Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Presidents that played sports in college

Bush (both) - Yale baseball
Kennedy - Harvard swimming
Reagan - football eureka college
Eisenhower - West Point football
Ford - Michigan football drafted to NFL but declined

Carter - baseball and cross county For the Navy

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Anonymous wrote:Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.

How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.

EXACTLY!

You're all very naive. The colleges KNOW it's happening. They WANT/NEED the rich going there or Harvard, for example, isn't Harvard. Harvard is just like a well-financed tech school if you took out all the rich kids. And all you strivers who dream about your kid marrying an 'elite' wouldn't want to go there, either.

They would argue that allowing in a 2.5 million Jared Kushner means that 10 other kids get scholarships, is my guess.

But you dilute the brand by letting in someone everyone knows is mediocre but rich.

No you protect the brand with elite /rich dilute the brand with striver/regular kids
harvard Alum

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.

How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.

EXACTLY!

You're all very naive. The colleges KNOW it's happening. They WANT/NEED the rich going there or Harvard, for example, isn't Harvard. Harvard is just like a well-financed tech school if you took out all the rich kids. And all you strivers who dream about your kid marrying an 'elite' wouldn't want to go there, either.

They would argue that allowing in a 2.5 million Jared Kushner means that 10 other kids get scholarships, is my guess.

But you dilute the brand by letting in someone everyone knows is mediocre but rich.

No you protect the brand with elite /rich dilute the brand with striver/regular kids
harvard Alum

As sick and pathetic as this post sounds... this is what people who are test preping and taking 15 APs don't understand.

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They're dropping out before they're kicked out. Well, now the girls can go and do what they always dreamed since they 'don't care about school' and all.

Lori Loughlin's daughters Isabella and Olivia Jade Giannulli have decided to drop out of University of Southern California, TMZ is reporting. The decision comes after Olivia Jade and Isabella's parents were both implicated in the college admissions cheating scandal for allegedly paying $500,000 to make it appear that both girls had been rowers to guarantee their admission to USC.

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a26829100/lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-isabella-giannulli-withdrawing-uscgif

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

This. Give everyone the same time and let the ones done early leave.

The TRULY exceptional kids can then brag that not only did they get a perfect score, they left with XXX hours to spare. They will take pride in not staying the entire time.

You don’t understand strivers. Plenty of kids in the TJ and Blair magnets will stay until the bitter end checking and re-checking their answers. Because their peers are and it’s an arms race. I had a kid in one of these places.

Meanwhile, kids with low processing speeds now have the same exact time as the Blair and TJ kids. Why is this helpful?

It is unlimited time. The extended time accommodations are not to give one a leg up over those who do not get them which u r implying they are. By removing time constraints, you would be removing the biggest abuse of the system and making it fairer to the poorer and inner city/rural kids. Kids who now get extended time accommodations would not be harmed by this.

So you go home at 10pm to sleep when the janitorial staff are closing the building, you look up the answers overnight, and then you return the next day all ready to ace the test? Or the school provides internet-free room and board for, what, up to a week, for test takers?

You are being deliberately obtuse. Today, are there more than 24 hours extended time accommodations? Or are u one of those w accommodations for your kid and it is giving them a leg up that u don’t want to give untimed tests to every kid?

[Anonymous]

Playing sports competitively in college is fine. Hiring athletes is fine.

Giving such an admissions preference to recruited athletes is nonsensical for academic institutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another parent in the scandal falls - Bill McGlashan

Bill McGlashan has resigned from TPG and The Rise Fund, its $2 billion impact-investment platform he co-founded with U2’s Bono, Richard Branson and Jeff Skoll among others.

TPG is the majority owner of CAA and helped launch STX Entertainment among other Hollywood entities. It paid $225 million in equity for a majority stake in the Hollywood agency in 2014. He stepped down from the STX board on Wednesday.



58F. WILLIAM E. McGLASHAN, Jr. https://www.justice.gov/file/1142876/download

130.Defendant WILLIAM E. McGLASHAN, Jr. is a resident of Mill Valley, California. McGLASHAN is a senior executive at a global private equity firm.

131.As set forth below, McGLASHAN participated in both the college entrance exam cheating scheme and the college recruitement scheme, including by conspiring to bribe Donna Heinel, the senior associate athletic director at the University of Southern California (“USC”), to facilitate his son’s admission to USC as a recruited athlete.15

132.CW-1 has advised law enforcement agents that McGLASHAN agreed to make a purported donation of $50,000 to KWF, with the understanding that CW-1 would arrange for CW-2 to serve as a purported proctor for McGLASHAN’s son’s ACT exam at a test center that CW-1 “controlled,” and that CW-2 would, in exchange for money, correct his son’s answers after the test was completed.

Is he being put on the board instead? Another parent resigned but remained on the Board. What a crap of sh*t.

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Anonymous wrote:Another parent in the scandal falls - Bill McGlashan

Bill McGlashan has resigned from TPG and The Rise Fund, its $2 billion impact-investment platform he co-founded with U2’s Bono, Richard Branson and Jeff Skoll among others.

TPG is the majority owner of CAA and helped launch STX Entertainment among other Hollywood entities. It paid $225 million in equity for a majority stake in the Hollywood agency in 2014. He stepped down from the STX board on Wednesday.



58F. WILLIAM E. McGLASHAN, Jr. https://www.justice.gov/file/1142876/download

130.Defendant WILLIAM E. McGLASHAN, Jr. is a resident of Mill Valley, California. McGLASHAN is a senior executive at a global private equity firm.

131.As set forth below, McGLASHAN participated in both the college entrance exam cheating scheme and the college recruitement scheme, including by conspiring to bribe Donna Heinel, the senior associate athletic director at the University of Southern California (“USC”), to facilitate his son’s admission to USC as a recruited athlete.15

132.CW-1 has advised law enforcement agents that McGLASHAN agreed to make a purported donation of $50,000 to KWF, with the understanding that CW-1 would arrange for CW-2 to serve as a purported proctor for McGLASHAN’s son’s ACT exam at a test center that CW-1 “controlled,” and that CW-2 would, in exchange for money, correct his son’s answers after the test was completed.

Is he being put on the board instead? Another parent resigned but remained on the Board. What a crap of sh*t.

Which one?

I'm waiting on the friend from the USC Board of Trustees who had Loughlin's daughter on his yacht in the Bahamas to be investigated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.

How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.

EXACTLY!

You're all very naive. The colleges KNOW it's happening. They WANT/NEED the rich going there or Harvard, for example, isn't Harvard. Harvard is just like a well-financed tech school if you took out all the rich kids. And all you strivers who dream about your kid marrying an 'elite' wouldn't want to go there, either.

They would argue that allowing in a 2.5 million Jared Kushner means that 10 other kids get scholarships, is my guess.

But you dilute the brand by letting in someone everyone knows is mediocre but rich.

No you protect the brand with elite /rich dilute the brand with striver/regular kids
harvard Alum

As sick and pathetic as this post sounds... this is what people who are test preping and taking 15 APs don't understand.

The H brand changes overtime slowly on the edges. Groups that feel unfairly treated in admissions are often those as considered strivers or socially less desirable by traditional H types or old white men. Just because you value something and think its great does not mean others will. ...

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Anonymous wrote:Playing sports competitively in college is fine. Hiring athletes is fine.

Giving such an admissions preference to recruited athletes is nonsensical for academic institutions.

Remember Boys in the Hood? Ricky was recruited to play football at usc and couldn’t get the 700 on the sat he needed to play. He finally gets the 710 and they find out after he’s killed. Ahhh USC athletics.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

Well here’s a newsflash....if you don’t care enough to find a way to access free resources then maybe you don’t belong at Harvard or other highly selective schools. The world needs truck drivers too.

Are you saying the free resources are remotely equivalent?

Yes they are. The only thing an expensive tutor gives you is accountability, which is important if you’re a feckless tw*t. My point is simple....if you’re some downtrodden poor that is brilliant and deserves to be admitted to Harvard then fine, go prove it by taking a bus to your local library and access free internet to prep with khan academy (which is excellent btw).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

This. Give everyone the same time and let the ones done early leave.

The TRULY exceptional kids can then brag that not only did they get a perfect score, they left with XXX hours to spare. They will take pride in not staying the entire time.

You don’t understand strivers. Plenty of kids in the TJ and Blair magnets will stay until the bitter end checking and re-checking their answers. Because their peers are and it’s an arms race. I had a kid in one of these places.

Meanwhile, kids with low processing speeds now have the same exact time as the Blair and TJ kids. Why is this helpful?

It is unlimited time. The extended time accommodations are not to give one a leg up over those who do not get them which u r implying they are. By removing time constraints, you would be removing the biggest abuse of the system and making it fairer to the poorer and inner city/rural kids. Kids who now get extended time accommodations would not be harmed by this.

So you go home at 10pm to sleep when the janitorial staff are closing the building, you look up the answers overnight, and then you return the next day all ready to ace the test? Or the school provides internet-free room and board for, what, up to a week, for test takers?

You are being deliberately obtuse. Today, are there more than 24 hours extended time accommodations? Or are u one of those w accommodations for your kid and it is giving them a leg up that u don’t want to give untimed tests to every kid?

I’m trying to *protect* accommodations from idiotic schemes like this one. You said time would be unlimited, now you’re implying there’s some time limit, but you’re being vague about it. Anyway you cut it, though, you’re not doing special needs kids any favors by giving them the same time limits as my magnet kid (I’m the pp above with the magnet kid).

My kid got into a top ivy without any accommodations, athletic, legacy, URM or development boosts. Just exceptional smarts and national-level talent in one of the arts

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Anonymous wrote:They're dropping out before they're kicked out. Well, now the girls can go and do what they always dreamed since they 'don't care about school' and all.

Lori Loughlin's daughters Isabella and Olivia Jade Giannulli have decided to drop out of University of Southern California, TMZ is reporting. The decision comes after Olivia Jade and Isabella's parents were both implicated in the college admissions cheating scandal for allegedly paying $500,000 to make it appear that both girls had been rowers to guarantee their admission to USC.

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a26829100/lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-isabella-giannulli-withdrawing-uscgif

After signing a huge contract for a reality tv show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Playing sports competitively in college is fine. Hiring athletes is fine.

Giving such an admissions preference to recruited athletes is nonsensical for academic institutions.

Apparently not since they out achieve other students after graduation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Playing sports competitively in college is fine. Hiring athletes is fine.

Giving such an admissions preference to recruited athletes is nonsensical for academic institutions.

Remember Boys in the Hood? Ricky was recruited to play football at usc and couldn’t get the 700 on the sat he needed to play. He finally gets the 710 and they find out after he’s killed. Ahhh USC athletics.

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