Axelrod Biden should drop out of 2024

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not believe there's another democrat, other than biden, that could win the presidential election.

So, yeah, complain all you like about biden, but IMHO, he's the only show in town.

Unfortunately, Biden as a candidate in 2024 is more likely to lose to Trump than he is to beat him in the same manner as 2020. Trump is a very, very beatable candidate and it wouldn't be difficult for someone perceived as a more fit candidate to beat him. This is becoming increasingly obvious everyday and those of us that are paying attention to what poll after poll is telling us are as concerned as Axelrod.

You have no basis for saying that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not believe there's another democrat, other than biden, that could win the presidential election.

So, yeah, complain all you like about biden, but IMHO, he's the only show in town.

Unfortunately, Biden as a candidate in 2024 is more likely to lose to Trump than he is to beat him in the same manner as 2020. Trump is a very, very beatable candidate and it wouldn't be difficult for someone perceived as a more fit candidate to beat him. This is becoming increasingly obvious everyday and those of us that are paying attention to what poll after poll is telling us are as concerned as Axelrod.

Americans know the difference between answering a survey and casting a ballot, even if the polling industrial complex and pundits don’t.

[Anonymous]

Assuming the race is Biden - Trump, how does Biden’s support for Israel become the deciding issue? Trump would probably have been equally as supportive but certainly not pro-Palestine. How does Biden’s response here on this one specific issue make him not electable as it relates to Trump?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not believe there's another democrat, other than biden, that could win the presidential election.

So, yeah, complain all you like about biden, but IMHO, he's the only show in town.

Unfortunately, Biden as a candidate in 2024 is more likely to lose to Trump than he is to beat him in the same manner as 2020. Trump is a very, very beatable candidate and it wouldn't be difficult for someone perceived as a more fit candidate to beat him. This is becoming increasingly obvious everyday and those of us that are paying attention to what poll after poll is telling us are as concerned as Axelrod.

You have no basis for saying that

No basis for......? Trump is a very flawed candidate that would have the support of little more than the 25% to 30% Maga crowd if he were running against a more popular and fit for office opponent. This is the general sentiment of a majority American voters including many well respected political analysts. This is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden will stay in the race and win re-election.

Ax has been wrong a lot. He's wrong on this.

I agree with poster above about WHAT other position should Biden have taken? Like WHAT would a majority of Democrats and Independents get behind? Be specific. Just writing on an anonymous board that Biden made a mistake is so easy. Come on big guy, give your take.

I think Biden's poor messaging and lack of diplomacy with the war in Gaza is a huge part of the problem. Yes, Biden should have publicly and privately supported Israel BUT he did not have to offer unconditional public approval. Also, Biden himself did not have to visit Israel, Blinken's visits were sufficient. Biden could have offered support without undermining our international standing and inflaming tensions in Arab countries many of which we also need. Support for Israel should not come at the cost of our own standing particularly when there is such flagrant violation of international laws. I think people expected that foreign relations was a core strength of Biden and instead he has handled this entire situation with utter lack of nuance.

[Anonymous]

One wildcard that could become a major issue is if the economy rolls over. Right now, even with interest rates being high and hopefully inflation behind us, Biden is polling poorly on the economy at 3.9% unemployment. If the rate hikes lead to a recession next year, god help us. It'll be a disaster for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden will stay in the race and win re-election.

Ax has been wrong a lot. He's wrong on this.

I agree with poster above about WHAT other position should Biden have taken? Like WHAT would a majority of Democrats and Independents get behind? Be specific. Just writing on an anonymous board that Biden made a mistake is so easy. Come on big guy, give your take.

I think Biden's poor messaging and lack of diplomacy with the war in Gaza is a huge part of the problem. Yes, Biden should have publicly and privately supported Israel BUT he did not have to offer unconditional public approval. Also, Biden himself did not have to visit Israel, Blinken's visits were sufficient. Biden could have offered support without undermining our international standing and inflaming tensions in Arab countries many of which we also need. Support for Israel should not come at the cost of our own standing particularly when there is such flagrant violation of international laws. I think people expected that foreign relations was a core strength of Biden and instead he has handled this entire situation with utter lack of nuance.

Yes to the above. Some of his comments that he did not have to say that came across as uncaring and dismissive:

Calling himself a Zionist.
The "other team" comment.
The "shoot straight" comment.
The No confidence in the numbers of Palestinians killed comment.

He has lost the Arab American vote.

They could get behind a different Democratic candidate. Not Joe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

David Axelrod, a prominent Democratic political strategist and former White House official, said on Sunday that President Joe Biden needed to think carefully about whether he should continue to seek reelection.

“Only @JoeBiden can make this decision,” Axelrod wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. “If he continues to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. What he needs to decide is whether that is wise; whether it’s in HIS best interest or the country’s?”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/05/former-obama-strategist-biden-presidential-race-00125435[code]

I agree. Biden has really messed up with his response to Israel and there is no way to come back from it. That situation will only get worst. Ideally the republicans impeach, remove him from office and bar him from running/serving again. That would rally the democrats but remove Biden from the ticket.

Biden has not messed up the response to israel. The far left of the Democratic Party has lost its mind.

Oh yes he has. He lost 14% in the polls after his Israel trip. Another candidate could steer the party is away from Israel to a more favorable position with the American people.

There isn't another viable Preident or Presidential candidate who would do any less than Biden has on Israel. Interestingly, today's readout suggested some cease-fire zones within Gaza, so you are already seeing Biden's influence to help ease things there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One wildcard that could become a major issue is if the economy rolls over. Right now, even with interest rates being high and hopefully inflation behind us, Biden is polling poorly on the economy at 3.9% unemployment. If the rate hikes lead to a recession next year, god help us. It'll be a disaster for him.

Americans are hooked on cheap debt. With 7.5% mortgage rates, a lot of Millennials simply have no hope of home ownership or a better life. So I think you're seeing a lot of despondency right now in the polls - people may have jobs and even make good money, but they can't get ahead of the curve on home ownership. It's a fading mirage for Millennials who need a house within an hour of their jobs and a baby on the way.

And god forbid you're low income in this economy - inflation is killing you and housing situations grow more precarious by the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden will stay in the race and win re-election.

Ax has been wrong a lot. He's wrong on this.

I agree with poster above about WHAT other position should Biden have taken? Like WHAT would a majority of Democrats and Independents get behind? Be specific. Just writing on an anonymous board that Biden made a mistake is so easy. Come on big guy, give your take.

I think Biden's poor messaging and lack of diplomacy with the war in Gaza is a huge part of the problem. Yes, Biden should have publicly and privately supported Israel BUT he did not have to offer unconditional public approval. Also, Biden himself did not have to visit Israel, Blinken's visits were sufficient. Biden could have offered support without undermining our international standing and inflaming tensions in Arab countries many of which we also need. Support for Israel should not come at the cost of our own standing particularly when there is such flagrant violation of international laws. I think people expected that foreign relations was a core strength of Biden and instead he has handled this entire situation with utter lack of nuance.

Lack of diplomacy?

So far, he has managed to keep it contained to just Israel and Hamas, and not iran/Hezbollah/Syria etc.
Both he, Blnken and other secretaries, military etc have bene making the rounds, including today.

Let's at least be rooted in facts, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One wildcard that could become a major issue is if the economy rolls over. Right now, even with interest rates being high and hopefully inflation behind us, Biden is polling poorly on the economy at 3.9% unemployment. If the rate hikes lead to a recession next year, god help us. It'll be a disaster for him.

If the economy is strong at this time next year, and I think it will be, Biden will get to ride the wave and take credit because he’s the incumbent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One wildcard that could become a major issue is if the economy rolls over. Right now, even with interest rates being high and hopefully inflation behind us, Biden is polling poorly on the economy at 3.9% unemployment. If the rate hikes lead to a recession next year, god help us. It'll be a disaster for him.

Everyone has backed off of recession and the Fed is saying the target rates will be reached and easing will happen in 2024, so barring the GOP causing a recession with the government shutdown, I think that can be safely considered successfully navigated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

David Axelrod, a prominent Democratic political strategist and former White House official, said on Sunday that President Joe Biden needed to think carefully about whether he should continue to seek reelection.

“Only @JoeBiden can make this decision,” Axelrod wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. “If he continues to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. What he needs to decide is whether that is wise; whether it’s in HIS best interest or the country’s?”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/05/former-obama-strategist-biden-presidential-race-00125435[code]

I agree. Biden has really messed up with his response to Israel and there is no way to come back from it. That situation will only get worst. Ideally the republicans impeach, remove him from office and bar him from running/serving again. That would rally the democrats but remove Biden from the ticket.

Biden has not messed up the response to israel. The far left of the Democratic Party has lost its mind.

Oh yes he has. He lost 14% in the polls after his Israel trip. Another candidate could steer the party is away from Israel to a more favorable position with the American people.

There isn't another viable Preident or Presidential candidate who would do any less than Biden has on Israel. Interestingly, today's readout suggested some cease-fire zones within Gaza, so you are already seeing Biden's influence to help ease things there.

How do you know who would get in to the race if Biden drops out? This is the first time a politician lost a big chunk of support (and it was within his own party) for unconditional support of Israel. This is an earthquake within US politics.

Biden has no influence with anyone in Israel, Gaza, Palestinians or anyone else in the Middle East. Biden publicly throw his lot in with the Israelis. This is shown by Blinken inability to meet with anyone but Israel and they are tired of him. Blinken is like a wandering homeless man with a squeegee approaching your car. People see him coming, lock their doors, avoid eye contact and shake their head no.

When Biden took his trip to Israel he said he was a Zionist. This means Israel will not listen to him about how to conduct the war, civilian casualties, lip services to a two state solution, etc They know no matter what Israel does Biden will support them fully. Whatever Biden said publicly is just noise for domestic consumption but not meant for the Israelis.

[Anonymous]

Biden is at 37% in the polls. The electoral college map looks horrible for Biden. Trump is done. Have you heard him speak in the past few months? He does not even know what day it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden will stay in the race and win re-election.

Ax has been wrong a lot. He's wrong on this.

I agree with poster above about WHAT other position should Biden have taken? Like WHAT would a majority of Democrats and Independents get behind? Be specific. Just writing on an anonymous board that Biden made a mistake is so easy. Come on big guy, give your take.

I think Biden's poor messaging and lack of diplomacy with the war in Gaza is a huge part of the problem. Yes, Biden should have publicly and privately supported Israel BUT he did not have to offer unconditional public approval. Also, Biden himself did not have to visit Israel, Blinken's visits were sufficient. Biden could have offered support without undermining our international standing and inflaming tensions in Arab countries many of which we also need. Support for Israel should not come at the cost of our own standing particularly when there is such flagrant violation of international laws. I think people expected that foreign relations was a core strength of Biden and instead he has handled this entire situation with utter lack of nuance.

Yes to the above. Some of his comments that he did not have to say that came across as uncaring and dismissive:

Calling himself a Zionist.
The "other team" comment.
The "shoot straight" comment.
The No confidence in the numbers of Palestinians killed comment.

He has lost the Arab American vote.

They could get behind a different Democratic candidate. Not Joe.

Let them all go vote for Trump. He’ll be so much better for Muslim rights.