NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens

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The new mayor is now for it - after he was against it.

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Should one not have a say in how the city one lives in is governed?

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Anonymous wrote:There should at the very least be a locality based “citizenship” test that reflects the knowledge that US educated natural born or naturalized citizens acquire as part of the process they generally follow to become legal voters. Public education and naturalization processes both support this.

In this NYC proposal they DO check for legal residency status. So one has to at least be a green card holder.

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Anonymous wrote:There should at the very least be a locality based “citizenship” test that reflects the knowledge that US educated natural born or naturalized citizens acquire as part of the process they generally follow to become legal voters. Public education and naturalization processes both support this.

In this NYC proposal they DO check for legal residency status. So one has to at least be a green card holder.

Legal residency can be on a visa too (DP)
But no one with half a brain on track to citizenship will vote (see posts above as to why)

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It would also cover “Dreamers" like Eva Santos, 32, who was brought to the U.S. by her parents at age 11 as an unauthorized immigrant, but wasn't able to vote like her friends or go to college when she turned 18.

“It was really hard for me to see how my other friends were able to make decisions for their future, and I couldn’t,” said Santos, now a community organizer.

More than a dozen communities across the United States currently allow noncitizens to vote, including 11 towns in Maryland and two in Vermont.

Will we be seeing more of this in the DMV? Sounds like it’s mostly just for local elections anyway.

https://news.yahoo.com/york-city-poised-voting-rights-061311911.html

The legislation https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=4313327&GUID=DF600BDA-B675-41D8-A8BD-282C38DC4C62&Options=ID%7cText%7c&Search=1867

1507 ee "7. The following spaces to be filled in by the applicant:

(a). Space to indicate whether the applicant is a lawful permanent resident or is authorized to work in the United states and the statement “If you checked “no” in response to this question, do not complete this form.”

30 days with an address in NYC and authorized to work in the USA? UN is in NYC. I guess they all will now get to vote in the municpal elections of a major US City. Too funny and the real objection came from a politician cncened about the dilution of the AA, long term multi-genational, US citizens.

Right? 30 days in the US and you can vote in NYC. Phenomenal. Let’s see when China starts sending over voters to influence US elections. Russia no longer needs to hack into our elections once this progressive idea spreads.

Did you actually read it? They can't just "send people" - only legal residents can vote. The Chinese would first have to get legal visas to travel here.

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Anonymous wrote:Chevy Chase allows noncitizen residents to vote. It seems okay for them.

How many undocumented immigrants live in Chevy Chase? Probably a much smaller percentage of the population when compared to NYC would be my guess. I could be wrong though.

NYC didn’t extend voting to undocumented immigrants. Read any article before commenting.

“… would allow more than 800,000 noncitizen New Yorkers to register as members of political parties and vote in municipal elections, provided they are green card holders or have the right to work in the United States.“

Green card holders hoping to become citizens would be dumb to vote because there is a question on the citizenship form whether they have ever voted in any US election. You don’t want to open yourself up to additional questions from USCIS officers by saying yes

By "US election" that question had better read FEDERAL election. Otherwise the question is definitely an unconstitutional overreach. Historically, up until the 1920s there wasn't really any question as to whether non-citizens could vote in state and local elections.

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I read your headline, and I think, "OMG foreigners, likely enemies, are hopping off planes and voting here????"

Then I read the link... oh, people BORN HERE like my ship jumping grandpa get to vote in their community???

OK OP

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Did you actually read it? They can't just "send people" - only legal residents can vote. The Chinese would first have to get legal visas to travel here.

I haven't studied the details, but many, many Chinese are here on legal visas. Would student visas qualify? Because there are many, many of those.

This could be a troubling development. And, the voter registrars issuing voting registrations are going to have to be very careful to keep them separate from eligibility in federal elections.

Gee, what could go wrong?

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Isn’t the right to vote one of the big benefits of becoming a citizen? Why give that right away so freely?

This.

My personal feeling is that this is profoundly stupid (and, if we are willing to give up citizenship as a requirement, then what prevents one from voting in multiple jurisdictions where he is not a citizen). But it is the right of each municipality to make this decision. As long as I do not live in said municipality, I will not question it further.

But, you become a citizen of the United States, not a citizen of NYC or even NY state. All you do with respect to local and state jurisdictions is live there for some period of time.

FWIW there is no direct statement in the Constitution or amendments that says a non citizen CAN'T vote. Guessing prohibition against non-citizen voting in federal elections is somewhere in US Code?

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?

The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.

Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.

DP here. Sounds like you’re the dummy. Non-citizens absolutely do pay taxes. My family immigrated here legally and had to pay taxes for decades before becoming US citizens.

My grandmother moved here from another country and got free medical care and money from the government for decades. I can own that this happens. You should try.

I confirm this. Many elderly people move here via family reunification and get free medical care, food stamps, and subsidized housing. Esp in CA and NY.

But then they are by definition joining a family that does pay taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?

The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.

Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.

DP here. Sounds like you’re the dummy. Non-citizens absolutely do pay taxes. My family immigrated here legally and had to pay taxes for decades before becoming US citizens.

My grandmother moved here from another country and got free medical care and money from the government for decades. I can own that this happens. You should try.

I confirm this. Many elderly people move here via family reunification and get free medical care, food stamps, and subsidized housing. Esp in CA and NY.

But then they are by definition joining a family that does pay taxes.

Regardless we should not be funding the retirement costs of people who spent their entire lives in other countries. Th is is nuts

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?

The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.

Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.

DP here. Sounds like you’re the dummy. Non-citizens absolutely do pay taxes. My family immigrated here legally and had to pay taxes for decades before becoming US citizens.

My grandmother moved here from another country and got free medical care and money from the government for decades. I can own that this happens. You should try.

I confirm this. Many elderly people move here via family reunification and get free medical care, food stamps, and subsidized housing. Esp in CA and NY.

But then they are by definition joining a family that does pay taxes.

Unless it’s Melania’s parents and sister.

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Anonymous wrote:Chevy Chase allows noncitizen residents to vote. It seems okay for them.

How many undocumented immigrants live in Chevy Chase? Probably a much smaller percentage of the population when compared to NYC would be my guess. I could be wrong though.

NYC didn’t extend voting to undocumented immigrants. Read any article before commenting.

“… would allow more than 800,000 noncitizen New Yorkers to register as members of political parties and vote in municipal elections, provided they are green card holders or have the right to work in the United States.“

Green card holders hoping to become citizens would be dumb to vote because there is a question on the citizenship form whether they have ever voted in any US election. You don’t want to open yourself up to additional questions from USCIS officers by saying yes

By "US election" that question had better read FEDERAL election. Otherwise the question is definitely an unconstitutional overreach. Historically, up until the 1920s there wasn't really any question as to whether non-citizens could vote in state and local elections.

Well it doesn’t. You can check the form N-400 yourself if you like.
I believe one has to register to vote in order to vote in a local election and that is one area of potential mixup as well (though I can’t say for sure).

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?

The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.

Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.

DP here. Sounds like you’re the dummy. Non-citizens absolutely do pay taxes. My family immigrated here legally and had to pay taxes for decades before becoming US citizens.

My grandmother moved here from another country and got free medical care and money from the government for decades. I can own that this happens. You should try.

I confirm this. Many elderly people move here via family reunification and get free medical care, food stamps, and subsidized housing. Esp in CA and NY.

But then they are by definition joining a family that does pay taxes.

Yes this is true in most cases. I don’t know if these taxes cover the cost of benefits though

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All in all, I think it is a very near sighted development which won’t bring many new voters (let alone “millions” like they are hoping) but will cost democrats many votes of citizens.
They should really stop with all the radical virtue signaling stuff if they want to win in 22 and 24.