was crazy. Yeah, it's going to be tough to believe the CDC knows what it's doing going forward. |
Anonymous
NP here. Your sentence is about Moderna vaccine (mRNA-1273) Another important point: In this study 0.007% of people (13 y/o+, male and female) experienced an event of myocarditis within 28 days of (any) vax. Of that number, "associations" were stronger in males under 40, in particular after the second dose of Moderna vaccine (mRNA-1273.) |
Anonymous
Eh. Sweden has not done as well as you seem to think. In the early days, before vaccines, they had 10x the death rate of Norway and 4x the death rate of their other neighbors. Their relative success with keeping overall numbers under control can be attributed to their rapid vaccine rollout that had nearly 60% of the population vaxxed by March 2021. Data do not suggest that they did remarkably well economically (no economic boom and experienced a recession like everyone else) or with respect to education or pandemic-related mental health outcomes. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/30/opinion/sweden-pandemic-coronavirus.html |
Anonymous
| The mandates are flipping, one by one. Now 3/4 of the top 20 schools are not mandating for fall. Yale is the latest to give it up. |
Anonymous
+1 I was just at my 17-year-old son's well-check appointment. He got his meningocaccal vaccination as needed. When I asked about whether he should get a 4th dose of the covid vaccine, the doctor said that it was up to us, but that it was not necessary. Doctors are saying that it is not necessary for this age group! Enough with the vax mandates. |
Anonymous
I’ve got two Ivy League degrees but keep calling me stupid. Anyone who says “science is science” with respect to a medical decision is a true moron. |
Anonymous
Yes. But keep in mind, these studies skew toward inflating the incidence of post-covid myocarditis and and underestimating the incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis. The remarkable thing is that even with that skewing, the link was found for young males. Inflated incidence of post-covid myocarditis: These studies only look at recorded, diagnosed covid, excluding asymptomatic and untested symptomatic cases which inflates the incidence of post-covid myocarditis significantly since they are only looking at sicker covid patients. Some other studies even require the covid positive test to occur in a medical setting. Underestimated incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis: These studies only look for post-vaccine myocarditis within several weeks of vaccination. Thus, they miss any cases that emerge downstream from earlier undetected damage. That is important given studies showing a much higher incidence of mild and asymptomatic myocarditis post-vaccine than the figure above. One Thai study evaluated kids pre and post vaccine for cardiac markers. They found one confirmed case of myopericarditis out of 301 youths. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36006288/ That case resolved favorably but it points to a larger potential scope for impact than the figure above. Much of Europe has looked at the data and decided that the potential risks are high enough not to vaccinate youth for covid. |
Anonymous
The concept of "trust the science" goes against the underlying principles of science which are to question, debate, and explore. Remarkably, the public use of the phrase "trust the science" was amplified after Yale researchers conducted a study on how to use messaging to increase vaccine uptake and found the phrase "trust the science" was very effective in making the vaccinated think negatively of the unvaccinated. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34774363/ "In terms of judging non-vaccinators, the largest effects were for the Not Bravery and Trust in Science messages, with each effect also statistically distinguishable from the Baseline message. Notably, in this sample the Trust in Science message had large effects on beliefs and actions toward others but appeared ineffective in changing an individual’s own intended vaccination behavior." The concept of "trust the science" never made sense from a science perspective but makes a lot of sense when trying to shape public psyche. |
Anonymous
Thanks goodness. Better late than never, I guess. But still disturbing that it took SO long for colleges to do what is right. |
Anonymous
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Do colleges even enforce the mandates?
I work for a school district and at some point they started requiring a booster but I never submitted anything and no one asked |
Anonymous
They won't let students register for classes unless their booster documentation is on file. |
Anonymous
Your post is a lot of unrelated gibberish and most has nothing to do with the study you cited. I have neither the time nor interest in engaging with an unreasonable interlocutor. Just going to leave this here for the people in the back - if you can follow.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/02/the-reason-sweden-isnt-vaccinating-kids-5-11-against-covid-explained/ |
Anonymous
Mother Jones? This article is from early 2022 so the information on what European countries are doing now is incorrect. Contrary to the impression given in the article, omicron poses almost no risk to healthy young people. As for myocarditis, the comments above were straightforward and related to the article. The original study has the biases noted -- it only considers documented covid cases which inflates the incidence of post-covid myocarditis and it does not account for post-vaccine myocarditis after a month. This link provides a survey of the different studies that have been done looking at post-vaccine myocarditis. The more narrow the age bands in the study, the greater the incidence recorded, centered on young males. You or another PP like to cite all-age incidence of myocarditis which is not relevant to the question of college booster policies. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13947 "We found 28% (eight of 29) of studies utilised four stratifiers (Table 1) and Table 2. The incidence of myocarditis ranged from 8.1 to 39 cases per 100,000 persons (or doses) when four stratifiers were examined (Figure 1). All were in men under age 40 after dose 2 of an mRNA-based vaccine." The higher end of the post-vaccine myocarditis incidence in this survey is 1 in 3,000 cases in males aged 12-17. That might seem small but the risk of a serious outcome from omicron is even smaller for healthy youth. It is the trade-off between small risks and even smaller benefits which leads much of Europe not to vaccinate youth for covid. |
Anonymous
And I have two degrees from two T10 universities. Obviously Ivy League produces morons |