Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

Well here’s a newsflash....if you don’t care enough to find a way to access free resources then maybe you don’t belong at Harvard or other highly selective schools. The world needs truck drivers too.

Are you saying the free resources are remotely equivalent?

Yes they are. The only thing an expensive tutor gives you is accountability, which is important if you’re a feckless tw*t. My point is simple....if you’re some downtrodden poor that is brilliant and deserves to be admitted to Harvard then fine, go prove it by taking a bus to your local library and access free internet to prep with khan academy (which is excellent btw).

DP. Is this a joke, or are you for real? It sounds like you’re saying it’s fine if rich, feckless twits (edited) get into Harvard because they can buy tutors. But the smart “poors” should “prove it” by taking the bus to the library. Ugh....

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

DP- the accommodations aren’t to give a leg up. That’s not the point.

Extra time isn't the only accommodation available, and ADHD isn't the only condition that requires levelling of the playing field.

Bathroom breaks for students with Crohn's.
Private room for students with Tourette's syndrome.
Braille test booklet and answer keys for blind students.
Snacks in test room for diabetic students who can't go 3-4 hours without eating.
Large print test booklets and answer sheets for students with visual impairments.
Scribe for students who break dominant wrist or hand and will be a cast on test day (usually also gets extra time bc the process takes longer).
Table instead of desk for a student in a wheelchair.
Sign language proctor for deaf students.

Allowing everyone unlimited time does not solve the problem.

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But all of these, with the possible exception of the snack, only confer an advantage to those who can benefit from the accommodation. There are a ton of kids who would do better (or at least feel less anxious) with extra time.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

Well here’s a newsflash....if you don’t care enough to find a way to access free resources then maybe you don’t belong at Harvard or other highly selective schools. The world needs truck drivers too.

Are you saying the free resources are remotely equivalent?

Yes they are. The only thing an expensive tutor gives you is accountability, which is important if you’re a feckless tw*t. My point is simple....if you’re some downtrodden poor that is brilliant and deserves to be admitted to Harvard then fine, go prove it by taking a bus to your local library and access free internet to prep with khan academy (which is excellent btw).

DP. Is this a joke, or are you for real? It sounds like you’re saying it’s fine if rich, feckless twits (edited) get into Harvard because they can buy tutors. But the smart “poors” should “prove it” by taking the bus to the library. Ugh....

DP: you are crazy. Someone here is obsessed with tutors...maybe get one for yourself and start making some sense?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

DP- the accommodations aren’t to give a leg up. That’s not the point.

Extra time isn't the only accommodation available, and ADHD isn't the only condition that requires levelling of the playing field.

Bathroom breaks for students with Crohn's.
Private room for students with Tourette's syndrome.
Braille test booklet and answer keys for blind students.
Snacks in test room for diabetic students who can't go 3-4 hours without eating.
Large print test booklets and answer sheets for students with visual impairments.
Scribe for students who break dominant wrist or hand and will be a cast on test day (usually also gets extra time bc the process takes longer).
Table instead of desk for a student in a wheelchair.
Sign language proctor for deaf students.

Allowing everyone unlimited time does not solve the problem.

...

But all of these, with the possible exception of the snack, only confer an advantage to those who can benefit from the accommodation. There are a ton of kids who would do better (or at least feel less anxious) with extra time.

Well sure. Why don’t we do away with grades, while we’re at it, and then everybody will feel super-comfortable.

There needs to be SOME way to screen kids.

Kids with lower processing speeds need more time, so give those kids time and crack down on the cheaters. That’s a lot simpler than what you’re proposing, it meets the needs of the kids who need time accommodations, and it doesn’t make testing totally meaningless.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

Well here’s a newsflash....if you don’t care enough to find a way to access free resources then maybe you don’t belong at Harvard or other highly selective schools. The world needs truck drivers too.

Are you saying the free resources are remotely equivalent?

Yes they are. The only thing an expensive tutor gives you is accountability, which is important if you’re a feckless tw*t. My point is simple....if you’re some downtrodden poor that is brilliant and deserves to be admitted to Harvard then fine, go prove it by taking a bus to your local library and access free internet to prep with khan academy (which is excellent btw).

DP. Is this a joke, or are you for real? It sounds like you’re saying it’s fine if rich, feckless twits (edited) get into Harvard because they can buy tutors. But the smart “poors” should “prove it” by taking the bus to the library. Ugh....

DP: you are crazy. Someone here is obsessed with tutors...maybe get one for yourself and start making some sense?

Buh bye, troll.

[Anonymous]

Both Loughlin daughters have dropped out of USC.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

Well here’s a newsflash....if you don’t care enough to find a way to access free resources then maybe you don’t belong at Harvard or other highly selective schools. The world needs truck drivers too.

Are you saying the free resources are remotely equivalent?

Yes they are. The only thing an expensive tutor gives you is accountability, which is important if you’re a feckless tw*t. My point is simple....if you’re some downtrodden poor that is brilliant and deserves to be admitted to Harvard then fine, go prove it by taking a bus to your local library and access free internet to prep with khan academy (which is excellent btw).

Khan Academy SAT prep does not address test-taking strategies, which has been shown to have a significant effect on scores.

I don't believe that you believe what you are saying, but I do think it makes you feel better. However, most students would benefit from more than Khan. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

I wonder what Morie Tobin got for a deal when he dropped the names. How many names were not given up and are being protected.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

DP- the accommodations aren’t to give a leg up. That’s not the point.

Extra time isn't the only accommodation available, and ADHD isn't the only condition that requires levelling of the playing field.

Bathroom breaks for students with Crohn's.
Private room for students with Tourette's syndrome.
Braille test booklet and answer keys for blind students.
Snacks in test room for diabetic students who can't go 3-4 hours without eating.
Large print test booklets and answer sheets for students with visual impairments.
Scribe for students who break dominant wrist or hand and will be a cast on test day (usually also gets extra time bc the process takes longer).
Table instead of desk for a student in a wheelchair.
Sign language proctor for deaf students.

Allowing everyone unlimited time does not solve the problem.

...

But all of these, with the possible exception of the snack, only confer an advantage to those who can benefit from the accommodation. There are a ton of kids who would do better (or at least feel less anxious) with extra time.

Well sure. Why don’t we do away with grades, while we’re at it, and then everybody will feel super-comfortable.

There needs to be SOME way to screen kids.

Kids with lower processing speeds need more time, so give those kids time and crack down on the cheaters. That’s a lot simpler than what you’re proposing, it meets the needs of the kids who need time accommodations, and it doesn’t make testing totally meaningless.

List leaves out the accommodation of circling answers in the test booklet instead of filling out the Scantron. My OCD kid got this because of his need to fill in circles absolutely perfectly. Twenty-four hours would not be enough for him to take this test without this accommodation (given without extra time).

[Anonymous]

My kids go to Buckley in Los Angeles. Interesting to read one of our guidance counsellors was involved and questioned things (ie: why the water polo recruitment when we don’t even have a water polo team!!!)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-tip-the-yale-coach-and-the-wire-how-the-college-admissions-scam-unraveled-11552524237

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50 names were given up. Probably thousands more names out there and colleges. Sick. Sick. Sick.

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Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day, with reality tv and book deals, the actresses will come out ahead. The apparently dumb kids will still be set. Some producer is sitting there right now thinking, I can work with this, I can make this happen....

Umm, no. Actually Hollywood doesn't really take kindly to scandals. Whether its wife beaters, rapists, or fraud.

Also both Loughlin and Hoffman are seen as 'every woman', even wholesome, network stars. ESPECIALLY Loughlin.

Their career is over.

And neither is the type or the preferred 'model' for reality tv. They don't have the looks and they aren't bimbos.

Like I said - Loughlin was the wholesome, middle America every woman who starred on a Christian show about love.

Hallmark is going to write her out so fast. They don't do bad publicity.

Wonder if Target will drop Mossimo.

He is indicted along with his wife. If the publicity scandal gets big enough they will. But someone would have to drive up a hell of a stink since I think there's separation between his brand and 'him'.

Unlike Loughlin who probably has a morality clause in her Hallmark contract.

True, but lots of families shop at Target. They will soon know about the scandal and it'll make them pause before buying his brand. I don't know how much bigger a scandal it needs to be. I for one am feeling bad for ever having bought anything from Mossimo and enriching him further.

Fair enough. Guess we'll find out.

LORI LOUGHLIN HAS BEEN FIRED!!! The Queen of Hallmark is officially dethroned.

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/hallmark-channel-cuts-ties-with-lori-loughlin-1203163751/

Hallmark on Thursday said it will no longer work with Lori Loughlin, the Full House actor who has become a staple on the channel over the years, after she was charged in connection with the massive college admissions fraud case.

Loughlin is a series regular on Hallmark's drama When Calls the Heart, which is currently in its sixth season and is one of the most-watched shows on cable TV. All shows in development have stopped production!

Target just dropped Mossimo like a potato.

Mossimo’s licensing deal with Target was renewed several times over the years, but the retailer said it no longer has any association with the fashion designer.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/target-distances-itself-from-mossimo-label-amid-college-admissions-scandal

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I was just at Buckley now and the new truck tried to go in the car pool lane lol

“In late 2017, a guidance counselor at the Buckley School in Sherman Oaks, a suburb of Los Angeles, wanted to know why USC was recruiting Matteo Sloane as a water polo player. The high school didn’t even have a team.

The boy’s father, Devin Sloane, founder and chief executive of aquaTECTURE, a Los Angeles-based company that invests in water-treatment systems, had hired Mr. Singer to bribe a USC official to identify Matteo as an athletic recruit, the affidavit said.

One of the campus officials accused of working with Mr. Singer, Donna Heinel, then the senior associate athletic director at USC, sent an email to the university’s admissions director to explain the discrepancy, according to the affidavit. “He plays at LA Water Polo Club during the year and travels international during the summer with the youth junior team in Italy,” she wrote on April 11. “I don’t know if the people at [his high school] are unaware.”

She added, “He is small but he has a long torso but short strong legs plus he is fast which helps him win the draws to start play after goals are scored.”

USC’s admissions director, not named in court papers, agreed to pass that information along. “They seemed unusually skeptical,” the admissions official said of the Buckley School. A spokeswoman for Buckley didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.”

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*news truck, not new truck!

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So Morrie Tobin was caught up in fraud with SEC so gave up info that his kid got into Yale through fraud. Wow. Is everything just revolving around fraud.