Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act has passed!

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn't he signing it today? Is he on vacation at the beach?

I truly believe he isn't in charge anymore. The progressives initially refused to back down after ordered to on Friday in the House vote and they held out two weeks before when he was flying off to Europe.

Biden was quoting as wanting to sign the bill right after 11PM EST on Friday night when it passed Congress. He was persuaded to move the signing to Saturday afternoon with a press pool. That signing has now mysteriously moved to November 15th. Knowing every day of delay the money for projects and groundbreaking ceremonies for needed infrastructure is delayed as well.

Maybe he is putting pressure on Sinema Manchin to uphold agreement about the other bill?

He's definitely holding it out because the CBO deadline for the other bill is *coincidentally* Nov. 15th. The Squad probably blew up Ron Klain's phone on Saturday to get the signing moved. I hope it fails.

LOL, not going to happen. This infrastructure bill was the biggest lure, and now that it has passed the House, Biden has no choice but to sign it. If Biden vetos the bill, there will be even worse blowback for next year's elections. There is no more pressure for Manchin and Sinema to agree to anything on the BBB bill.

Wait why in the world would Biden veto this bill?!

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn't he signing it today? Is he on vacation at the beach?

I truly believe he isn't in charge anymore. The progressives initially refused to back down after ordered to on Friday in the House vote and they held out two weeks before when he was flying off to Europe.

Biden was quoting as wanting to sign the bill right after 11PM EST on Friday night when it passed Congress. He was persuaded to move the signing to Saturday afternoon with a press pool. That signing has now mysteriously moved to November 15th. Knowing every day of delay the money for projects and groundbreaking ceremonies for needed infrastructure is delayed as well.

Maybe he is putting pressure on Sinema Manchin to uphold agreement about the other bill?

He's definitely holding it out because the CBO deadline for the other bill is *coincidentally* Nov. 15th. The Squad probably blew up Ron Klain's phone on Saturday to get the signing moved. I hope it fails.

LOL, not going to happen. This infrastructure bill was the biggest lure, and now that it has passed the House, Biden has no choice but to sign it. If Biden vetos the bill, there will be even worse blowback for next year's elections. There is no more pressure for Manchin and Sinema to agree to anything on the BBB bill.

Wait why in the world would Biden veto this bill?!

The idea there is if the CBO doesn't score the BBB bill the way they want it, the progressives want Biden to veto infrastructure. He won't. But it'd be nice to just move on. They've been after BBB since April 2021.

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We can both understand how to do math - and understand Pelosi's job - and still find the squad's vote and behavior to be unacceptable.

Unless you're their constituent, it doesn't really matter what you find unacceptable.

I haven’t heard a whiff of anger, frustration or even awareness that 200 Republicans voted against infrastructure. Lots of group think going on here. Let’s think harder, people.

The difference is that I don't vote for Republicans because I know they are going to be obstructionist a-turds. I expect more from Democrats. I also expect Democrats not to undermine the party's own platform and achievements.

“Of course I know the GOP are just terrorists at this point!”

How did their vote undermine it when it didn’t change the outcome and Madam Speaker was okay with it?

I don't know. I'm not in some realpolitik alt universe. I'm just looking at some high profile "Democrats" who voted against getting clean water for Flint and better subway tunnels in NYC and I'm sure they feel very principled doing it but it sure looks sh***y to me. I'd be p*ssed if my Rep voted against a massive bill that was going to fix the roads and tunnels in my community. I'd be pretty effing pissed if I were a Virginia Democrat who'd have preferred not to have an R governor and might have gotten more votes for my guy if the Dems had passed this bill two weeks ago with all of the Dems in line. You tell me why I can't be irritated with the squad for their hopeless protest vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn't he signing it today? Is he on vacation at the beach?

I truly believe he isn't in charge anymore. The progressives initially refused to back down after ordered to on Friday in the House vote and they held out two weeks before when he was flying off to Europe.

Biden was quoting as wanting to sign the bill right after 11PM EST on Friday night when it passed Congress. He was persuaded to move the signing to Saturday afternoon with a press pool. That signing has now mysteriously moved to November 15th. Knowing every day of delay the money for projects and groundbreaking ceremonies for needed infrastructure is delayed as well.

Maybe he is putting pressure on Sinema Manchin to uphold agreement about the other bill?

He's definitely holding it out because the CBO deadline for the other bill is *coincidentally* Nov. 15th. The Squad probably blew up Ron Klain's phone on Saturday to get the signing moved. I hope it fails.

LOL, not going to happen. This infrastructure bill was the biggest lure, and now that it has passed the House, Biden has no choice but to sign it. If Biden vetos the bill, there will be even worse blowback for next year's elections. There is no more pressure for Manchin and Sinema to agree to anything on the BBB bill.

Wait why in the world would Biden veto this bill?!

The idea there is if the CBO doesn't score the BBB bill the way they want it, the progressives want Biden to veto infrastructure. He won't. But it'd be nice to just move on. They've been after BBB since April 2021.

Seems like the progressives played their hand not voting for infrastructure. Can't see what there is to try to get out of them now - or what reason in all the world there would be to cater to any of their demands about this big popular bill that just passed.

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn't he signing it today? Is he on vacation at the beach?

I truly believe he isn't in charge anymore. The progressives initially refused to back down after ordered to on Friday in the House vote and they held out two weeks before when he was flying off to Europe.

Biden was quoting as wanting to sign the bill right after 11PM EST on Friday night when it passed Congress. He was persuaded to move the signing to Saturday afternoon with a press pool. That signing has now mysteriously moved to November 15th. Knowing every day of delay the money for projects and groundbreaking ceremonies for needed infrastructure is delayed as well.

Maybe he is putting pressure on Sinema Manchin to uphold agreement about the other bill?

He's definitely holding it out because the CBO deadline for the other bill is *coincidentally* Nov. 15th. The Squad probably blew up Ron Klain's phone on Saturday to get the signing moved. I hope it fails.

LOL, not going to happen. This infrastructure bill was the biggest lure, and now that it has passed the House, Biden has no choice but to sign it. If Biden vetos the bill, there will be even worse blowback for next year's elections. There is no more pressure for Manchin and Sinema to agree to anything on the BBB bill.

Wait why in the world would Biden veto this bill?!

The idea there is if the CBO doesn't score the BBB bill the way they want it, the progressives want Biden to veto infrastructure. He won't. But it'd be nice to just move on. They've been after BBB since April 2021.

Seems like the progressives played their hand not voting for infrastructure. Can't see what there is to try to get out of them now - or what reason in all the world there would be to cater to any of their demands about this big popular bill that just passed.

We're on the same wave length. Just waiting for the networks to catch up. Have the feeling they'll drag this out until December with temper tantrums. Will be over once New Years rings in.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a lot more respect for the 13 Republicans that I do those 6 Democrats.

I don’t. I don’t respect Republicans at all. Those six were carefully counted and they did send a message with their vote. It passed. We’re fine.

Exactly. The ignorance of the people on this site is way too deep to understand. Those Ds voted no bc they could…Pelosi knew she had the votes. She’s one of the most badass effective Speakers this country has ever seen and so she knew she could get it done and let people in her party send the message they wanted to. It was all perfect.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a lot more respect for the 13 Republicans that I do those 6 Democrats.

I don’t. I don’t respect Republicans at all. Those six were carefully counted and they did send a message with their vote. It passed. We’re fine.

Exactly. The ignorance of the people on this site is way too deep to understand. Those Ds voted no bc they could…Pelosi knew she had the votes. She’s one of the most badass effective Speakers this country has ever seen and so she knew she could get it done and let people in her party send the message they wanted to. It was all perfect.

What message did they want to send to their constituents?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a lot more respect for the 13 Republicans that I do those 6 Democrats.

I don’t. I don’t respect Republicans at all. Those six were carefully counted and they did send a message with their vote. It passed. We’re fine.

Exactly. The ignorance of the people on this site is way too deep to understand. Those Ds voted no bc they could…Pelosi knew she had the votes. She’s one of the most badass effective Speakers this country has ever seen and so she knew she could get it done and let people in her party send the message they wanted to. It was all perfect.

What message did they want to send to their constituents?

They sent a message to everyone: they'd rather Flint not get clean water if they don't also get the bill they want

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Anonymous wrote:I have a lot more respect for the 13 Republicans that I do those 6 Democrats.

I don’t. I don’t respect Republicans at all. Those six were carefully counted and they did send a message with their vote. It passed. We’re fine.

Exactly. The ignorance of the people on this site is way too deep to understand. Those Ds voted no bc they could…Pelosi knew she had the votes. She’s one of the most badass effective Speakers this country has ever seen and so she knew she could get it done and let people in her party send the message they wanted to. It was all perfect.

LOL yes she got it done. After some choice words over the past week-and-a-half and no thanks to the Squad. Pelosi was pissed off on October 28th. For good reason.

Just because the end result was preferable, doesn't mean it wasn't a struggle to get there and it shouldn't have been. This bill should have been passed months ago.

That cautious approach eventually created friction at the highest levels of the party. After Biden visited Capitol Hill last Thursday, Pelosi and her team grew livid that he hadn’t seized the moment to ask House Democrats to immediately vote on infrastructure, according to multiple people with knowledge of the situation. They made it known to the White House that they were unhappy, one of the people said.

Pelosi leaving a meeting with the CPC after they refused to back the vote on the 28th pre-Virginia election

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Anonymous wrote:I have a lot more respect for the 13 Republicans that I do those 6 Democrats.

I don’t. I don’t respect Republicans at all. Those six were carefully counted and they did send a message with their vote. It passed. We’re fine.

Exactly. The ignorance of the people on this site is way too deep to understand. Those Ds voted no bc they could…Pelosi knew she had the votes. She’s one of the most badass effective Speakers this country has ever seen and so she knew she could get it done and let people in her party send the message they wanted to. It was all perfect.

What message did they want to send to their constituents?

They sent a message to everyone: they'd rather Flint not get clean water if they don't also get the bill they want

So we are talking 5th grade sleepover politics then? Uhm.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a lot more respect for the 13 Republicans that I do those 6 Democrats.

I don’t. I don’t respect Republicans at all. Those six were carefully counted and they did send a message with their vote. It passed. We’re fine.

Exactly. The ignorance of the people on this site is way too deep to understand. Those Ds voted no bc they could…Pelosi knew she had the votes. She’s one of the most badass effective Speakers this country has ever seen and so she knew she could get it done and let people in her party send the message they wanted to. It was all perfect.

What message did they want to send to their constituents?

They sent a message to everyone: they'd rather Flint not get clean water if they don't also get the bill they want

So we are talking 5th grade sleepover politics then? Uhm.

I don't know what you mean. Maybe I'm just not sophisticated enough to see how their down vote was actually six dimensional chess here.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a lot more respect for the 13 Republicans that I do those 6 Democrats.

I don’t. I don’t respect Republicans at all. Those six were carefully counted and they did send a message with their vote. It passed. We’re fine.

Exactly. The ignorance of the people on this site is way too deep to understand. Those Ds voted no bc they could…Pelosi knew she had the votes. She’s one of the most badass effective Speakers this country has ever seen and so she knew she could get it done and let people in her party send the message they wanted to. It was all perfect.

What message did they want to send to their constituents?

They sent a message to everyone: they'd rather Flint not get clean water if they don't also get the bill they want

Unluckily for your Fox talking points, she’s actually pretty active on twitter. You can read her own words.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a lot more respect for the 13 Republicans that I do those 6 Democrats.

I don’t. I don’t respect Republicans at all. Those six were carefully counted and they did send a message with their vote. It passed. We’re fine.

Exactly. The ignorance of the people on this site is way too deep to understand. Those Ds voted no bc they could…Pelosi knew she had the votes. She’s one of the most badass effective Speakers this country has ever seen and so she knew she could get it done and let people in her party send the message they wanted to. It was all perfect.

LOL yes she got it done. After some choice words over the past week-and-a-half and no thanks to the Squad. Pelosi was pissed off on October 28th. For good reason.

Just because the end result was preferable, doesn't mean it wasn't a struggle to get there and it shouldn't have been. This bill should have been passed months ago.

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Pelosi may have been mad at the Progressives among her people. But I imagine that on the most important level she’s furious that only 13 Republicans cared enough about infrastructure to vote for this. 13. This could have been done months ago had the other 200 Republican freak bags in the House decided to govern for the greater good. I seriously do not understand why you guys are belaboring this point about the squad - and the message, in case you’re illiterate - is that Infrastructure is only half the agenda that Democratic voters voted into office. Don’t forget the rest of the people who got the Democrats the majorities.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a lot more respect for the 13 Republicans that I do those 6 Democrats.

I don’t. I don’t respect Republicans at all. Those six were carefully counted and they did send a message with their vote. It passed. We’re fine.

Exactly. The ignorance of the people on this site is way too deep to understand. Those Ds voted no bc they could…Pelosi knew she had the votes. She’s one of the most badass effective Speakers this country has ever seen and so she knew she could get it done and let people in her party send the message they wanted to. It was all perfect.

What message did they want to send to their constituents?

They sent a message to everyone: they'd rather Flint not get clean water if they don't also get the bill they want

Unluckily for your Fox talking points, she’s actually pretty active on twitter. You can read her own words.

Oh weird how they wrote a bill and split up the needed funds for physical infrastructure so their social welfare bills would be 'necessary'.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a lot more respect for the 13 Republicans that I do those 6 Democrats.

I don’t. I don’t respect Republicans at all. Those six were carefully counted and they did send a message with their vote. It passed. We’re fine.

Exactly. The ignorance of the people on this site is way too deep to understand. Those Ds voted no bc they could…Pelosi knew she had the votes. She’s one of the most badass effective Speakers this country has ever seen and so she knew she could get it done and let people in her party send the message they wanted to. It was all perfect.

What message did they want to send to their constituents?

They sent a message to everyone: they'd rather Flint not get clean water if they don't also get the bill they want

Unluckily for your Fox talking points, she’s actually pretty active on twitter. You can read her own words.

Sure. I can read that. I can also see that there was one bill that would help people and she voted against it because it's not the other bill she likes better.

Are you asking people to like her no vote? Are you asking us to agree with her that nothing is better than something? I'm not sure what line you're pushing here.

I'm glad the bill passed. I wish she'd have supported it. I can see she has some fans who agree with - or at least tolerate - her decision not to. I've liked her since she got to office, even though I disagree with her a fair amount of the time. I think this was a bad vote.