Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
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Anonymous
This is true. It's really a cultural thing rather than a religious thing, though that exacerbates the problem. I'm East Asian and a Christian, and in my parent's generation, boys were definitely treated differently to girls, expectations were different. There is still a bit of this today, but not as much as during my parent's generation, or even when I was younger. I also see many Christian men (and women) behave in a very un-Christian like manner when it comes to treating others. |
Anonymous
I love that the french are looking after the safety of the french people muslim and non muslim PC be damned. Has there been a female suicide bomber who didnt dress in hijab and burka? From all stories i read no there hasnt. There was a hard partying muslim girl who suddenly turned extremist and traded her slutty clubwear for a burka and a hijab before bombing herself in a building and killing dozens of people and a police dog. |
Anonymous
The woman in the Nice beach is a French citizen. She just happened to be brown and non-Christian. "She was described as a former air-hostess from Toulouse whose family members have been French citizens for at least three generations" https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/world/2016/08/24/french-mother-ordered-to-remove-burkini-will-fight-fine.html But you will of course come back and say "the fact that she is third generation and still uses Muslim dress norms shows that she needs to go!" "Witness Mathilde Cusin reportedly said: “I saw three police officers watching the beach. One of them had his finger on the trigger of his tear gas device, no doubt containing pepper.” “The sad thing is that people were screaming (to the mother) ‘go home!,’ ” Cusin said. Some bystanders applauded the police as her daughter cried, Cusin said." |
Anonymous
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Hard partying convert who donned hijab and burka to kill all in a french building
http://nypost.com/2015/11/20/skanky-suicide-bomber-used-to-be-a-selfie-taking-party-animal/ |
Anonymous
In that case, we should not allow white families to own guns because 99% of the school shooters have been white male - PC be damned. |
Anonymous
You are a dummy, aren't you? She wasn't wearing a burka when she reportedly blew herself up. (By the way, it was later reported that someone else, a guy, was the person who detonated the bomb. Look it up). By the way, what she is wearing in the photo is not a burka. Finally, how is the the fact that she wore a veil (not a burka, not a burkini) in some random picture related to the subject of this thread? Oh that is right. A criminal wore a hijab. It follows that all people wearing a hijab are criminals. |
Anonymous
So what was she wearing and where is your evidence? Whatever the wear she was covering up and was no longer wearing clubwear. Even the relative in the article says she now wore traditional clothing. Unless you are the relative how would you know? The point is the french banned headscarves at one point and will probably do it again PC be damned. |
Anonymous
She is not the person who activated the vest. It was a guy. Where is *your* evidence supporting your initial statement that "she donned hijab and burka to kill in a building" which is your failed attempt to link the wearing of a burkini at a beach and this incident. If she had been wearing a fricking burka inside a building, it would have been reported. And a burka is used outside the house. But all these issues are irrelevant. By the way, France has not banned headscarves. Please try to have a minimum of knowledge before posting. You obviously want to conflate the use of a burkini in a beach with the fact that a criminal wore a hijab and burka. If you think the second somewhat justifies the first you need to have you head examined -- not for the presence of bigotry, which you obviously have, but for the absence of logic. |
Anonymous
| ^^ if you think the second justifies *a ban* on the first, I meant. |
Anonymous
Her relative said in articles she started to wear traditional clothing before the attack. Her intent was to kill people so what does it matter who committed suicide with her? France did ban headscarves in the past look it up. Try to have some minimal knowledge about what you are posting dummy. I am not conflating. The french are not bigoted but taking care of their people and being cautious of further attacks. |
Anonymous
Half right. They progressed along with the rest of the us for the most part, then some countries regressed or radicalized. But most countries were very modern. |
Anonymous
1. This criminal became radicalized and began to use traditional clothing, including a hijab (which many law-abiding perfectly normal French women and American women of the Muslim faith use), and a burka. According to your twisted logic, the fact that she used traditional clothing at some point is somehow related to the debate about the use of a head cover and long sleeves in the beach. 2. The outdated and factually incorrect article you quoted does not include the words hijab or burka, yet you misleadingly stated that she donned a hijab and burka at the same time she tried to lure the police into the building, in your pathetic attempt to somehow argue that this particular incident justifies a burkini ban. 3. The French have not banned the use of headscarves. There was a law in 2010 banning the use of the burka in public, and a law limiting the use of headscarves in schools, not in public. You obviously don't know that a headscarve is different from a burka, and a burka is different from a burkini, the latter being created in Australia by a Muslim designer about 10 years ago. 4. You are an idiot and don't realize it. |
Anonymous
| By the way, A burkini is basically a wetsuit with a hood. It cannot be used to carry a bomb vest. The debate about banning the burkini is not about "security" or preventing suicide bombers, but about "secularism and the values of the republic" -- or more precisely, using those concepts to discriminate againts French citizens of a certain faith. |
Anonymous
What the hell are you talking about? The article about the skanky muslim is outdated no duh because it did not happen recently. My god you are so stupid. Educate yourself better please. Fucking idiot. This principle is supposed to keep religion out of public life, and has been the basis of previous French bans: on the headscarf (and other “conspicuous” religious symbols, including the Jewish kippah and oversized crucifixes) in state schools (in 2004), and the face-covering niqab in all public places (in 2010). The other principle is women’s equality. It may appear bizarre, or frivolous, to argue that women should bare more flesh. But many on the French left in particular regard the need to protect women from a male-imposed doctrine as being at stake—and are willing to put it even before liberty, another founding value of republican France. The logic of the burkini, says Laurence Rossignol, the Socialist women’s minister, is to “hide women’s bodies in order better to control them”. Advertisement Over the years, such efforts have long been met with dismay, if not derision, outside France. When the French began to debate a ban on the burqa in 2009, for instance, Barack Obama declared in Cairo that Western countries should avoid “dictating what clothes a Muslim woman should wear” under “the pretence of liberalism”. Some civil-liberties groups within France have tried—but so far failed—to get the burkini ban overturned in the courts. Yet French governments bristle at the notion that their various attempts to defend laïcité amount to intolerance or an infringement of the freedom of expression. They may note that in 2014 the European Court of Human Rights upheld France’s burqa ban. What outsiders fail to understand, the French argue, is that such body wear is not just a casual choice but part of an attempt by political Islamism to win recruits and test the resilience of the French republic. Mr Valls dismisses as naive those who see it as being no different than a wetsuit. The burkini, he says, is part of a “political project”, and complacency plays into the hands of Islamists. The difficulty is that, after a series of deadly terrorist attacks over the past 18 months, France is in a state of heightened tension. http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/08/economist-explains-19 |
Anonymous
1. The article originally posted was factually incorrect. It wasn't her who activated the bomb. The original poster tried to justify the burkini ban arguing that there were previous incidents of radicalized women using traditional clothing to do suicide bombings. There has been exactly zero such cases. This factually incorrect article was soon correct at that time, thus becoming outdated *at that time already*. Of course, whether she activated the vest is irrelevant -- except that you tried to use that argument when attempting to justify a burkini ban. 2. You need to learn how to copy and paste ( "Advertisement"). More importantly, the two paragraphs you copied and pasted have nothing to do with your initial argument "burkini ban is needed because I misread an inaccurate article that said that a criminal once wore a hijab, which shows in my little head that burkini ban will solve the risk of female suicide bombers"" 3. Using an expletive doesn't make your argument stronger. 4. You are still an idiot. |