Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

This. Give everyone the same time and let the ones done early leave.

The TRULY exceptional kids can then brag that not only did they get a perfect score, they left with XXX hours to spare. They will take pride in not staying the entire time.

You don’t understand strivers. Plenty of kids in the TJ and Blair magnets will stay until the bitter end checking and re-checking their answers. Because their peers are and it’s an arms race. I had a kid in one of these places.

Meanwhile, kids with low processing speeds now have the same exact time as the Blair and TJ kids. Why is this helpful?

It is unlimited time. The extended time accommodations are not to give one a leg up over those who do not get them which u r implying they are. By removing time constraints, you would be removing the biggest abuse of the system and making it fairer to the poorer and inner city/rural kids. Kids who now get extended time accommodations would not be harmed by this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

My kid used the SAT prep book from College Board which cost less than $15

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.

How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.

EXACTLY!

You can stop it when low scoring athletes stop outperforming the other students in life.

By what measure?

Wealth and influence - Buffett, Gates, Jobs, Bezos, Oprah (not athletes)
Supreme Court justices - no athletes there either
Presidents - not in the last 50 years

My kid didn’t get an athletic admit. But:
- Forget a handful of tech wizzes and presidents, we’re taking a pipeline of thousands to Wall Street over the years. Wall Street *loves* athletes for their hard-driving, team-playing traits. Plus, many athletic recruits are smart enough to go to law school or other professions, where again these personality traits will take them far.
- Alumns donate more when the teams are winning, and universities need the money.

Wall Street hires those kids because they're connected, not because they bring anything special to the table. They're plugged into high-net worth social circles and daddy and grandpa have coin and connections.

Wrong. My kid went to a top ivy and athletic recruits generally don’t come from old money or Goldman CEO families or whatever you’re implying. Not the football, basketball, swimming, or track recruits, for sure. Maybe a few of the equestrian and water polo types, but even those families are more likely to be UMC or maybe law firm equity partners, and Wall Street doesn’t care. If they have connections, it’s from their classmates. But then everybody else in the class brings the same college connections. What athletes bring that’s special is the drive being team players. This really is a thing.

+1

DH and his two brothers super smart and athletic sons of a school bus driver and SAHM. All three athletic recruits (football and track) to Ivies or top 20 SLACs. The two brothers are now very successful on Wall Street. (DH took a different path.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

My kid used the SAT prep book from College Board which cost less than $15

Not everyone can read a book.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

My kid used the SAT prep book from College Board which cost less than $15

Not everyone can read a book.

...

So they shouldn't be going to college, right?

[Anonymous]

Another parent in the scandal falls - Bill McGlashan

Bill McGlashan has resigned from TPG and The Rise Fund, its $2 billion impact-investment platform he co-founded with U2’s Bono, Richard Branson and Jeff Skoll among others.

TPG is the majority owner of CAA and helped launch STX Entertainment among other Hollywood entities. It paid $225 million in equity for a majority stake in the Hollywood agency in 2014. He stepped down from the STX board on Wednesday.



58F. WILLIAM E. McGLASHAN, Jr. https://www.justice.gov/file/1142876/download

130.Defendant WILLIAM E. McGLASHAN, Jr. is a resident of Mill Valley, California. McGLASHAN is a senior executive at a global private equity firm.

131.As set forth below, McGLASHAN participated in both the college entrance exam cheating scheme and the college recruitement scheme, including by conspiring to bribe Donna Heinel, the senior associate athletic director at the University of Southern California (“USC”), to facilitate his son’s admission to USC as a recruited athlete.15

132.CW-1 has advised law enforcement agents that McGLASHAN agreed to make a purported donation of $50,000 to KWF, with the understanding that CW-1 would arrange for CW-2 to serve as a purported proctor for McGLASHAN’s son’s ACT exam at a test center that CW-1 “controlled,” and that CW-2 would, in exchange for money, correct his son’s answers after the test was completed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.

How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.

EXACTLY!

You can stop it when low scoring athletes stop outperforming the other students in life.

By what measure?

Wealth and influence - Buffett, Gates, Jobs, Bezos, Oprah (not athletes)
Supreme Court justices - no athletes there either
Presidents - not in the last 50 years

Uh, wrong. Starting with Kavanaugh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.

How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.

EXACTLY!

You can stop it when low scoring athletes stop outperforming the other students in life.

By what measure?

Wealth and influence - Buffett, Gates, Jobs, Bezos, Oprah (not athletes)
Supreme Court justices - no athletes there either
Presidents - not in the last 50 years

Uh, wrong. Starting with Kavanaugh.

And Byron White was an all-american football player.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

Well here’s a newsflash....if you don’t care enough to find a way to access free resources then maybe you don’t belong at Harvard or other highly selective schools. The world needs truck drivers too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

Well here’s a newsflash....if you don’t care enough to find a way to access free resources then maybe you don’t belong at Harvard or other highly selective schools. The world needs truck drivers too.

Brilliant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

If Kahn is just as good as anything else, why would anyone pay for expensive tutoring or exam prep?

Or is it that Kahn gives you something to point to, but you can get better results with what the wealthy are willing to pay for, for their kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

If Kahn is just as good as anything else, why would anyone pay for expensive tutoring or exam prep?

Or is it that Kahn gives you something to point to, but you can get better results with what the wealthy are willing to pay for, for their kids?

If a 20-year-old Subaru is good enough to move from A to B, why would anyone buy flashy BMWs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

This. Give everyone the same time and let the ones done early leave.

The TRULY exceptional kids can then brag that not only did they get a perfect score, they left with XXX hours to spare. They will take pride in not staying the entire time.

You don’t understand strivers. Plenty of kids in the TJ and Blair magnets will stay until the bitter end checking and re-checking their answers. Because their peers are and it’s an arms race. I had a kid in one of these places.

Meanwhile, kids with low processing speeds now have the same exact time as the Blair and TJ kids. Why is this helpful?

It is unlimited time. The extended time accommodations are not to give one a leg up over those who do not get them which u r implying they are. By removing time constraints, you would be removing the biggest abuse of the system and making it fairer to the poorer and inner city/rural kids. Kids who now get extended time accommodations would not be harmed by this.

So you go home at 10pm to sleep when the janitorial staff are closing the building, you look up the answers overnight, and then you return the next day all ready to ace the test? Or the school provides internet-free room and board for, what, up to a week, for test takers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

Well here’s a newsflash....if you don’t care enough to find a way to access free resources then maybe you don’t belong at Harvard or other highly selective schools. The world needs truck drivers too.

Are you saying the free resources are remotely equivalent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

If Kahn is just as good as anything else, why would anyone pay for expensive tutoring or exam prep?

Or is it that Kahn gives you something to point to, but you can get better results with what the wealthy are willing to pay for, for their kids?

If a 20-year-old Subaru is good enough to move from A to B, why would anyone buy flashy BMWs?

So you are saying wealthy UC/UMC are paying a lot of money for specialized exam prep and tutoring, just because it's more flashy -- althought the results are exactly the same?

Really?