Are conservatives boycotting Disney now?

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Anonymous wrote:Just, to say again: I don't understand what the Republicans are trying to get out of this. I guess some airtime on Fox - maybe that's reward enough? But what are they trying to extract from Disney, with this idiotic gambit?

I don't think many people are mad about internal emails sent to employees denouncing the education bill. Many parents are mad about the video with the producer bragging about adding queerness to children's programming. Disney had built up a lot of trust among parents for producing wholesome entertainment suitable for innocent children. I would imagine they want to send a message about that. I know people who have canceled Disney plus. I never subscribed but at friends' houses I've seen their new stuff and frankly it looks depressing. If I'm putting on a movie for my little children I want it to be joyful.

What programming is depressing? Encanto? Turning Red?

Bluey. They all have faux accents.

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Anonymous wrote:Just, to say again: I don't understand what the Republicans are trying to get out of this. I guess some airtime on Fox - maybe that's reward enough? But what are they trying to extract from Disney, with this idiotic gambit?

I don't think many people are mad about internal emails sent to employees denouncing the education bill. Many parents are mad about the video with the producer bragging about adding queerness to children's programming. Disney had built up a lot of trust among parents for producing wholesome entertainment suitable for innocent children. I would imagine they want to send a message about that. I know people who have canceled Disney plus. I never subscribed but at friends' houses I've seen their new stuff and frankly it looks depressing. If I'm putting on a movie for my little children I want it to be joyful.

What programming is depressing? Encanto? Turning Red?

Bluey. They all have faux accents.

Lol — that’s an Australian BBC show. Disney just owns the streaming rights.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s about time that Disney pay its fair share of taxes. I find it ironic that they have been getting away with this so long without a peep from the liberal elite. Oh well. Disney World was able to stay open and has moved corporate employees out of CA to FL. They need FL to survive. I hope Disney comes to its senses, sorry libs you are losing.

To the contrary, if DeSantis & company pull the rug out from the Reedy Creek Improvement District, taxpayers will need to pay $1 billion to cover the services that Disney now covers.

And that’s in addition to the $1 billion in bond debt the district currently holds.

Not to mention, it’s almost certain that Orange and Osceola Counties do not currently have the road maintenance crews, fire fighters, police officers, etc. needed to service that area. Currently, Disney has a security crew that provides some law enforcement, while leaving arrests and other matters to local authorities. The counties will have to cover all enforcement now.

Good luck with that!

It’s hard to see how this weird MAGA-pandering doesn’t come back to bite DeSantis. Just depends whether it is in time for the election. Nothing would mobilize voters in those two counties to go to the polls like a massive tax hike.

How likely is this to pass the FL House?

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

Do you honestly think Reedy Creek is responsible for the theme parks, water parks and sports complex? If those are actually in Reedy creek's name, then they can action them off and not worry about taxing anyone. Of course, they aren't. Disney will either subsidize them or deal with whatever the counties can offer. My guess is that Disney subsidizes the county rather than have revenue fall off a cliff because the county has decided that it doesn't need the same trash pickup frequency

No they will just demand the county pay for everything and fight any new taxes. If the county does not maintain the infrastructure Disney will sue them.

WTF? The county will be legally required to pay to maintain everything.

not to the level Disney requires

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Anonymous wrote:Just, to say again: I don't understand what the Republicans are trying to get out of this. I guess some airtime on Fox - maybe that's reward enough? But what are they trying to extract from Disney, with this idiotic gambit?

I don't think many people are mad about internal emails sent to employees denouncing the education bill. Many parents are mad about the video with the producer bragging about adding queerness to children's programming. Disney had built up a lot of trust among parents for producing wholesome entertainment suitable for innocent children. I would imagine they want to send a message about that. I know people who have canceled Disney plus. I never subscribed but at friends' houses I've seen their new stuff and frankly it looks depressing. If I'm putting on a movie for my little children I want it to be joyful.

What programming is depressing? Encanto? Turning Red?

Bluey. They all have faux accents.

Soul was depressing, great movie though

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Why doesn’t DeSantis start arresting gays…you know to protect the children?

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Anonymous wrote:Why doesn’t DeSantis start arresting gays…you know to protect the children?

We’re headed down that path…

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Anonymous wrote:Why doesn’t DeSantis start arresting gays…you know to protect the children?

We’re headed down that path…

Thomas dissented in Lawrence v Texas and he seems to be in the judicial mainstream of the current court

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Anonymous wrote:Why doesn’t DeSantis start arresting gays…you know to protect the children?

We’re headed down that path…

Thomas dissented in Lawrence v Texas and he seems to be in the judicial mainstream of the current court

The Right’s march toward authoritarianism is pretty sobering. The playbook is so obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

Do you honestly think Reedy Creek is responsible for the theme parks, water parks and sports complex? If those are actually in Reedy creek's name, then they can action them off and not worry about taxing anyone. Of course, they aren't. Disney will either subsidize them or deal with whatever the counties can offer. My guess is that Disney subsidizes the county rather than have revenue fall off a cliff because the county has decided that it doesn't need the same trash pickup frequency

No they will just demand the county pay for everything and fight any new taxes. If the county does not maintain the infrastructure Disney will sue them.

WTF? The county will be legally required to pay to maintain everything.

not to the level Disney requires

Disney doesn’t have the option to provide its own services to augment what the county would provide. So they’d basically be SOL.

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Anonymous wrote:Just, to say again: I don't understand what the Republicans are trying to get out of this. I guess some airtime on Fox - maybe that's reward enough? But what are they trying to extract from Disney, with this idiotic gambit?

I don't think many people are mad about internal emails sent to employees denouncing the education bill. Many parents are mad about the video with the producer bragging about adding queerness to children's programming. Disney had built up a lot of trust among parents for producing wholesome entertainment suitable for innocent children. I would imagine they want to send a message about that. I know people who have canceled Disney plus. I never subscribed but at friends' houses I've seen their new stuff and frankly it looks depressing. If I'm putting on a movie for my little children I want it to be joyful.

What programming is depressing? Encanto? Turning Red?

Bluey. They all have faux accents.

Soul was depressing, great movie though

Inside Out was depressing as well, but a terrific insight into emotions, IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:Just, to say again: I don't understand what the Republicans are trying to get out of this. I guess some airtime on Fox - maybe that's reward enough? But what are they trying to extract from Disney, with this idiotic gambit?

I don't think many people are mad about internal emails sent to employees denouncing the education bill. Many parents are mad about the video with the producer bragging about adding queerness to children's programming. Disney had built up a lot of trust among parents for producing wholesome entertainment suitable for innocent children. I would imagine they want to send a message about that. I know people who have canceled Disney plus. I never subscribed but at friends' houses I've seen their new stuff and frankly it looks depressing. If I'm putting on a movie for my little children I want it to be joyful.

Well there is already a lot of push back against the crazy right in the schools. Not many people agree with your world view.

Maybe if you left your woke echo chamber, you would see that "not many" people is actually 50% of this country.

You believe that 50% of the country opposes, for example, gay marriage? Care to supply a poll that supports that?

The issue isn’t about gay marriage. I suspect you know that. It’s about exposing children to topics around sex and gender ideology. Gay marriage is not a problem.

Since when has Disney been making sexually explicit programming?

We’ve seen the video of the executive at Disney who described herself as the parent of a pansexual child and a transgender child, who described a goal of having half the characters in the future be LBGQT+. Needing characters in children’s programming to have defined sexualities does not suggest a strong regard for “wholesomeness” or safeguarding.

Hunty - do you ever hear yourself? Hetero is a "defined sexuality." You obviously think of CisHet relationships as "normal" and all other combinations as bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

Do you honestly think Reedy Creek is responsible for the theme parks, water parks and sports complex? If those are actually in Reedy creek's name, then they can action them off and not worry about taxing anyone. Of course, they aren't. Disney will either subsidize them or deal with whatever the counties can offer. My guess is that Disney subsidizes the county rather than have revenue fall off a cliff because the county has decided that it doesn't need the same trash pickup frequency

No they will just demand the county pay for everything and fight any new taxes. If the county does not maintain the infrastructure Disney will sue them.

WTF? The county will be legally required to pay to maintain everything.

not to the level Disney requires

Disney doesn’t have the option to provide its own services to augment what the county would provide. So they’d basically be SOL.

Why can't they contract with the counties to do the work?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just, to say again: I don't understand what the Republicans are trying to get out of this. I guess some airtime on Fox - maybe that's reward enough? But what are they trying to extract from Disney, with this idiotic gambit?

I don't think many people are mad about internal emails sent to employees denouncing the education bill. Many parents are mad about the video with the producer bragging about adding queerness to children's programming. Disney had built up a lot of trust among parents for producing wholesome entertainment suitable for innocent children. I would imagine they want to send a message about that. I know people who have canceled Disney plus. I never subscribed but at friends' houses I've seen their new stuff and frankly it looks depressing. If I'm putting on a movie for my little children I want it to be joyful.

What programming is depressing? Encanto? Turning Red?

Bluey. They all have faux accents.

Soul was depressing, great movie though

Inside Out was depressing as well, but a terrific insight into emotions, IMO.

Being sad in a beautiful way that helps us relate to others is not depressing. Depressing movies have no hope.

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

Do you honestly think Reedy Creek is responsible for the theme parks, water parks and sports complex? If those are actually in Reedy creek's name, then they can action them off and not worry about taxing anyone. Of course, they aren't. Disney will either subsidize them or deal with whatever the counties can offer. My guess is that Disney subsidizes the county rather than have revenue fall off a cliff because the county has decided that it doesn't need the same trash pickup frequency

No they will just demand the county pay for everything and fight any new taxes. If the county does not maintain the infrastructure Disney will sue them.

WTF? The county will be legally required to pay to maintain everything.

not to the level Disney requires

Disney doesn’t have the option to provide its own services to augment what the county would provide. So they’d basically be SOL.

Why can't they contract with the counties to do the work?

Because that’s not allowed for essential services. That’s the entire point of making an improvement district — it allows you to partner with the local government to essentially share the burden. That’s how Disney currently does security within WDW, for example. Their security team provides some of the enforcement, while contracting with local government to handle arrests and matters that they cannot legally do themselves.