Girl Raped at Rockville HS

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These parents are protesting immigration, when they should be protesting sexual attacks against women and children by Christians.

I have caught a lot of flack for trying to keep the immigration status and ethnicity of the suspects out of the discussion (admittedly unsuccessfully), so I would ask that you not make this a religious issue. Moreover, as I'm sure you know, it is almost certain that the suspects are both Christians. So, in a sense, those parents are doing what you suggest.

Jeff, I hate to make your life harder but I want to point out one thing. How come it is ok to talk about race, ethnicity, immigration status and religion in almost all conversations in this country now - but not on the MD Schools forum?

Religion is very much in play in our daily lives at schools now. Muslims can be vilified for covering their head or praying at schools (all in the news lately). And if travel bans can be imposed on Muslims, if Sikhs can be shot because they wear a turban, swastikas can be drawn, synagogues can be desecrated...then religion is very much part of the conversation, is it not?. What would have been the reaction if two Somalian-American Muslim boys were the accused in the HS rape? Even though they would have been citizens, their origin, skin color, religion would have become important. So, when Christians are doing the same crimes, why are we to keep quite?

Furthermore, we are not even sure now if this was a forced rape or consensual encounter that went too far. The fact that these boys did not flee the school is pretty telling. But, this is not what is being discussed on this forum is it? The thread about security becomes talks about illegal immigrants or non-Whites. Well, I am not able to flee anywhere even when I know that Christians are providing me the reasons to leave.

I completely agree that the fact that they did not flee the school is very telling. It makes me think that they've RAPED before and gotten away with it, so they weren't even the slightest bit worried that they would get in trouble. It makes me think that they've gotten away breaking the law so many other times (think, crossing the border ILLEGALLY), that they're not afraid of punishment.

They dragged a 14 year old into the bathroom, and the one attacker threw her coat over her head on the way out. This was NOT CONSENSUAL. She was 14. Repeat that to yourself.

I'm not sure how going back to class is indicative of anything. It would be the only logical thing to do if they intended to get away with it. Act like everything is normal. If they fled the school that would be virtually admitting to doing something wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Adding to the above, I feel that would offer reassurance to the community, to know that she is being properly cared for and I can't imagine why it wasn't mentioned.

This.

How about a sentence saying the girl was treated at an unnamed hospital and released to family/friends.

Not even a word.

I understand you can't say anything about her (rightfully so), but you can at least pretend to care about what happened to her after the rape, (Oh sorry, I mean 'incident'.)

Why do you need to know the name of the hospital.

There are only about 3 SANE nurses in the whole county. She was seen by a SANE nurse. I don't think it is up to the county to educate the public about how rape victims are treated since up until now you could not care less about rape victims and you still don't care about the other 200 victims in the past year. You only care about the ones that can support your Xenaphobia.

WTH?
Firstly, NOBODY said to name the hospital.
And, why the diatribe against nurses? What in the hell are you talking about and what exactly is your point (other than that you don’t like nurses)?

A SANE nurse refers to a Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner. They receive special training. PP's post was not a diatribe against nurses.

That being said, PP how do you know the victim was seen by a SANE nurse?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Adding to the above, I feel that would offer reassurance to the community, to know that she is being properly cared for and I can't imagine why it wasn't mentioned.

This.

How about a sentence saying the girl was treated at an unnamed hospital and released to family/friends.

Not even a word.

I understand you can't say anything about her (rightfully so), but you can at least pretend to care about what happened to her after the rape, (Oh sorry, I mean 'incident'.)

Why do you need to know the name of the hospital.

There are only about 3 SANE nurses in the whole county. She was seen by a SANE nurse. I don't think it is up to the county to educate the public about how rape victims are treated since up until now you could not care less about rape victims and you still don't care about the other 200 victims in the past year. You only care about the ones that can support your Xenaphobia.

WTH?
Firstly, NOBODY said to name the hospital.
And, why the diatribe against nurses? What in the hell are you talking about and what exactly is your point (other than that you don’t like nurses)?

SANE = sexual assault nurse examiner

[Anonymous]

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I completely agree that the fact that they did not flee the school is very telling. It makes me think that they've RAPED before and gotten away with it, so they weren't even the slightest bit worried that they would get in trouble. It makes me think that they've gotten away breaking the law so many other times (think, crossing the border ILLEGALLY), that they're not afraid of punishment.

They dragged a 14 year old into the bathroom, and the one attacker threw her coat over her head on the way out. This was NOT CONSENSUAL. She was 14. Repeat that to yourself.

Do we get to make up our own facts now?

It's depressing how many posters on DCUM (or maybe it's only one poster, posting multiple times) think that they can tell everything about a person's age and past life, based on a single mug shot.

[Anonymous]

MCPS touts itself as a wonderful school system but it is plagued with inept administrators (all the way up to central office administration) who cover up for incompetent staff! In this particular situation, it appears that it took the governor to get them to fully cooperate with law enforcement! Parents need to stop taking what MCPS says as the truth and start advocating for change and for their children. If you leave it in the hands of their staff, who knows what you will get!

[Anonymous]

12:29, Please read the police report before you spout more nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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I completely agree that the fact that they did not flee the school is very telling. It makes me think that they've RAPED before and gotten away with it, so they weren't even the slightest bit worried that they would get in trouble. It makes me think that they've gotten away breaking the law so many other times (think, crossing the border ILLEGALLY), that they're not afraid of punishment.

They dragged a 14 year old into the bathroom, and the one attacker threw her coat over her head on the way out. This was NOT CONSENSUAL. She was 14. Repeat that to yourself.

Do we get to make up our own facts now?

It's depressing how many posters on DCUM (or maybe it's only one poster, posting multiple times) think that they can tell everything about a person's age and past life, based on a single mug shot.

I'm the poster you're quoting.

No, I was responding to the PP before me who had concluded that the sex was consensual because the boys stayed in the school. I was just pointing out that the fact that the boys, no wait, they were MEN, stayed in school could just as easily be for other reasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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I completely agree that the fact that they did not flee the school is very telling. It makes me think that they've RAPED before and gotten away with it, so they weren't even the slightest bit worried that they would get in trouble. It makes me think that they've gotten away breaking the law so many other times (think, crossing the border ILLEGALLY), that they're not afraid of punishment.

They dragged a 14 year old into the bathroom, and the one attacker threw her coat over her head on the way out. This was NOT CONSENSUAL. She was 14. Repeat that to yourself.

Do we get to make up our own facts now?

It's depressing how many posters on DCUM (or maybe it's only one poster, posting multiple times) think that they can tell everything about a person's age and past life, based on a single mug shot.

I'm the poster you're quoting.

No, I was responding to the PP before me who had concluded that the sex was consensual because the boys stayed in the school. I was just pointing out that the fact that the boys, no wait, they were MEN, stayed in school could just as easily be for other reasons.

Also, where does it seem like I'm presenting facts? I very specifically say that 'it makes me think' that.

Not my issue if you can't read critically for yourself.

And I agree with the PP. Read the police report.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adding to the above, I feel that would offer reassurance to the community, to know that she is being properly cared for and I can't imagine why it wasn't mentioned.

This.

How about a sentence saying the girl was treated at an unnamed hospital and released to family/friends.

Not even a word.

I understand you can't say anything about her (rightfully so), but you can at least pretend to care about what happened to her after the rape, (Oh sorry, I mean 'incident'.)

Why do you need to know the name of the hospital.

There are only about 3 SANE nurses in the whole county. She was seen by a SANE nurse. I don't think it is up to the county to educate the public about how rape victims are treated since up until now you could not care less about rape victims and you still don't care about the other 200 victims in the past year. You only care about the ones that can support your Xenaphobia.

WTH?
Firstly, NOBODY said to name the hospital.
And, why the diatribe against nurses? What in the hell are you talking about and what exactly is your point (other than that you don’t like nurses)?

A SANE nurse refers to a Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner. They receive special training. PP's post was not a diatribe against nurses.

That being said, PP how do you know the victim was seen by a SANE nurse?

OMG! So into saving the raped and has not clue what a SANE nurse is... the ignorance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The light bulb has been turned on and citizens are becoming aware of policies that have been enacted largely in secret Closed Session meetings. Parents have been intentionally kept in the dark about the number of undocumented immigrants in local schools and how they have been integrated into the classroom. Now that they are aware, change will happen. Parents will not stand for business as usual.

Exactly.

Parents are now being made aware that there are:
Illegal immigrants flooding MCPS schools and using a large amount of its resources
Criminals (immigrants or not) allowed to be in the same English class as sweet Snowflake because MCPS allows them to come to class with everyone else.

Jack, when asked by a parent at the meeting Tuesday night if known criminals are allowed in classes at MCPS, said "yes". MCPS is a public educator and, therefore, has to educate the illegals, criminals, stoners, weirdos and freaks. Everyone.

If you don't want your kid to be in that environment, then you have two options: Private or homeschooling. And if you can't afford to do either, then you can hope for DeVos to come in and start handing out some vouchers so you can get out of this shithole of a school system.

Is this really news to MCPS parents. Most their kids drink and smoke pot so they are actually criminals. So they not only know criminals are in the classroom they lobby to keep criminals in the classroom.

No, I am not talking about potheads that smoke in the basement while the parents are upstairs. I am talking about straight-up, criminals with ankle bracelets, parole officers, the whole nine.

I have personal anecdotes, if you want them. I have had, on average, two per year in the 15 years I have been teaching in MCPS.

These boys did not have ankle-bracelets or parole officers. Their only crime at the time was walking into the US. Walking.

I don't have anecdotes I have hard facts from law enforcement, statistics... there are over 200 rapes per year in Montgomery county, very few perpetrators are Hispanic and less are illegal Hispanics. MOST RAPISTS are white... all of them are boys.

The cold hard truth is that most RAPISTS are the pot heads and alcoholics that drink in their parent's basement.... white boys.

What matters here..........This poor young girl would not have been brutally rapes if these two scumbags had not been in the country. Period.
Try telling her parents how many white boys rape girls.

Unless you have a time machine you can't stop past rapes. I thought you want to make sure girls are safe in the future. How to protect girls from future rapes. You don't care about protecting girls from future rapes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I completely agree that the fact that they did not flee the school is very telling. It makes me think that they've RAPED before and gotten away with it, so they weren't even the slightest bit worried that they would get in trouble. It makes me think that they've gotten away breaking the law so many other times (think, crossing the border ILLEGALLY), that they're not afraid of punishment.

They dragged a 14 year old into the bathroom, and the one attacker threw her coat over her head on the way out. This was NOT CONSENSUAL. She was 14. Repeat that to yourself.

Do we get to make up our own facts now?

It's depressing how many posters on DCUM (or maybe it's only one poster, posting multiple times) think that they can tell everything about a person's age and past life, based on a single mug shot.

I'm the poster you're quoting.

No, I was responding to the PP before me who had concluded that the sex was consensual because the boys stayed in the school. I was just pointing out that the fact that the boys, no wait, they were MEN, stayed in school could just as easily be for other reasons.

Now a 17 and an 18 year old are men? One would think the opposite after reading most other threads on this board where parents lament that too much is expected of their 17/18 KIDS and they are under too much prsssure. But of course on this thread a 17 and 18 year old are MEN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The light bulb has been turned on and citizens are becoming aware of policies that have been enacted largely in secret Closed Session meetings. Parents have been intentionally kept in the dark about the number of undocumented immigrants in local schools and how they have been integrated into the classroom. Now that they are aware, change will happen. Parents will not stand for business as usual.

Exactly.

Parents are now being made aware that there are:
Illegal immigrants flooding MCPS schools and using a large amount of its resources
Criminals (immigrants or not) allowed to be in the same English class as sweet Snowflake because MCPS allows them to come to class with everyone else.

Jack, when asked by a parent at the meeting Tuesday night if known criminals are allowed in classes at MCPS, said "yes". MCPS is a public educator and, therefore, has to educate the illegals, criminals, stoners, weirdos and freaks. Everyone.

If you don't want your kid to be in that environment, then you have two options: Private or homeschooling. And if you can't afford to do either, then you can hope for DeVos to come in and start handing out some vouchers so you can get out of this shithole of a school system.

Is this really news to MCPS parents. Most their kids drink and smoke pot so they are actually criminals. So they not only know criminals are in the classroom they lobby to keep criminals in the classroom.

No, I am not talking about potheads that smoke in the basement while the parents are upstairs. I am talking about straight-up, criminals with ankle bracelets, parole officers, the whole nine.

I have personal anecdotes, if you want them. I have had, on average, two per year in the 15 years I have been teaching in MCPS.

These boys did not have ankle-bracelets or parole officers. Their only crime at the time was walking into the US. Walking.

I don't have anecdotes I have hard facts from law enforcement, statistics... there are over 200 rapes per year in Montgomery county, very few perpetrators are Hispanic and less are illegal Hispanics. MOST RAPISTS are white... all of them are boys.

The cold hard truth is that most RAPISTS are the pot heads and alcoholics that drink in their parent's basement.... white boys.

What matters here..........This poor young girl would not have been brutally rapes if these two scumbags had not been in the country. Period.
Try telling her parents how many white boys rape girls.

Unless you have a time machine you can't stop past rapes. I thought you want to make sure girls are safe in the future. How to protect girls from future rapes. You don't care about protecting girls from future rapes?

Oh, I am all for finding ways to prevent future rapes.
How about we think about exactly WHO we allow into our country? How about we think about where the people are coming from, what type of culture they are coming from, what are their backgrounds? What about if we think about how well they may integrate into our culture?
Of course, to do all this, we need to be sure they are entering our country LEGALLY.
But, there are some who don’t think this is important...........you appear to be one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The light bulb has been turned on and citizens are becoming aware of policies that have been enacted largely in secret Closed Session meetings. Parents have been intentionally kept in the dark about the number of undocumented immigrants in local schools and how they have been integrated into the classroom. Now that they are aware, change will happen. Parents will not stand for business as usual.

Exactly.

Parents are now being made aware that there are:
Illegal immigrants flooding MCPS schools and using a large amount of its resources
Criminals (immigrants or not) allowed to be in the same English class as sweet Snowflake because MCPS allows them to come to class with everyone else.

Jack, when asked by a parent at the meeting Tuesday night if known criminals are allowed in classes at MCPS, said "yes". MCPS is a public educator and, therefore, has to educate the illegals, criminals, stoners, weirdos and freaks. Everyone.

If you don't want your kid to be in that environment, then you have two options: Private or homeschooling. And if you can't afford to do either, then you can hope for DeVos to come in and start handing out some vouchers so you can get out of this shithole of a school system.

Is this really news to MCPS parents. Most their kids drink and smoke pot so they are actually criminals. So they not only know criminals are in the classroom they lobby to keep criminals in the classroom.

No, I am not talking about potheads that smoke in the basement while the parents are upstairs. I am talking about straight-up, criminals with ankle bracelets, parole officers, the whole nine.

I have personal anecdotes, if you want them. I have had, on average, two per year in the 15 years I have been teaching in MCPS.

These boys did not have ankle-bracelets or parole officers. Their only crime at the time was walking into the US. Walking.

I don't have anecdotes I have hard facts from law enforcement, statistics... there are over 200 rapes per year in Montgomery county, very few perpetrators are Hispanic and less are illegal Hispanics. MOST RAPISTS are white... all of them are boys.

The cold hard truth is that most RAPISTS are the pot heads and alcoholics that drink in their parent's basement.... white boys.

What matters here..........This poor young girl would not have been brutally rapes if these two scumbags had not been in the country. Period.
Try telling her parents how many white boys rape girls.

Unless you have a time machine you can't stop past rapes. I thought you want to make sure girls are safe in the future. How to protect girls from future rapes. You don't care about protecting girls from future rapes?

Oh, I am all for finding ways to prevent future rapes.
How about we think about exactly WHO we allow into our country? How about we think about where the people are coming from, what type of culture they are coming from, what are their backgrounds? What about if we think about how well they may integrate into our culture?
Of course, to do all this, we need to be sure they are entering our country LEGALLY.
But, there are some who don’t think this is important...........you appear to be one of them.

The above poster is exactly correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I completely agree that the fact that they did not flee the school is very telling. It makes me think that they've RAPED before and gotten away with it, so they weren't even the slightest bit worried that they would get in trouble. It makes me think that they've gotten away breaking the law so many other times (think, crossing the border ILLEGALLY), that they're not afraid of punishment.

They dragged a 14 year old into the bathroom, and the one attacker threw her coat over her head on the way out. This was NOT CONSENSUAL. She was 14. Repeat that to yourself.

Do we get to make up our own facts now?

It's depressing how many posters on DCUM (or maybe it's only one poster, posting multiple times) think that they can tell everything about a person's age and past life, based on a single mug shot.

I'm the poster you're quoting.

No, I was responding to the PP before me who had concluded that the sex was consensual because the boys stayed in the school. I was just pointing out that the fact that the boys, no wait, they were MEN, stayed in school could just as easily be for other reasons.

Now a 17 and an 18 year old are men? One would think the opposite after reading most other threads on this board where parents lament that too much is expected of their 17/18 KIDS and they are under too much prsssure. But of course on this thread a 17 and 18 year old are MEN.

Not sure if you're the same poster that just keeps spewing out nonsense posts, but WTF?

I'm not the only sole person saying an 18 year old is a man, that's just the age of adulthood in this country. 18 year olds can vote, go into the military, and are considered adults. Plus, he's facing charges AS AN ADULT. Do you disagree with that FACT? Read any of the reports. The 18 year old is being charged as an adult.

I have never ever commented that my 18 year old is under too much pressure because I don't have an 18 year old.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, if these guys get to stay in the US I am going to become a trump supporter. Crazy. While I agree all kids should have a right to an education, why does an 18 year old qualify? Shouldn't there be an age limit for kids enrolling in High School. Maybe there should be an adult education center.

I hope you are advocating to eliminate red shirting.

Oh come on. This is not about red shirting.
This is about putting someone who has attended little or no school, and who is nearly 18, and would be working or training in a trade in every other country on the planet !! , in school for four (!) years, on taxpayers' money, while they are not supposed to be in this country in the first place.

Actually, no, it's not about immigration policy, it's about the rape of a high school student. Remember her? First she's the victim of a brutal rape, then all of the so-called "conservative" media in the country, and even the press secretary, further victimize her by using her rape to further their factually-false claim that unauthorized immigrants, as a group, are a menace to society.

I don't agree with this. I could make the claim that YOU are also victimizing her by using her to further your liberal agenda that illegal immigrants should be welcomed with open arms.

+ 1000

IF these guys have been deported (not catch and release!!), this girl will not be the victim.

Yes, and I support deporting their parents if they are here illegally even if they haven't committed any other crimes.

To stay in the US and work without proper employment authorization requires a range of fraudulent, criminal activities. It almost always requires identify theft and tax fraud. Past that, laws on things like drivers licenses, car registration and insurance, zoning, and others are frequently flaunted.