NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the article:

It would also cover “Dreamers" like Eva Santos, 32, who was brought to the U.S. by her parents at age 11 as an unauthorized immigrant, but wasn't able to vote like her friends or go to college when she turned 18.

“It was really hard for me to see how my other friends were able to make decisions for their future, and I couldn’t,” said Santos, now a community organizer.

More than a dozen communities across the United States currently allow noncitizens to vote, including 11 towns in Maryland and two in Vermont.

Will we be seeing more of this in the DMV? Sounds like it’s mostly just for local elections anyway.

https://news.yahoo.com/york-city-poised-voting-rights-061311911.html

It's not hard to figure out - you're not a citizen.

Want to vote? Move back to your native country.

Giving illegals with mixed allegiances the right to vote is another liberal lunacy.

Do you believe that American citizens with citizenship in another country also have 'mixed allegiances'?

[Anonymous]

Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Isn’t the right to vote one of the big benefits of becoming a citizen? Why give that right away so freely?

This.

My personal feeling is that this is profoundly stupid (and, if we are willing to give up citizenship as a requirement, then what prevents one from voting in multiple jurisdictions where he is not a citizen). But it is the right of each municipality to make this decision. As long as I do not live in said municipality, I will not question it further.

???

The voters need to be residents where they are voting. That is why they cannot vote in multiple jurisdictions. Citizenship has nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.

Actually Scotland and Wales do this too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.

Actually Scotland and Wales do this too

Two world powers, eh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.

Actually Scotland and Wales do this too

Two world powers, eh?

Actually, it's what makes the US pretty darn special: anyone can become an "American" if they want it bad enough. You can move here from Africa, Europe, or Asian and become American. Within a generation, no one will know how long your family has been in the States.

I can't move to Wales and become "Welsh." Neither can my kids. It's what separates us from the rest of the world and I'm OK with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.

Actually Scotland and Wales do this too

Two world powers, eh?

Which country would you see doing it and think, "hey, if they do it, maybe we should"? I'm guessing none.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Isn’t the right to vote one of the big benefits of becoming a citizen? Why give that right away so freely?

This.

My personal feeling is that this is profoundly stupid (and, if we are willing to give up citizenship as a requirement, then what prevents one from voting in multiple jurisdictions where he is not a citizen). But it is the right of each municipality to make this decision. As long as I do not live in said municipality, I will not question it further.

so what is that now prevents a citizen from voting in multiple local elections?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.

Actually Scotland and Wales do this too

Two world powers, eh?

Which country would you see doing it and think, "hey, if they do it, maybe we should"? I'm guessing none.

None. I think voting is a privilege that should be reserved for citizens. I’m not sure when that became a controversial idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.

Actually Scotland and Wales do this too

Two world powers, eh?

Actually, it's what makes the US pretty darn special: anyone can become an "American" if they want it bad enough. You can move here from Africa, Europe, or Asian and become American. Within a generation, no one will know how long your family has been in the States.

I can't move to Wales and become "Welsh." Neither can my kids. It's what separates us from the rest of the world and I'm OK with that.

I agree that the US is special. I am the child of immigrants. They came here legally. They recognized the importance of becoming US citizens and went through the long and arduous process of doing so. They are now proud Americans, as am I.

This article is talking about people who are not citizens being given the rights of citizens - specifically the right to vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Isn’t the right to vote one of the big benefits of becoming a citizen? Why give that right away so freely?

This.

My personal feeling is that this is profoundly stupid (and, if we are willing to give up citizenship as a requirement, then what prevents one from voting in multiple jurisdictions where he is not a citizen). But it is the right of each municipality to make this decision. As long as I do not live in said municipality, I will not question it further.

so what is that now prevents a citizen from voting in multiple local elections?

Isn’t that why we need Voter ID laws. It’ silly that we don’t require ID to vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.

Actually Scotland and Wales do this too

Two world powers, eh?

Which country would you see doing it and think, "hey, if they do it, maybe we should"? I'm guessing none.

None. I think voting is a privilege that should be reserved for citizens. I’m not sure when that became a controversial idea.

Ok, but it's not just the US that is "stupid enough to do this crap". Own your opinions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.

Actually Scotland and Wales do this too

Two world powers, eh?

Which country would you see doing it and think, "hey, if they do it, maybe we should"? I'm guessing none.

None. I think voting is a privilege that should be reserved for citizens. I’m not sure when that became a controversial idea.

Ok, but it's not just the US that is "stupid enough to do this crap". Own your opinions.

DP

I think the point is that most countries require you to be a citizen if you want to vote in elections.

What is the policy exactly in Scotland and Wales? How many undocumented immigrants live in those two countries? Can they vote in any election?

The article says that 1 in 9 residents of NYC are non-citizens. That is quite a large number.

[Anonymous]

I'd prefer if you have to be a citizen AND own property in the jurisdiction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the big deal. They cannot vote in federal elections, but if a local jurisdiction wants to allow it, so what?

+1

States' rights.

States rights only matters to conservagoons when it’s used to strip women of their rights, strip Black people of their rights or prevent public health measures from working.