For those who have “cut other people off,” what did the person do to deserve it?

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Anonymous wrote:They invited my H’s childhood rapist to Xmas. Then said family is family and you can’t tell us who we can invite.

That is horrible! It's so hard for those of us who've been hurt, but try to stay in contact. Your dh's family essentially told him he doesn't matter. The sad thing is, if he cuts them out of his life, they'll say it's because he is effed up.

This is the sort of well-meaning but completely naive things people who aren’t from families like this say

When these people decided to include the child rapist in Christmas, they DID show that the victim doesn’t matter to them. Once you show that, there is no relationship to salvage. There is zero reason for the victim to stay in contact with people who don’t love him or show him the most baseline level of respect. And of course they will say the reason is that the victim is messed up - enablers are not people committed to seeking truth or responsibility. This is how abusive families work.

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Seems like that PP is an enabler.

Do you approach every argument in your life with delusional fantasies about the other person? Your parents must be exhausted. I bet they’re glad you’re out of the picture.

PP is encouraging the PP to stay in touch with family who chose a rapist over their own kid.

Nobody said that. You make everything up.

DP. Actually, PP said "That is horrible! It's so hard for those of us who've been hurt, but try to stay in contact. Your dh's family essentially told him he doesn't matter. The sad thing is, if he cuts them out of his life, they'll say it's because he is effed up." To me, the bolded reads as an encouragement to stay in contact (with family who chose a rapist over their own kid). But maybe the PP meant that she has been hurt but tries to stay in contact with family herself. Perhaps she was not encouraging at all. It is ambiguous.

No lies detected here, though. Just one take on an ambiguous sentence. I'm sure PP will accept your gracious apology for calling her a liar, though.

DP. It's very clear PP wasn't encouraging the poster to stay at all; she was just rueing the inevitable outcome.

There's a delusional drama queen lurking amongst us. Pp's can be excused for thinking that someone who deliberately misinterprets a post might be that same delusional flame-thrower.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't cut her off totally, but I've come close many times. My older sister is a toxic narcissist who takes any opportunity to dump her shit on me. I tried grey rock, which works but requires skill and consistency and always being on my guard. Covid was a great opportunity for me to establish new boundaries with her. I no longer attend family gatherings at her house, especially on days which are likely to be emotionally charged. Grey rock works well now, because I don't talk to her often and I come from a place of strength and resolve. Our conversations are actually somewhat pleasant.

Are you me?? This is me, too.

I’m proud of how I’ve kept contact but am grey rocking the heck out of the sibling. Sister said cruel things to me. Recently, I found my high school diary n which I detailed how sister physically attacked me and my dad held her back. I had forgotten that!

I’m very happy not to be in frequent touch and would have done this sooner had we not both had kids.

After years of sibling making a huge deal about birthday presents for me that never get delivered, I stopped buying any presents for her. I am free!! I don’t care about the presents but I do care about the lying about the presents.

Do we have the same sister? Mine sends our Christmas gifts 6 months late, including to my kids, her only nieces. I DGAF about the gifts but really hate the excuses every year. Clearly we are dead last on her list of priorities.

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Anonymous wrote:Cut a mentally ill IL off after they put a pillow over my infant child’s face “as a joke” and sent us feces in the mail, and then accused us of “not having a sense of humor.”

Oh my God. I am so sorry.

Thank you. Our family is constantly saying “she’s just trying to reach out to you, can’t you put all of that aside?”. So it’s legitimately nice to be validated by an internet stranger.

Another internet stranger here, PP, and I completely support your choice. That sounds awful.

Support from another internet stranger! I hear you.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't cut her off totally, but I've come close many times. My older sister is a toxic narcissist who takes any opportunity to dump her shit on me. I tried grey rock, which works but requires skill and consistency and always being on my guard. Covid was a great opportunity for me to establish new boundaries with her. I no longer attend family gatherings at her house, especially on days which are likely to be emotionally charged. Grey rock works well now, because I don't talk to her often and I come from a place of strength and resolve. Our conversations are actually somewhat pleasant.

Are you me?? This is me, too.

I’m proud of how I’ve kept contact but am grey rocking the heck out of the sibling. Sister said cruel things to me. Recently, I found my high school diary n which I detailed how sister physically attacked me and my dad held her back. I had forgotten that!

I’m very happy not to be in frequent touch and would have done this sooner had we not both had kids.

After years of sibling making a huge deal about birthday presents for me that never get delivered, I stopped buying any presents for her. I am free!! I don’t care about the presents but I do care about the lying about the presents.

Do we have the same sister? Mine sends our Christmas gifts 6 months late, including to my kids, her only nieces. I DGAF about the gifts but really hate the excuses every year. Clearly we are dead last on her list of priorities.

You must cut her off immediately and forever!

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds to me like a lot of people on here are seeking approval for lashing out at and participating in ganging up on others in their lives. Whether or not it’s deserved. But honestly a lot of the toxicity seems to stem from the posters here, not their targeted family member. Just an observation.

I completely agree. A lot of immaturity. In pediatric terms, there are a lot of adults posting here who are exhibiting a distinct Failure To Thrive (FTT). It is sad. And maddening. I don't understand all of the lashing out and the instigation. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to represent a large part of the population in real life. Just the few on DCUM who frequent the Family Relationships page. I often wonder if it is the same 2-3-4 people posting repeatedly.

Um, in "pediatric terms", failure to thrive is, quite literally, a growth disorder. Maybe you were hoping that posting it in capitals and initials would make it seem like something else, but it didn't work.

And here is the question I asked you/the other poster that was never answered:

Can you give some specific examples? Most of the posts I read are about posters finally deciding to distance themselves from abusive family members. Where is the "lashing out" and "ganging up on" happening? I have known mentally ill people to use aggressive terms like that when they were ignored, because due to their lack of skills and emotional regulation being ignored feels threatening and scary to them, but I haven't actually seen posters describing such aggressive acts.

DP - the one whose sister is dating a pedophile - I’m waiting for the answer to this question, too. Or am I just “immature” and “lashing out” because I don’t want my children around someone who has literally been arrested for possession of child pornography?

DP. Obviously pedophiles should be cut off. But you know very well that's not the problem here.

For example, on the "I called my mother 'unlikable' and cut her off" thread, where 2-3-4 posters are egging on the OP. A few other posters argued that name-calling wasn't a mature or productive approach and instead suggested that OP tell her mother calmly what's wrong and maybe work out a compromise about Thanksgiving etc. In other words, act like an adult. But they were shouted down.

The freaks in the Adult Children forum who can't contemplate that children could do anything wrong, so it must always be the parents' fault. For example, somebody (before you start, it wasn't me) started a thread about "my son blamed me to his therapist" and was met with a shrill chorus about how everything is always the parents' fault and the son shouldn't be expected to own his own choices.

That isn’t what people said on that thread.

Did your family cut you off because you change facts to fit your story? They got tired of the lies?

Sadly, your hyper-dramatic lies, accusations and DCUM telepathy are instantly recognizable. I see you found the Family Relationships forum.

Nope, my family and I had a great Thanksgiving, lots of love all around. Hope the same was true for you.

Several people disagree with you on every one of these threads that you twist to fit your narrative. Several. Not one, two, three or four.

DP

Just 2-3-4 hyper-dramatic aggrieved adult children (one or more of which may be a troll). Thank goodness.

You are absolutely obsessive about this. Go outside. Get therapy.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds to me like a lot of people on here are seeking approval for lashing out at and participating in ganging up on others in their lives. Whether or not it’s deserved. But honestly a lot of the toxicity seems to stem from the posters here, not their targeted family member. Just an observation.

I completely agree. A lot of immaturity. In pediatric terms, there are a lot of adults posting here who are exhibiting a distinct Failure To Thrive (FTT). It is sad. And maddening. I don't understand all of the lashing out and the instigation. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to represent a large part of the population in real life. Just the few on DCUM who frequent the Family Relationships page. I often wonder if it is the same 2-3-4 people posting repeatedly.

Um, in "pediatric terms", failure to thrive is, quite literally, a growth disorder. Maybe you were hoping that posting it in capitals and initials would make it seem like something else, but it didn't work.

And here is the question I asked you/the other poster that was never answered:

Can you give some specific examples? Most of the posts I read are about posters finally deciding to distance themselves from abusive family members. Where is the "lashing out" and "ganging up on" happening? I have known mentally ill people to use aggressive terms like that when they were ignored, because due to their lack of skills and emotional regulation being ignored feels threatening and scary to them, but I haven't actually seen posters describing such aggressive acts.

DP - the one whose sister is dating a pedophile - I’m waiting for the answer to this question, too. Or am I just “immature” and “lashing out” because I don’t want my children around someone who has literally been arrested for possession of child pornography?

DP. Obviously pedophiles should be cut off. But you know very well that's not the problem here.

For example, on the "I called my mother 'unlikable' and cut her off" thread, where 2-3-4 posters are egging on the OP. A few other posters argued that name-calling wasn't a mature or productive approach and instead suggested that OP tell her mother calmly what's wrong and maybe work out a compromise about Thanksgiving etc. In other words, act like an adult. But they were shouted down.

The freaks in the Adult Children forum who can't contemplate that children could do anything wrong, so it must always be the parents' fault. For example, somebody (before you start, it wasn't me) started a thread about "my son blamed me to his therapist" and was met with a shrill chorus about how everything is always the parents' fault and the son shouldn't be expected to own his own choices.

That isn’t what people said on that thread.

Did your family cut you off because you change facts to fit your story? They got tired of the lies?

Sadly, your hyper-dramatic lies, accusations and DCUM telepathy are instantly recognizable. I see you found the Family Relationships forum.

Nope, my family and I had a great Thanksgiving, lots of love all around. Hope the same was true for you.

Several people disagree with you on every one of these threads that you twist to fit your narrative. Several. Not one, two, three or four.
DP

PP does this on other forums too, not just this one. It's pathological.

Please get help. The fact that you're destroying threads with your obsessive narcissism is a minor problem. The real issue is your destructive alternative reality. .

Your compulsive need to respond to every post is indicative of a mental disorder. Disconnect from the internet for a while.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter?

If someone decides someone else brings turmoil and negativity to their life, that is enough- whatever their reason is.

I'm a firm believer of surrounding yourself with people you love, enjoy being around, and equally love and respect you.

Just because "family" doesn't mean you have to tolerate a relationship that makes you feel terrible.

You're missing the point. If someone else brings turmoil and negativity, you have a choice. You can cut them off, or you can set boundaries and try to compromise and work for change.

Why put that energy into it? Just because they’re family? What if they’re not worth it to you? Just because they’re family is not a good enough reason.

What cult convinced you of that? That’s what cults do. And abusers. They cut you off from your loved ones. This is classic cult thinking.

You’re actually insane. You have our pity.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter?

If someone decides someone else brings turmoil and negativity to their life, that is enough- whatever their reason is.

I'm a firm believer of surrounding yourself with people you love, enjoy being around, and equally love and respect you.

Just because "family" doesn't mean you have to tolerate a relationship that makes you feel terrible.

You're missing the point. If someone else brings turmoil and negativity, you have a choice. You can cut them off, or you can set boundaries and try to compromise and work for change.

Also there's an issue in defining "turmoil and negativity." Does mom's desire to spend Thanksgiving with the grandkids really fall into that bucket?

Each individual can define turmoil and negativity. That’s the beauty of it all.

And some individuals define the slightest offense or misunderstanding as “turmoil and negativity”. Just because they can define it themselves doesn’t mean they are right.

+100. Some of these stories are legitimately awful. Other times the poster sounds like a spoiled brat who didn't get their way (mom wants to come for Thanksgiving, the nerve!).

No one was cut off just because they wanted to come for thanksgiving.

Seriously. OMG, give it a rest. It's so embarrassing how you lie.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter?

If someone decides someone else brings turmoil and negativity to their life, that is enough- whatever their reason is.

I'm a firm believer of surrounding yourself with people you love, enjoy being around, and equally love and respect you.

Just because "family" doesn't mean you have to tolerate a relationship that makes you feel terrible.

You're missing the point. If someone else brings turmoil and negativity, you have a choice. You can cut them off, or you can set boundaries and try to compromise and work for change.

Also there's an issue in defining "turmoil and negativity." Does mom's desire to spend Thanksgiving with the grandkids really fall into that bucket?

Each individual can define turmoil and negativity. That’s the beauty of it all.

And some individuals define the slightest offense or misunderstanding as “turmoil and negativity”. Just because they can define it themselves doesn’t mean they are right.

+100. Some of these stories are legitimately awful. Other times the poster sounds like a spoiled brat who didn't get their way (mom wants to come for Thanksgiving, the nerve!).

No one was cut off just because they wanted to come for thanksgiving.

Seriously. OMG, give it a rest. It's so embarrassing how you lie.

DP. A number of posters thought that thread was ridiculous.

The same poster is posting these ridiculous lies about “cults” and lying that people “cut off grandparents because they wanted to come for thanksgiving.” No. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a minor argument with my mother that spun her into a crazy fit because she simply wouldn't admit she was at fault.

So, like a totally normal person she called my work and told them lies about me, tried to get me fired. then she called my in laws and did the same. Not gettig what she wanted she then moved onto my neighbors ,so I cut her off.

She never met two of my three kids and died alone after calling me from Hospice 3 days before dying begging me to visit. I didn't take the call.

When she died, I hadn't spoken with or seen her in 14 years.

Think about that when you're treating your kids like sh*t

You refused to take her call 3 days before her death and you think you’re the better person?

Cutting off someone is infinitely better than treating someone like sh1t.

Did you really not know that?

It’s been 14 years. Maybe she wanted to apologize, who knows. It could have been good for both of you. But you’ll never know, and all you have is this ongoing rage.

1) Mother was free to apologize by letter before she died.

2) I see no evidence that PP has "ongoing rage". She responded to a prompt in a factual manner. If it feels aggressive to you, consider why.

3) How long will it be before you make a post referencing "that brat who cut her mother off for one minor argument and refused to let her mother apologize 3 days before she died"?

4) I'm still waiting for my link to the alleged "I am cutting my mother off because she wants to come for Thanksgiving" thread.

You’re talking about multiple posters who think you’re insane/super-aggressive/narcissistic. Good luck with that.

No, she’s not. The “multiple posters” are all in your head. You’re not fooling anyone with a brain.

Pro tip: next time, try to vary your writing styles, sentence structure and word choices more.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter?

If someone decides someone else brings turmoil and negativity to their life, that is enough- whatever their reason is.

I'm a firm believer of surrounding yourself with people you love, enjoy being around, and equally love and respect you.

Just because "family" doesn't mean you have to tolerate a relationship that makes you feel terrible.

You're missing the point. If someone else brings turmoil and negativity, you have a choice. You can cut them off, or you can set boundaries and try to compromise and work for change.

Also there's an issue in defining "turmoil and negativity." Does mom's desire to spend Thanksgiving with the grandkids really fall into that bucket?

Each individual can define turmoil and negativity. That’s the beauty of it all.

And some individuals define the slightest offense or misunderstanding as “turmoil and negativity”. Just because they can define it themselves doesn’t mean they are right.

+100. Some of these stories are legitimately awful. Other times the poster sounds like a spoiled brat who didn't get their way (mom wants to come for Thanksgiving, the nerve!).

No one was cut off just because they wanted to come for thanksgiving.

Seriously. OMG, give it a rest. It's so embarrassing how you lie.

DP. A number of posters thought that thread was ridiculous.

The same poster is posting these ridiculous lies about “cults” and lying that people “cut off grandparents because they wanted to come for thanksgiving.” No. Sorry.

What is wrong with you? Why aren't you going after the poster who claims someone urged a poster to stay with her rapist? Drama much?

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Anonymous wrote:I had a minor argument with my mother that spun her into a crazy fit because she simply wouldn't admit she was at fault.

So, like a totally normal person she called my work and told them lies about me, tried to get me fired. then she called my in laws and did the same. Not gettig what she wanted she then moved onto my neighbors ,so I cut her off.

She never met two of my three kids and died alone after calling me from Hospice 3 days before dying begging me to visit. I didn't take the call.

When she died, I hadn't spoken with or seen her in 14 years.

Think about that when you're treating your kids like sh*t

You refused to take her call 3 days before her death and you think you’re the better person?

Cutting off someone is infinitely better than treating someone like sh1t.

Did you really not know that?

It’s been 14 years. Maybe she wanted to apologize, who knows. It could have been good for both of you. But you’ll never know, and all you have is this ongoing rage.

1) Mother was free to apologize by letter before she died.

2) I see no evidence that PP has "ongoing rage". She responded to a prompt in a factual manner. If it feels aggressive to you, consider why.

3) How long will it be before you make a post referencing "that brat who cut her mother off for one minor argument and refused to let her mother apologize 3 days before she died"?

4) I'm still waiting for my link to the alleged "I am cutting my mother off because she wants to come for Thanksgiving" thread.

You’re talking about multiple posters who think you’re insane/super-aggressive/narcissistic. Good luck with that.

No, she’s not. The “multiple posters” are all in your head. You’re not fooling anyone with a brain.

Pro tip: next time, try to vary your writing styles, sentence structure and word choices more.

You're delusional. End of story. I'm calling out your BS, but I'm not the only one. Too bad we sound alike, I guess.

Do you make up bizarre backstories about everybody you argue with? That's not exactly a recipe for healthy relationships.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds to me like a lot of people on here are seeking approval for lashing out at and participating in ganging up on others in their lives. Whether or not it’s deserved. But honestly a lot of the toxicity seems to stem from the posters here, not their targeted family member. Just an observation.

I completely agree. A lot of immaturity. In pediatric terms, there are a lot of adults posting here who are exhibiting a distinct Failure To Thrive (FTT). It is sad. And maddening. I don't understand all of the lashing out and the instigation. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to represent a large part of the population in real life. Just the few on DCUM who frequent the Family Relationships page. I often wonder if it is the same 2-3-4 people posting repeatedly.

Um, in "pediatric terms", failure to thrive is, quite literally, a growth disorder. Maybe you were hoping that posting it in capitals and initials would make it seem like something else, but it didn't work.

And here is the question I asked you/the other poster that was never answered:

Can you give some specific examples? Most of the posts I read are about posters finally deciding to distance themselves from abusive family members. Where is the "lashing out" and "ganging up on" happening? I have known mentally ill people to use aggressive terms like that when they were ignored, because due to their lack of skills and emotional regulation being ignored feels threatening and scary to them, but I haven't actually seen posters describing such aggressive acts.

DP - the one whose sister is dating a pedophile - I’m waiting for the answer to this question, too. Or am I just “immature” and “lashing out” because I don’t want my children around someone who has literally been arrested for possession of child pornography?

DP. Obviously pedophiles should be cut off. But you know very well that's not the problem here.

For example, on the "I called my mother 'unlikable' and cut her off" thread, where 2-3-4 posters are egging on the OP. A few other posters argued that name-calling wasn't a mature or productive approach and instead suggested that OP tell her mother calmly what's wrong and maybe work out a compromise about Thanksgiving etc. In other words, act like an adult. But they were shouted down.

The freaks in the Adult Children forum who can't contemplate that children could do anything wrong, so it must always be the parents' fault. For example, somebody (before you start, it wasn't me) started a thread about "my son blamed me to his therapist" and was met with a shrill chorus about how everything is always the parents' fault and the son shouldn't be expected to own his own choices.

That isn’t what people said on that thread.

Did your family cut you off because you change facts to fit your story? They got tired of the lies?

Sadly, your hyper-dramatic lies, accusations and DCUM telepathy are instantly recognizable. I see you found the Family Relationships forum.

Nope, my family and I had a great Thanksgiving, lots of love all around. Hope the same was true for you.

Several people disagree with you on every one of these threads that you twist to fit your narrative. Several. Not one, two, three or four.

DP

Just 2-3-4 hyper-dramatic aggrieved adult children (one or more of which may be a troll). Thank goodness.

You are absolutely obsessive about this. Go outside. Get therapy.

PP isn't the one who needs therapy. You people are nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't cut her off totally, but I've come close many times. My older sister is a toxic narcissist who takes any opportunity to dump her shit on me. I tried grey rock, which works but requires skill and consistency and always being on my guard. Covid was a great opportunity for me to establish new boundaries with her. I no longer attend family gatherings at her house, especially on days which are likely to be emotionally charged. Grey rock works well now, because I don't talk to her often and I come from a place of strength and resolve. Our conversations are actually somewhat pleasant.

Are you me?? This is me, too.

I’m proud of how I’ve kept contact but am grey rocking the heck out of the sibling. Sister said cruel things to me. Recently, I found my high school diary n which I detailed how sister physically attacked me and my dad held her back. I had forgotten that!

I’m very happy not to be in frequent touch and would have done this sooner had we not both had kids.

After years of sibling making a huge deal about birthday presents for me that never get delivered, I stopped buying any presents for her. I am free!! I don’t care about the presents but I do care about the lying about the presents.

Do we have the same sister? Mine sends our Christmas gifts 6 months late, including to my kids, her only nieces. I DGAF about the gifts but really hate the excuses every year. Clearly we are dead last on her list of priorities.

You must cut her off immediately and forever!

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I noticed you didn’t reference the physical abuse, sarcastic poster. You’re so cute.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't cut her off totally, but I've come close many times. My older sister is a toxic narcissist who takes any opportunity to dump her shit on me. I tried grey rock, which works but requires skill and consistency and always being on my guard. Covid was a great opportunity for me to establish new boundaries with her. I no longer attend family gatherings at her house, especially on days which are likely to be emotionally charged. Grey rock works well now, because I don't talk to her often and I come from a place of strength and resolve. Our conversations are actually somewhat pleasant.

Are you me?? This is me, too.

I’m proud of how I’ve kept contact but am grey rocking the heck out of the sibling. Sister said cruel things to me. Recently, I found my high school diary n which I detailed how sister physically attacked me and my dad held her back. I had forgotten that!

I’m very happy not to be in frequent touch and would have done this sooner had we not both had kids.

After years of sibling making a huge deal about birthday presents for me that never get delivered, I stopped buying any presents for her. I am free!! I don’t care about the presents but I do care about the lying about the presents.

Do we have the same sister? Mine sends our Christmas gifts 6 months late, including to my kids, her only nieces. I DGAF about the gifts but really hate the excuses every year. Clearly we are dead last on her list of priorities.

You must cut her off immediately and forever!

/s

I noticed you didn’t reference the physical abuse, sarcastic poster. You’re so cute.

What the what? PP is angry she gets Christmas gifts six months late. She made no mention of physical abuse.

We can only hope you find a new hobby ripping the wings off flies, and leave DCUM to do its own thing again.