What kind of guy sees prostitutes?

[Anonymous]

PP 11:47, you must live in a different country than the U.S. or some pocket that's completely out of touch with the average woman's reality. Women do not "have the list" in the U.S.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who visits prostitutes? More men married to women on this site than you would think. Men who go to them are losers? Try executives, doctors, lawyers, and Hugh Grant. The women are "forced" into it? Maybe in Thailand but I have no doubt in the US educated, attractive women do it because of the money involved and to some degree, like certain aspects of the work.

Newsflash: being an executive, a doctor, lawyer or, yes, even Hugh Grant, does not exclude one from being a loser.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who visits prostitutes? More men married to women on this site than you would think. Men who go to them are losers? Try executives, doctors, lawyers, and Hugh Grant. The women are "forced" into it? Maybe in Thailand but I have no doubt in the US educated, attractive women do it because of the money involved and to some degree, like certain aspects of the work.

Newsflash: being an executive, a doctor, lawyer or, yes, even Hugh Grant, does not exclude one from being a loser.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP 11:47, you must live in a different country than the U.S. or some pocket that's completely out of touch with the average woman's reality. Women do not "have the list" in the U.S.

Not 11:47, but wow. You must never left the U.S., read, or watch TV, if you think an average American woman is oppressed into prostitution. Again, wow.

[Anonymous]

Men who are inept, who have problems relating to normal women. Didn't one on here call the prostitutes his dates, lol; now if that wasn't revealing.
Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Guy here. The problem with prostitution is the human trafficking element.

Without it, (say in NV at a legal brothel), I have no issue.

+1 from a woman

+ 2 from a woman.

Honestly, I think this view is a bit naive and self-delusional. IMO, it looks the decision women make to engage in sex work as either a "forced" or "voluntary" decision, judging "forced" prostitution as wrong but "voluntary" prostitution as OK. It really underestimates the forces that drive women to take money in exchange for sex -- emotional abuse, economic difficulties, limited well-paying job opportunities, childcare obligations, etc. -- and underestimates the ways in which the choice to engage in sex work limits future job opportunity and perpetuates a cycle of being trapped in prostitution.

Perhaps some day far in the future, when women and men are earning equal pay and have equal access to education, job opportunities, advancement, reproductive control, paid maternity leave, equal retirement funding, quality affordable daycare, etc., maybe then one will be able to truly say women (and men) are making a purely business choice to earn money thru sex, but I really don't think we're there yet.

Personally, I think you sell yourself this argument ("she is choosing to do this voluntarily") so you can make yourself feel better about using another human being in this way.

IMO, people who use other people are not very good people, but they certainly have a lot of company.

In view of PP's reference to "normal women," this makes me smile. A transaction with one man is seen by society as normal. No one is bent out of shape that mother nature and societal pressures force women to marry arseholes they will complain about ad infinitum. Yet, essentially the same transaction with many men is abnormal, thus evil. I can't help but agree with one of the PPs, prostitution is often vilified by women who are threatened by losing part over their control over men.

(I'm a married female, so save the stupid speculations.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP 11:47, you must live in a different country than the U.S. or some pocket that's completely out of touch with the average woman's reality. Women do not "have the list" in the U.S.

Not 11:47, but wow. You must never left the U.S., read, or watch TV, if you think an average American woman is oppressed into prostitution. Again, wow.

NP. I think there's a difference between saying "the average American woman is oppressed into prostitution" and "the average US prostitute was oppressed into her prostitution". The former is probably not true, but the latter probably is."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guy here. The problem with prostitution is the human trafficking element.

Without it, (say in NV at a legal brothel), I have no issue.

+1 from a woman

+ 2 from a woman.

Honestly, I think this view is a bit naive and self-delusional. IMO, it looks the decision women make to engage in sex work as either a "forced" or "voluntary" decision, judging "forced" prostitution as wrong but "voluntary" prostitution as OK. It really underestimates the forces that drive women to take money in exchange for sex -- emotional abuse, economic difficulties, limited well-paying job opportunities, childcare obligations, etc. -- and underestimates the ways in which the choice to engage in sex work limits future job opportunity and perpetuates a cycle of being trapped in prostitution.

Perhaps some day far in the future, when women and men are earning equal pay and have equal access to education, job opportunities, advancement, reproductive control, paid maternity leave, equal retirement funding, quality affordable daycare, etc., maybe then one will be able to truly say women (and men) are making a purely business choice to earn money thru sex, but I really don't think we're there yet.

Personally, I think you sell yourself this argument ("she is choosing to do this voluntarily") so you can make yourself feel better about using another human being in this way.

IMO, people who use other people are not very good people, but they certainly have a lot of company.

Well, the forces you describe drive people to take money from all kinds of sources, yet we are not about to make minimum-wage labor illegal. Prostitution pays better. In fact, I'm convinced the workers would benefit in many ways if the industry was legal and controlled. No amount of social support will ever eliminate it, because it's called the oldest trade for a reason. Have you been to Amsterdam?

I have not used any human being "in this way." (If I did, it would be a guy, because I am a straight female. I guess that kind of throws your "maternity leave" arguments out the window :lol However, I do not presume I know best what's good for other people. I despise white liberals who continuously do that! People, regardless of how poor and uneducated, have agency. Remember that. The are entitled to make their choices, and as long as those choices are not illegal or harm the innocent, it is none of your business to tell women what to take money for.

There is plenty of research that shows that the average prostitute is not happy, is kind of screwed up, and doesn't know how to get out. And prostitution in much of the country is essentially human trafficking.

I believe that a young girl put out on the streets who 'chooses' prostitution to survive (legal or illegal) is an innocent harmed, and that we should be trying to prevent that. I think legalization is the right choice because it would protect sex workers but to act like the majority of women who choose to become sex workers are doing so because that was what they wanted to be when they are a little girl is really being intentionally obtuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just found out an older male friend of mine sees prostitutes (escorts, sugar babies, whatever). He apparently meets then online. My instinctive reaction to this is just disgust, but am I being too uptight? He says it's the only way for him to meet younger attractive women.

Social misfit, ugly, shy, angry at women, who basically have to pay for sex because no female in their right mind will do it with them.

They might also have rheumatoid arthritis in both hands from over use.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guy here. The problem with prostitution is the human trafficking element.

Without it, (say in NV at a legal brothel), I have no issue.

+1 from a woman

+ 2 from a woman.

Honestly, I think this view is a bit naive and self-delusional. IMO, it looks the decision women make to engage in sex work as either a "forced" or "voluntary" decision, judging "forced" prostitution as wrong but "voluntary" prostitution as OK. It really underestimates the forces that drive women to take money in exchange for sex -- emotional abuse, economic difficulties, limited well-paying job opportunities, childcare obligations, etc. -- and underestimates the ways in which the choice to engage in sex work limits future job opportunity and perpetuates a cycle of being trapped in prostitution.

Perhaps some day far in the future, when women and men are earning equal pay and have equal access to education, job opportunities, advancement, reproductive control, paid maternity leave, equal retirement funding, quality affordable daycare, etc., maybe then one will be able to truly say women (and men) are making a purely business choice to earn money thru sex, but I really don't think we're there yet.

Personally, I think you sell yourself this argument ("she is choosing to do this voluntarily") so you can make yourself feel better about using another human being in this way.

IMO, people who use other people are not very good people, but they certainly have a lot of company.

Well, the forces you describe drive people to take money from all kinds of sources, yet we are not about to make minimum-wage labor illegal. Prostitution pays better. In fact, I'm convinced the workers would benefit in many ways if the industry was legal and controlled. No amount of social support will ever eliminate it, because it's called the oldest trade for a reason. Have you been to Amsterdam?

I have not used any human being "in this way." (If I did, it would be a guy, because I am a straight female. I guess that kind of throws your "maternity leave" arguments out the window :lol However, I do not presume I know best what's good for other people. I despise white liberals who continuously do that! People, regardless of how poor and uneducated, have agency. Remember that. The are entitled to make their choices, and as long as those choices are not illegal or harm the innocent, it is none of your business to tell women what to take money for.

There is plenty of research that shows that the average prostitute is not happy, is kind of screwed up, and doesn't know how to get out. And prostitution in much of the country is essentially human trafficking.

I believe that a young girl put out on the streets who 'chooses' prostitution to survive (legal or illegal) is an innocent harmed, and that we should be trying to prevent that. I think legalization is the right choice because it would protect sex workers but to act like the majority of women who choose to become sex workers are doing so because that was what they wanted to be when they are a little girl is really being intentionally obtuse.

There are some very ill men on these threads, you see it from their posts. It's like saying the average drug user is stable and happy. Yes in their world, therein lies the problem because they are living that type of sad life so for them it's "normal".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guy here. The problem with prostitution is the human trafficking element.

Without it, (say in NV at a legal brothel), I have no issue.

+1 from a woman

+ 2 from a woman.

Honestly, I think this view is a bit naive and self-delusional. IMO, it looks the decision women make to engage in sex work as either a "forced" or "voluntary" decision, judging "forced" prostitution as wrong but "voluntary" prostitution as OK. It really underestimates the forces that drive women to take money in exchange for sex -- emotional abuse, economic difficulties, limited well-paying job opportunities, childcare obligations, etc. -- and underestimates the ways in which the choice to engage in sex work limits future job opportunity and perpetuates a cycle of being trapped in prostitution.

Perhaps some day far in the future, when women and men are earning equal pay and have equal access to education, job opportunities, advancement, reproductive control, paid maternity leave, equal retirement funding, quality affordable daycare, etc., maybe then one will be able to truly say women (and men) are making a purely business choice to earn money thru sex, but I really don't think we're there yet.

Personally, I think you sell yourself this argument ("she is choosing to do this voluntarily") so you can make yourself feel better about using another human being in this way.

IMO, people who use other people are not very good people, but they certainly have a lot of company.

Well, the forces you describe drive people to take money from all kinds of sources, yet we are not about to make minimum-wage labor illegal. Prostitution pays better. In fact, I'm convinced the workers would benefit in many ways if the industry was legal and controlled. No amount of social support will ever eliminate it, because it's called the oldest trade for a reason. Have you been to Amsterdam?

I have not used any human being "in this way." (If I did, it would be a guy, because I am a straight female. I guess that kind of throws your "maternity leave" arguments out the window :lol However, I do not presume I know best what's good for other people. I despise white liberals who continuously do that! People, regardless of how poor and uneducated, have agency. Remember that. The are entitled to make their choices, and as long as those choices are not illegal or harm the innocent, it is none of your business to tell women what to take money for.

There is plenty of research that shows that the average prostitute is not happy, is kind of screwed up, and doesn't know how to get out. And prostitution in much of the country is essentially human trafficking.

I believe that a young girl put out on the streets who 'chooses' prostitution to survive (legal or illegal) is an innocent harmed, and that we should be trying to prevent that. I think legalization is the right choice because it would protect sex workers but to act like the majority of women who choose to become sex workers are doing so because that was what they wanted to be when they are a little girl is really being intentionally obtuse.

I wonder how reliable is the research on prostitutes. Prostitution is illegal and illicit in many parts of the world. How easy is it to obtain a random sample that is representative of all prostitutes.

In the age of the internet one can find forums where prostitutes discuss "shop." I don't know how representative prostitutes who blog or post on forums is of all prostitutes. But many of the women sound like they had other options but chose prostitution.

One can also find "sugar baby" blogs where the women sound like they know what they are doing and were not forced into the lifestyle. Here's a few

http://jetsetbabe.com/

http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php

IMO there are some women forced into prostitution, some with few other options, and some with other options who choose it for the money and flexibility it offers. I don't think anyone "knows" what the percentages are in each for the reasons mentioned at the beginning of this post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guy here. The problem with prostitution is the human trafficking element.

Without it, (say in NV at a legal brothel), I have no issue.

+1 from a woman

+ 2 from a woman.

Honestly, I think this view is a bit naive and self-delusional. IMO, it looks the decision women make to engage in sex work as either a "forced" or "voluntary" decision, judging "forced" prostitution as wrong but "voluntary" prostitution as OK. It really underestimates the forces that drive women to take money in exchange for sex -- emotional abuse, economic difficulties, limited well-paying job opportunities, childcare obligations, etc. -- and underestimates the ways in which the choice to engage in sex work limits future job opportunity and perpetuates a cycle of being trapped in prostitution.

Perhaps some day far in the future, when women and men are earning equal pay and have equal access to education, job opportunities, advancement, reproductive control, paid maternity leave, equal retirement funding, quality affordable daycare, etc., maybe then one will be able to truly say women (and men) are making a purely business choice to earn money thru sex, but I really don't think we're there yet.

Personally, I think you sell yourself this argument ("she is choosing to do this voluntarily") so you can make yourself feel better about using another human being in this way.

IMO, people who use other people are not very good people, but they certainly have a lot of company.

Well, the forces you describe drive people to take money from all kinds of sources, yet we are not about to make minimum-wage labor illegal. Prostitution pays better. In fact, I'm convinced the workers would benefit in many ways if the industry was legal and controlled. No amount of social support will ever eliminate it, because it's called the oldest trade for a reason. Have you been to Amsterdam?

I have not used any human being "in this way." (If I did, it would be a guy, because I am a straight female. I guess that kind of throws your "maternity leave" arguments out the window :lol However, I do not presume I know best what's good for other people. I despise white liberals who continuously do that! People, regardless of how poor and uneducated, have agency. Remember that. The are entitled to make their choices, and as long as those choices are not illegal or harm the innocent, it is none of your business to tell women what to take money for.

There is plenty of research that shows that the average prostitute is not happy, is kind of screwed up, and doesn't know how to get out. And prostitution in much of the country is essentially human trafficking.

I believe that a young girl put out on the streets who 'chooses' prostitution to survive (legal or illegal) is an innocent harmed, and that we should be trying to prevent that. I think legalization is the right choice because it would protect sex workers but to act like the majority of women who choose to become sex workers are doing so because that was what they wanted to be when they are a little girl is really being intentionally obtuse.

I wonder how reliable is the research on prostitutes. Prostitution is illegal and illicit in many parts of the world. How easy is it to obtain a random sample that is representative of all prostitutes.

In the age of the internet one can find forums where prostitutes discuss "shop." I don't know how representative prostitutes who blog or post on forums is of all prostitutes. But many of the women sound like they had other options but chose prostitution.

One can also find "sugar baby" blogs where the women sound like they know what they are doing and were not forced into the lifestyle. Here's a few

http://jetsetbabe.com/

http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php

IMO there are some women forced into prostitution, some with few other options, and some with other options who choose it for the money and flexibility it offers. I don't think anyone "knows" what the percentages are in each for the reasons mentioned at the beginning of this post.

It isn't exactly sexy to talk about how your profession is soul sucking and makes you feel like dying inside but sure, believe that women are totally into it if it helps you sleep at night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP 11:47, you must live in a different country than the U.S. or some pocket that's completely out of touch with the average woman's reality. Women do not "have the list" in the U.S.

11:47 here. I do not see differential opportunities for women versus men. In universities, thee are more women than men. The educational system favors girls (talking about the earlier years) over boys.

The cause of prostitution is the people that have no other options...no education, not able to join the military (e.g., drug use), or live on the street. Women and men are impacted. But, a woman can use her body for money -- either prostitution or finding a man. A man resorts to crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Men who are inept, who have problems relating to normal women. Didn't one on here call the prostitutes his dates, lol; now if that wasn't revealing.
Sad.

You're exactly why men visit prostitutes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Men who are inept, who have problems relating to normal women. Didn't one on here call the prostitutes his dates, lol; now if that wasn't revealing.
Sad.

You're exactly why men visit prostitutes.

You're exactly why there are prostitutes.