Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Why yes you can.

They are not citizens. They are guests and/or people who are choosing to come to this country and people we are allowing to be part of this country.

So yes, we can enforce non-citizens to follow the societal norms of our country. If they do not come to make our country a better place, if they do not believe that women (including their daughters and wives) are equal and self governing beings free to make their own choices, then they must be taught this as a condition of being allowed the privelege of being a part of this country. If they cannot or refuse to follow these basic (secular) norms and standards of liberty, then they do not belong here.

It is really quite simple and has nothing to do with religion. It is simply accepting basic secular societal norms of western civilization.

After all, isn't this what we are told over and over on dcum, that this kind of treatment of women and girls is not religious and has nothing to do with the teachings of islam? That it is cultural and not religious?

You can force newcomers to abide by social norms of the country by applying to them the same laws that apply to everyone else. If someone harasses you in a coffee shop, that's the matter for the police. If someone keeps their children from school, that's for the CPS. But if someone wants to live by conservative principles of their religion and be a willing homemaker and wife that prefers for her husband to make most decisions, that's a family matter, and there's nothing you can, or should do. The secular norms of western civilization is that religion does not determine public life and law. It isn't that everyone acts as if they have no religion.

And lol at your silly assertion that newcomers should somehow embrace liberty and equal rights but citizens of this country are under no such obligation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why yes you can.

They are not citizens. They are guests and/or people who are choosing to come to this country and people we are allowing to be part of this country.

So yes, we can enforce non-citizens to follow the societal norms of our country. If they do not come to make our country a better place, if they do not believe that women (including their daughters and wives) are equal and self governing beings free to make their own choices, then they must be taught this as a condition of being allowed the privelege of being a part of this country. If they cannot or refuse to follow these basic (secular) norms and standards of liberty, then they do not belong here.

It is really quite simple and has nothing to do with religion. It is simply accepting basic secular societal norms of western civilization.

After all, isn't this what we are told over and over on dcum, that this kind of treatment of women and girls is not religious and has nothing to do with the teachings of islam? That it is cultural and not religious?

You can force newcomers to abide by social norms of the country by applying to them the same laws that apply to everyone else. If someone harasses you in a coffee shop, that's the matter for the police. If someone keeps their children from school, that's for the CPS. But if someone wants to live by conservative principles of their religion and be a willing homemaker and wife that prefers for her husband to make most decisions, that's a family matter, and there's nothing you can, or should do. The secular norms of western civilization is that religion does not determine public life and law. It isn't that everyone acts as if they have no religion.

And lol at your silly assertion that newcomers should somehow embrace liberty and equal rights but citizens of this country are under no such obligation.

This absolutely should be required. Newcomers choosing to join our country should be taught and required to follow our secular social norms as a condition for being allowed into this country as a guest.

There is nothing silly here except your repeated statements that they should not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why yes you can.

They are not citizens. They are guests and/or people who are choosing to come to this country and people we are allowing to be part of this country.

So yes, we can enforce non-citizens to follow the societal norms of our country. If they do not come to make our country a better place, if they do not believe that women (including their daughters and wives) are equal and self governing beings free to make their own choices, then they must be taught this as a condition of being allowed the privelege of being a part of this country. If they cannot or refuse to follow these basic (secular) norms and standards of liberty, then they do not belong here.

It is really quite simple and has nothing to do with religion. It is simply accepting basic secular societal norms of western civilization.

After all, isn't this what we are told over and over on dcum, that this kind of treatment of women and girls is not religious and has nothing to do with the teachings of islam? That it is cultural and not religious?

You can force newcomers to abide by social norms of the country by applying to them the same laws that apply to everyone else. If someone harasses you in a coffee shop, that's the matter for the police. If someone keeps their children from school, that's for the CPS. But if someone wants to live by conservative principles of their religion and be a willing homemaker and wife that prefers for her husband to make most decisions, that's a family matter, and there's nothing you can, or should do. The secular norms of western civilization is that religion does not determine public life and law. It isn't that everyone acts as if they have no religion.

And lol at your silly assertion that newcomers should somehow embrace liberty and equal rights but citizens of this country are under no such obligation.

This absolutely should be required. Newcomers choosing to join our country should be taught and required to follow our secular social norms as a condition for being allowed into this country as a guest.

There is nothing silly here except your repeated statements that they should not.

The American social norm of secularity is that religion does not dictate public life, not that all individuals excise religion from their private lives. As best I can tell, the newcomers aren't insisting that you must comply by the rules of their religion, nor is America in any danger of being run by Islamic laws. So they are, in fact, in full compliance with the American concept of secularity.