Are conservatives boycotting Disney now?

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

[Anonymous]

Orange County’s mayor certainly doesn’t seem to want it: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/04/20/orange-county-mayor-worried-reedy-creek-repeal-could-mean-cost-shifts-for-taxpayers/

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This is a very helpful article about the implications of this move for local taxpayers. Importantly, Reedy Creek operates at a loss of $5-10 million/year. It’s not a problem for Disney, since they just pay themselves the difference in theme park revenue, but that’s problematic for the counties, as they’d be taking on essentially a losing operation.

https://www.wftv.com/news/local/heres-what-dissolving-disneys-reedy-creek-could-mean-taxpayers/V2HN3MBIVFCP5EYZXT7UC4X4KA/

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

Do you honestly think Reedy Creek is responsible for the theme parks, water parks and sports complex? If those are actually in Reedy creek's name, then they can action them off and not worry about taxing anyone. Of course, they aren't. Disney will either subsidize them or deal with whatever the counties can offer. My guess is that Disney subsidizes the county rather than have revenue fall off a cliff because the county has decided that it doesn't need the same trash pickup frequency

[Anonymous]

OP, you said “conservatives” but important to note that this shot across the bow of the state’s largest employer is not at all conservative. Actual conservatives think this is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

Do you honestly think Reedy Creek is responsible for the theme parks, water parks and sports complex? If those are actually in Reedy creek's name, then they can action them off and not worry about taxing anyone. Of course, they aren't. Disney will either subsidize them or deal with whatever the counties can offer. My guess is that Disney subsidizes the county rather than have revenue fall off a cliff because the county has decided that it doesn't need the same trash pickup frequency

Of course Reedy Creek is responsible for all of that. That’s kind of the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

Do you honestly think Reedy Creek is responsible for the theme parks, water parks and sports complex? If those are actually in Reedy creek's name, then they can action them off and not worry about taxing anyone. Of course, they aren't. Disney will either subsidize them or deal with whatever the counties can offer. My guess is that Disney subsidizes the county rather than have revenue fall off a cliff because the county has decided that it doesn't need the same trash pickup frequency

Of course Reedy Creek is responsible for all of that. That’s kind of the point.

If Disney wants the quality of maintenance and services that they are used to then they will find a way to do it themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

Do you honestly think Reedy Creek is responsible for the theme parks, water parks and sports complex? If those are actually in Reedy creek's name, then they can action them off and not worry about taxing anyone. Of course, they aren't. Disney will either subsidize them or deal with whatever the counties can offer. My guess is that Disney subsidizes the county rather than have revenue fall off a cliff because the county has decided that it doesn't need the same trash pickup frequency

Of course Reedy Creek is responsible for all of that. That’s kind of the point.

If Disney wants the quality of maintenance and services that they are used to then they will find a way to do it themselves.

You don’t get it. They legally won’t be allowed to do it themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Just, to say again: I don't understand what the Republicans are trying to get out of this. I guess some airtime on Fox - maybe that's reward enough? But what are they trying to extract from Disney, with this idiotic gambit?

I don't think many people are mad about internal emails sent to employees denouncing the education bill. Many parents are mad about the video with the producer bragging about adding queerness to children's programming. Disney had built up a lot of trust among parents for producing wholesome entertainment suitable for innocent children. I would imagine they want to send a message about that. I know people who have canceled Disney plus. I never subscribed but at friends' houses I've seen their new stuff and frankly it looks depressing. If I'm putting on a movie for my little children I want it to be joyful.

Well there is already a lot of push back against the crazy right in the schools. Not many people agree with your world view.

Maybe if you left your woke echo chamber, you would see that "not many" people is actually 50% of this country.

Lol anti woke = hate of gays, using the n word, white supremacy and cancel culture. What time is the klan meeting?

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Anonymous wrote:Just, to say again: I don't understand what the Republicans are trying to get out of this. I guess some airtime on Fox - maybe that's reward enough? But what are they trying to extract from Disney, with this idiotic gambit?

I don't think many people are mad about internal emails sent to employees denouncing the education bill. Many parents are mad about the video with the producer bragging about adding queerness to children's programming. Disney had built up a lot of trust among parents for producing wholesome entertainment suitable for innocent children. I would imagine they want to send a message about that. I know people who have canceled Disney plus. I never subscribed but at friends' houses I've seen their new stuff and frankly it looks depressing. If I'm putting on a movie for my little children I want it to be joyful.

Well there is already a lot of push back against the crazy right in the schools. Not many people agree with your world view.

Maybe if you left your woke echo chamber, you would see that "not many" people is actually 50% of this country.

You believe that 50% of the country opposes, for example, gay marriage? Care to supply a poll that supports that?

The issue isn’t about gay marriage. I suspect you know that. It’s about exposing children to topics around sex and gender ideology. Gay marriage is not a problem.

Since when has Disney been making sexually explicit programming?

We’ve seen the video of the executive at Disney who described herself as the parent of a pansexual child and a transgender child, who described a goal of having half the characters in the future be LBGQT+. Needing characters in children’s programming to have defined sexualities does not suggest a strong regard for “wholesomeness” or safeguarding.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine hating gay people this much, that you're going to create the actual s***storm that this will create? It boggles my mind how much hatred is wrapped up in everything Desantis does.

Do you really think he actually hates gay people? Or is just a cynical bastard who sees political benefit in this? (Which is, in some ways, worse than actual hatred.)

Yes I do. You can't do this much harm to gay people without actually hating them or seeing them as less than.

Please clarify what you see as the harm being done to gay people.

You can't be this dense.

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

Do you honestly think Reedy Creek is responsible for the theme parks, water parks and sports complex? If those are actually in Reedy creek's name, then they can action them off and not worry about taxing anyone. Of course, they aren't. Disney will either subsidize them or deal with whatever the counties can offer. My guess is that Disney subsidizes the county rather than have revenue fall off a cliff because the county has decided that it doesn't need the same trash pickup frequency

No they will just demand the county pay for everything and fight any new taxes. If the county does not maintain the infrastructure Disney will sue them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just, to say again: I don't understand what the Republicans are trying to get out of this. I guess some airtime on Fox - maybe that's reward enough? But what are they trying to extract from Disney, with this idiotic gambit?

I don't think many people are mad about internal emails sent to employees denouncing the education bill. Many parents are mad about the video with the producer bragging about adding queerness to children's programming. Disney had built up a lot of trust among parents for producing wholesome entertainment suitable for innocent children. I would imagine they want to send a message about that. I know people who have canceled Disney plus. I never subscribed but at friends' houses I've seen their new stuff and frankly it looks depressing. If I'm putting on a movie for my little children I want it to be joyful.

Well there is already a lot of push back against the crazy right in the schools. Not many people agree with your world view.

Maybe if you left your woke echo chamber, you would see that "not many" people is actually 50% of this country.

You believe that 50% of the country opposes, for example, gay marriage? Care to supply a poll that supports that?

The issue isn’t about gay marriage. I suspect you know that. It’s about exposing children to topics around sex and gender ideology. Gay marriage is not a problem.

The issue is competely bogus since no schools "expose children to topics around sex and gender ideology." At least not at the age groups in question (K-3). There are age-appropriate conversations at older ages, of course, because, you know, gay people exist.

And the same people who are pushing this nonsense absolutely oppose gay marriage. They hate gay people. They are hateful, hateful people. The irony is they think they are so pious and yet it is they who will burn in the fiery pits of Hell.

Unfortunately that’s just not true. https://local12.com/amp/news/nation-world/first-grade-parents-shocked-by-transgender-book-read-to-class

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Anonymous wrote:Just, to say again: I don't understand what the Republicans are trying to get out of this. I guess some airtime on Fox - maybe that's reward enough? But what are they trying to extract from Disney, with this idiotic gambit?

I don't think many people are mad about internal emails sent to employees denouncing the education bill. Many parents are mad about the video with the producer bragging about adding queerness to children's programming. Disney had built up a lot of trust among parents for producing wholesome entertainment suitable for innocent children. I would imagine they want to send a message about that. I know people who have canceled Disney plus. I never subscribed but at friends' houses I've seen their new stuff and frankly it looks depressing. If I'm putting on a movie for my little children I want it to be joyful.

Well there is already a lot of push back against the crazy right in the schools. Not many people agree with your world view.

Maybe if you left your woke echo chamber, you would see that "not many" people is actually 50% of this country.

You believe that 50% of the country opposes, for example, gay marriage? Care to supply a poll that supports that?

The issue isn’t about gay marriage. I suspect you know that. It’s about exposing children to topics around sex and gender ideology. Gay marriage is not a problem.

Since when has Disney been making sexually explicit programming?

We’ve seen the video of the executive at Disney who described herself as the parent of a pansexual child and a transgender child, who described a goal of having half the characters in the future be LBGQT+. Needing characters in children’s programming to have defined sexualities does not suggest a strong regard for “wholesomeness” or safeguarding.

So what is Disney going to show the LBGQT kids having sex…like they do with the straight kids in their productions. You are a moron.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Orange County FL’s FY21-22 budget was about $5 billion. Osceola County’s was $1.6 billion. How the hell are they going to absorb $1 billion in bond debt from Reedy Creek?

They just absorbed billions worth of taxable land as well as billions in taxable revenue

What about “$1 billion in bond debt” do you not understand?

They also have to pay for essential services to that land (fire, water, trash collection, road maintenance, all enforcement).

I’m not sure what you mean by “billions in taxable revenue.” Disney pays taxes on what it generates.

The land has one of the most profitable theme parks in the world on it. That theme park can now be taxed. Reedy creek was already 'taxing' it to service the debt and to pay for services. Between the already existing tourist taxes and sales taxes, the counties will come out fine financially.

The theme park was being taxed already.

Now the counties will need to pay to provide services to all of that land. They will also need to pay to maintain all of the facilities that RCID currently pays for. According to the RCID website, that includes:

4 theme parks, 2 water parks, 1 sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory where the continuity of water quality is monitored, an electric power-generating & distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection & treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system, plus over 40,000 hotel rooms and 100’s of restaurants and retail stores.

Do you honestly think these counties have the resources to be able to maintain all of that?

Do you honestly think Reedy Creek is responsible for the theme parks, water parks and sports complex? If those are actually in Reedy creek's name, then they can action them off and not worry about taxing anyone. Of course, they aren't. Disney will either subsidize them or deal with whatever the counties can offer. My guess is that Disney subsidizes the county rather than have revenue fall off a cliff because the county has decided that it doesn't need the same trash pickup frequency

No they will just demand the county pay for everything and fight any new taxes. If the county does not maintain the infrastructure Disney will sue them.

WTF? The county will be legally required to pay to maintain everything.