NYC to Give Voting Rights to Noncitizens

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Anonymous wrote:This seems insanely stupid. There should be some rights reserved for you know, actual legal citizens of the country.

The feds aren't granting voting rights to non citizens, we are just sending the decision back to the states and localities where it belongs.

Sound familiar?

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?

The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.

Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.

DP here. Sounds like you’re the dummy. Non-citizens absolutely do pay taxes. My family immigrated here legally and had to pay taxes for decades before becoming US citizens.

My grandmother moved here from another country and got free medical care and money from the government for decades. I can own that this happens. You should try.

I confirm this. Many elderly people move here via family reunification and get free medical care, food stamps, and subsidized housing. Esp in CA and NY.

But then they are by definition joining a family that does pay taxes.

Not the same as paying into SS your whole life and then collecting from it.

I live in the suburbs and there seems to be a growing population of older Chinese immigrants nearby, as I’ve noticed hanging out near public housing and food distribution lines. Has it always been this way or is this an uptick? They don’t seem to have families taking care of them.

There has been a HUGE uptick in Chinese nationals coming across.
And, over 20,000 already for 2024.

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So non-citizens will be voting in this year's presidential election if that state's municipal elections take place during the general election. Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:So non-citizens will be voting in this year's presidential election if that state's municipal elections take place during the general election. Interesting.

If that happens, then prosecution needs to happen.
It is illegal and should not be allowed to slip by.

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Anonymous wrote:So non-citizens will be voting in this year's presidential election if that state's municipal elections take place during the general election. Interesting.

If that happens, then prosecution needs to happen.
It is illegal and should not be allowed to slip by.

That is hilarious. I can't tell if you are serious or joking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So non-citizens will be voting in this year's presidential election if that state's municipal elections take place during the general election. Interesting.

No, those people are eligible to Cote locally, not in federal elections.

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Anonymous wrote:So non-citizens will be voting in this year's presidential election if that state's municipal elections take place during the general election. Interesting.

No, those people are eligible to Cote locally, not in federal elections.

So when voting for the local elections takes place on the same day and ballot as for the general/presidential election, how would that work? Maybe just ask the voter to skip the first 5 questions and hope that they do?

It all sounds so wonderfully complicated, doesn't it?

[Anonymous]

Why?

Why would we have illegal aliens vote?

What other country allows illegal aliens, legal citizens of other countries, to vote?

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Anonymous wrote:Why?

Why would we have illegal aliens vote?

What other country allows illegal aliens, legal citizens of other countries, to vote?

Zero. Only Democrats are this insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Only the US is stupid enough to do this crap.

Actually Scotland and Wales do this too

Hmm, I will read up on this. I just read that Wales and Scotland fiercely put many protections into laws recently for their Welsh and Celtic culture, heritage, and language, so that these have priority and cannot be altered by changing demographics related to migrant inflow. England has not done any of this so far.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?

The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.

Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.

DP here. Sounds like you’re the dummy. Non-citizens absolutely do pay taxes. My family immigrated here legally and had to pay taxes for decades before becoming US citizens.

My grandmother moved here from another country and got free medical care and money from the government for decades. I can own that this happens. You should try.

I confirm this. Many elderly people move here via family reunification and get free medical care, food stamps, and subsidized housing. Esp in CA and NY.

But then they are by definition joining a family that does pay taxes.

Not the same as paying into SS your whole life and then collecting from it.

I live in the suburbs and there seems to be a growing population of older Chinese immigrants nearby, as I’ve noticed hanging out near public housing and food distribution lines. Has it always been this way or is this an uptick? They don’t seem to have families taking care of them.

There has been a HUGE uptick in Chinese nationals coming across.
And, over 20,000 already for 2024.

From 600 to 37,000 in a span of 2 years? Is this real? Why? What’s the reason for this?

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Anonymous wrote:So non-citizens will be voting in this year's presidential election if that state's municipal elections take place during the general election. Interesting.

No, those people are eligible to Cote locally, not in federal elections.

So when voting for the local elections takes place on the same day and ballot as for the general/presidential election, how would that work? Maybe just ask the voter to skip the first 5 questions and hope that they do?

It all sounds so wonderfully complicated, doesn't it?

They would get a different ballot with only local races. It’s pretty simple.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the requirements then? Residency? Or can each candidate bus in a boat load of supporter to get elected?

The same as for citizens. You have to prove that you live there. The only difference is citizenship. Why would you think otherwise? Noncitizen residents work, pay taxes and have to deal with every kind of public policy, programs, schools, law enforcement, etc.

Try not to be quite so stupid. Non citizens by and large do not pay taxes yet benefit from the programs that taxes fund like education, law enforcement, etc. Now go back to gnawing on your government cheese, dummy.

What taxes do legal residents not pay yet benefit from? They pay income taxes. They pay property taxes. They pay sales taxes. They pay excise taxes. You are clueless.

Green Card holders generally have to live in the US at least 181 days per year and all must pay taxes here. Actually they need to declare their entire worldwide income here.

However, “legal noncitizens” could be students on a visa or others on a short term visa - they do not pay taxes here, and do to their temporary nature it seems insane to give them voting right, including locally.

For Green Card holders it’s debatable in my opinion, they are all eligible for citizenship, if they take on the pain to go through the process. The only tangible reward for going through the lengthy expensive process used to be “voting rights”. So my personal opinion would be they shouldn’t take this away as a benefit for those investing into the process- because you only do this if you truly care about your new main country, and we should want, promote and incentivize this.

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Anonymous wrote:So non-citizens will be voting in this year's presidential election if that state's municipal elections take place during the general election. Interesting.

No, those people are eligible to Cote locally, not in federal elections.

So when voting for the local elections takes place on the same day and ballot as for the general/presidential election, how would that work? Maybe just ask the voter to skip the first 5 questions and hope that they do?

It all sounds so wonderfully complicated, doesn't it?

It’s a wholly separate voter registration and card.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So non-citizens will be voting in this year's presidential election if that state's municipal elections take place during the general election. Interesting.

No. You just give non-citizens a different ballot.