Kim kardashian just released video of Taylor Swift's convo on her snapchat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. Team Kimye. White woman.

I am a taylor fan (musically and even personally, I think she's a great model for a successful female for young girls). I am not really a Kanye fan or a KK fan (although I think a lot of people underestimate her business acumen considering the length of time she's kept her brand relevant and how she's translated it into a lot of businesses. Also all you people saying Kanye isn't talented are smoking crack, he might not be my cup of tea but he's a really stellar lyricist.

This is totally her getting caught in a lie. Everyone talking about how they're bad for recording it...wtf, you're only mad because it clearly exposes her lie and makes her look bad. TS screwed up, she should own it and apologize. She used an opportunity to make the world see that she and Kanye had gotten over their fued and then took a calculated risk by throwing him under the bus to get another round of, 'kanye stabbed TS in the back AGAIN' press. And it didn't work. And there are totally racial undertones to this, and IMO she manipulated this to seem like a sexist thing when it clearly was not which is a disservice to women everywhere who experience real sexism.

I don't know if all you defenders are just reading the transcript and not listening? Because she does NOT sound like she's trying to play nice. She sounds like a peer talking to a peer. Sorry TS, Kimye just checkmated you.

Totally agree with your whole post PP. I have posted before that I think Kanye seems like an A$$whole, but I totally believe him. Also for those that say he isn't talented, you clearly have never really listened to any of his music (other than what you hear on pop radio). To know most of his really good music you would have to listen to his less mainstream music (what's not on the radio). "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" is really a phenomenal album. It is true genius.

I also think KK releasing this call shows how devoted she is to her husband. She's not going to let anyone bring him down or try to destroy him. Isn't that what most wives should do if they can? I would for my DH.

[Anonymous]

Team Kanye

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. Taylor is a disingenuous poser. The jig is up. She can take issue with any and every minute aspect of that song if she chooses, to no avail. She's grasping at straws. She's been exposed as a fake.

What? She is still a talented musician. I am a Taylor fan because I like her music. Period, end of. I couldn't care less about her personal life. In the grand scheme of things, this is a blip. Taylor will release a new record and do a new tour and see major success yet again. I'm sure she'll win a slew of Grammys again in the future because at the end of the day, she writes catchy tunes and people like her music. Kim K is hanging on to fame by her fingernails. She is desperate and pathetic.

Her success does not exist without the finely crafted narrative of her "personal life".

From Vox:

"Taylor Swift and her success are a strange phenomenon. Critics and her biggest fans will openly tell you that she doesn’t have the best voice or the best technical skills. Her songwriting, while impossibly catchy, isn’t mind-blowing or complex.

What she’s fantastic at is creating songs that crystallize a messy, usually teenage feeling that somehow speaks to everyone, even people who have never felt it, and weave it in with slips of her personal life. The personal life part of that skill is crucial.

Every song she’s released throughout her career, every post she’s shared on social media — it’s all helped paint a portrait of Swift as your best friend. Her latest album, her tour, her Instagram photos, and her Facebook posts are all wrapped around the fantasy of being her pal and joining her coven of female friendship. With some pop stars, you want to be them; with Taylor Swift, you just wanna hang out with her.

Kardashian’s Snapchat video cuts through that veneer — throwing doubt on what your BFF Taylor Swift is telling you, making you wonder, well, if Taylor could lie about that conversation with West, what else could she be lying about?"

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/18/12210858/kim-kardashian-taylor-swift-snapchat-kanye-west

Eh, I think if you're young, tall, blonde, skinny and can write "impossibly catchy" songs, you'd be successful even without the carefully crafted image.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Team Kimye. White woman.

I am a taylor fan (musically and even personally, I think she's a great model for a successful female for young girls). I am not really a Kanye fan or a KK fan (although I think a lot of people underestimate her business acumen considering the length of time she's kept her brand relevant and how she's translated it into a lot of businesses. Also all you people saying Kanye isn't talented are smoking crack, he might not be my cup of tea but he's a really stellar lyricist.

This is totally her getting caught in a lie. Everyone talking about how they're bad for recording it...wtf, you're only mad because it clearly exposes her lie and makes her look bad. TS screwed up, she should own it and apologize. She used an opportunity to make the world see that she and Kanye had gotten over their fued and then took a calculated risk by throwing him under the bus to get another round of, 'kanye stabbed TS in the back AGAIN' press. And it didn't work. And there are totally racial undertones to this, and IMO she manipulated this to seem like a sexist thing when it clearly was not which is a disservice to women everywhere who experience real sexism.

I don't know if all you defenders are just reading the transcript and not listening? Because she does NOT sound like she's trying to play nice. She sounds like a peer talking to a peer. Sorry TS, Kimye just checkmated you.

Me three. Also a white woman and a Swift fan. But she was wrong here.

Totally agree with your whole post PP. I have posted before that I think Kanye seems like an A$$whole, but I totally believe him. Also for those that say he isn't talented, you clearly have never really listened to any of his music (other than what you hear on pop radio). To know most of his really good music you would have to listen to his less mainstream music (what's not on the radio). "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" is really a phenomenal album. It is true genius.

I also think KK releasing this call shows how devoted she is to her husband. She's not going to let anyone bring him down or try to destroy him. Isn't that what most wives should do if they can? I would for my DH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. Taylor is a disingenuous poser. The jig is up. She can take issue with any and every minute aspect of that song if she chooses, to no avail. She's grasping at straws. She's been exposed as a fake.

What? She is still a talented musician. I am a Taylor fan because I like her music. Period, end of. I couldn't care less about her personal life. In the grand scheme of things, this is a blip. Taylor will release a new record and do a new tour and see major success yet again. I'm sure she'll win a slew of Grammys again in the future because at the end of the day, she writes catchy tunes and people like her music. Kim K is hanging on to fame by her fingernails. She is desperate and pathetic.

Her success does not exist without the finely crafted narrative of her "personal life".

From Vox:

"Taylor Swift and her success are a strange phenomenon. Critics and her biggest fans will openly tell you that she doesn’t have the best voice or the best technical skills. Her songwriting, while impossibly catchy, isn’t mind-blowing or complex.

What she’s fantastic at is creating songs that crystallize a messy, usually teenage feeling that somehow speaks to everyone, even people who have never felt it, and weave it in with slips of her personal life. The personal life part of that skill is crucial.

Every song she’s released throughout her career, every post she’s shared on social media — it’s all helped paint a portrait of Swift as your best friend. Her latest album, her tour, her Instagram photos, and her Facebook posts are all wrapped around the fantasy of being her pal and joining her coven of female friendship. With some pop stars, you want to be them; with Taylor Swift, you just wanna hang out with her.

Kardashian’s Snapchat video cuts through that veneer — throwing doubt on what your BFF Taylor Swift is telling you, making you wonder, well, if Taylor could lie about that conversation with West, what else could she be lying about?"

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/18/12210858/kim-kardashian-taylor-swift-snapchat-kanye-west

Eh, I think if you're young, tall, blonde, skinny and can write "impossibly catchy" songs, you'd be successful even without the carefully crafted image.

If that's true she won't do something desperate to flip the script, but it is true and she will. She's a dime a dozen. We value her music because of the interest she's created and her overall narrative, which of course is all false.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

[Anonymous]

Team None of the Above.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. Taylor is a disingenuous poser. The jig is up. She can take issue with any and every minute aspect of that song if she chooses, to no avail. She's grasping at straws. She's been exposed as a fake.

What? She is still a talented musician. I am a Taylor fan because I like her music. Period, end of. I couldn't care less about her personal life. In the grand scheme of things, this is a blip. Taylor will release a new record and do a new tour and see major success yet again. I'm sure she'll win a slew of Grammys again in the future because at the end of the day, she writes catchy tunes and people like her music. Kim K is hanging on to fame by her fingernails. She is desperate and pathetic.

Her success does not exist without the finely crafted narrative of her "personal life".

From Vox:

"Taylor Swift and her success are a strange phenomenon. Critics and her biggest fans will openly tell you that she doesn’t have the best voice or the best technical skills. Her songwriting, while impossibly catchy, isn’t mind-blowing or complex.

What she’s fantastic at is creating songs that crystallize a messy, usually teenage feeling that somehow speaks to everyone, even people who have never felt it, and weave it in with slips of her personal life. The personal life part of that skill is crucial.

Every song she’s released throughout her career, every post she’s shared on social media — it’s all helped paint a portrait of Swift as your best friend. Her latest album, her tour, her Instagram photos, and her Facebook posts are all wrapped around the fantasy of being her pal and joining her coven of female friendship. With some pop stars, you want to be them; with Taylor Swift, you just wanna hang out with her.

Kardashian’s Snapchat video cuts through that veneer — throwing doubt on what your BFF Taylor Swift is telling you, making you wonder, well, if Taylor could lie about that conversation with West, what else could she be lying about?"

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/18/12210858/kim-kardashian-taylor-swift-snapchat-kanye-west

Kardashian's video only shows what a deceptive snake Kanye is. And Kim was dumb enough to tape it. Those two deserve each other.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

And yet his own wife remains covered, except of course for that azz that she shows off every chance she gets anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Team Kimye. White woman.

I am a taylor fan (musically and even personally, I think she's a great model for a successful female for young girls). I am not really a Kanye fan or a KK fan (although I think a lot of people underestimate her business acumen considering the length of time she's kept her brand relevant and how she's translated it into a lot of businesses. Also all you people saying Kanye isn't talented are smoking crack, he might not be my cup of tea but he's a really stellar lyricist.

This is totally her getting caught in a lie. Everyone talking about how they're bad for recording it...wtf, you're only mad because it clearly exposes her lie and makes her look bad. TS screwed up, she should own it and apologize. She used an opportunity to make the world see that she and Kanye had gotten over their fued and then took a calculated risk by throwing him under the bus to get another round of, 'kanye stabbed TS in the back AGAIN' press. And it didn't work. And there are totally racial undertones to this, and IMO she manipulated this to seem like a sexist thing when it clearly was not which is a disservice to women everywhere who experience real sexism.

I don't know if all you defenders are just reading the transcript and not listening? Because she does NOT sound like she's trying to play nice. She sounds like a peer talking to a peer. Sorry TS, Kimye just checkmated you.

Me three. Also a white woman and a Swift fan. But she was wrong here.

Totally agree with your whole post PP. I have posted before that I think Kanye seems like an A$$whole, but I totally believe him. Also for those that say he isn't talented, you clearly have never really listened to any of his music (other than what you hear on pop radio). To know most of his really good music you would have to listen to his less mainstream music (what's not on the radio). "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" is really a phenomenal album. It is true genius.

I also think KK releasing this call shows how devoted she is to her husband. She's not going to let anyone bring him down or try to destroy him. Isn't that what most wives should do if they can? I would for my DH.

Um. She was in on it toots. Yeah, she doesn't want to be sued. But I think she's going to be. BIG time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. Taylor is a disingenuous poser. The jig is up. She can take issue with any and every minute aspect of that song if she chooses, to no avail. She's grasping at straws. She's been exposed as a fake.

What? She is still a talented musician. I am a Taylor fan because I like her music. Period, end of. I couldn't care less about her personal life. In the grand scheme of things, this is a blip. Taylor will release a new record and do a new tour and see major success yet again. I'm sure she'll win a slew of Grammys again in the future because at the end of the day, she writes catchy tunes and people like her music. Kim K is hanging on to fame by her fingernails. She is desperate and pathetic.

Her success does not exist without the finely crafted narrative of her "personal life".

From Vox:

"Taylor Swift and her success are a strange phenomenon. Critics and her biggest fans will openly tell you that she doesn’t have the best voice or the best technical skills. Her songwriting, while impossibly catchy, isn’t mind-blowing or complex.

What she’s fantastic at is creating songs that crystallize a messy, usually teenage feeling that somehow speaks to everyone, even people who have never felt it, and weave it in with slips of her personal life. The personal life part of that skill is crucial.

Every song she’s released throughout her career, every post she’s shared on social media — it’s all helped paint a portrait of Swift as your best friend. Her latest album, her tour, her Instagram photos, and her Facebook posts are all wrapped around the fantasy of being her pal and joining her coven of female friendship. With some pop stars, you want to be them; with Taylor Swift, you just wanna hang out with her.

Kardashian’s Snapchat video cuts through that veneer — throwing doubt on what your BFF Taylor Swift is telling you, making you wonder, well, if Taylor could lie about that conversation with West, what else could she be lying about?"

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/18/12210858/kim-kardashian-taylor-swift-snapchat-kanye-west

Eh, I think if you're young, tall, blonde, skinny and can write "impossibly catchy" songs, you'd be successful even without the carefully crafted image.

You know what? You don't have to like Taylor. In fact, you don't have to listen to a song she sings or a word she says. But those of us who are her fans appreciate the wonderful songs and performances that she's given us over the years. We respect how she has worked hard to protect her image and stay true to her craft.

A person that would call HER up and act like he wants to be on good terms (friends!) with her and then does something this nasty....is awful. That was so very low of him.

[Anonymous]

But the line that Kanye told Swift in the video isn't the one that is on the final album, sooooooo you still look like a giant d-bag, Kimya.

Swift okaying one version isn't giving complete approval.

(Not a big Swift fan or Kanye fan, FWIT).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meh. Taylor is a disingenuous poser. The jig is up. She can take issue with any and every minute aspect of that song if she chooses, to no avail. She's grasping at straws. She's been exposed as a fake.

What? She is still a talented musician. I am a Taylor fan because I like her music. Period, end of. I couldn't care less about her personal life. In the grand scheme of things, this is a blip. Taylor will release a new record and do a new tour and see major success yet again. I'm sure she'll win a slew of Grammys again in the future because at the end of the day, she writes catchy tunes and people like her music. Kim K is hanging on to fame by her fingernails. She is desperate and pathetic.

Her success does not exist without the finely crafted narrative of her "personal life".

From Vox:

"Taylor Swift and her success are a strange phenomenon. Critics and her biggest fans will openly tell you that she doesn’t have the best voice or the best technical skills. Her songwriting, while impossibly catchy, isn’t mind-blowing or complex.

What she’s fantastic at is creating songs that crystallize a messy, usually teenage feeling that somehow speaks to everyone, even people who have never felt it, and weave it in with slips of her personal life. The personal life part of that skill is crucial.

Every song she’s released throughout her career, every post she’s shared on social media — it’s all helped paint a portrait of Swift as your best friend. Her latest album, her tour, her Instagram photos, and her Facebook posts are all wrapped around the fantasy of being her pal and joining her coven of female friendship. With some pop stars, you want to be them; with Taylor Swift, you just wanna hang out with her.

Kardashian’s Snapchat video cuts through that veneer — throwing doubt on what your BFF Taylor Swift is telling you, making you wonder, well, if Taylor could lie about that conversation with West, what else could she be lying about?"

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/18/12210858/kim-kardashian-taylor-swift-snapchat-kanye-west

Eh, I think if you're young, tall, blonde, skinny and can write "impossibly catchy" songs, you'd be successful even without the carefully crafted image.

You know what? You don't have to like Taylor. In fact, you don't have to listen to a song she sings or a word she says. But those of us who are her fans appreciate the wonderful songs and performances that she's given us over the years. We respect how she has worked hard to protect her image and stay true to her craft.

A person that would call HER up and act like he wants to be on good terms (friends!) with her and then does something this nasty....is awful. That was so very low of him.

A person that would call HER up and ask for permission to mention her in one of his songs and then talk about how relationships are more important than punchlines does what they agreed to on the call and then she tells the world he never did that and is a big bully actually kind of seems like the victim in this scenario to me. Which frankly, you could knock me over with a feather that I'm calling Kanye TS's victim in 2016 lol. But...it seems like reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

He stepped over the line by making them naked. Why not put a tank top on them or something?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

And yet his own wife remains covered, except of course for that azz that she shows off every chance she gets anyway.

Hmm, a thoughtful critique and then someone who spells ass azz.