Gender identity vote tonight, What does it mean? Are you allowed to switch teachers if they are tran

[Anonymous]

Here's the video, the issue starts around 30 minutes, there are some really good points brought up by very intelligent people. I just don't have a lot of understanding on how these votes and if it's really anything more than a procedural vote without any input from the community.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the best thing to do is show up tonight at the board meeting and find out. I don't believe it's a well thought-out plan, and if they don't put together good guidelines we'll end up with unintended results. Call me a jackass all you want, a lot of people are not comfortable with the idea of a transgender being in a position of authority over their kids. [/b]

+1

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to say it OP, but you're going to have to suck it up and pay the tuition at Catholic school. When we lived in Fairfax, people used to question why we would even consider private school when the public school was (debatably) "best in the nation." This is why.

(Well, that and the propensity for teachers to prance around in front of the school in election day holding "[Our zoned elementary] teachers for [insert Democrat candidate here]!" signs.)

Basically, the Fairfax schools are about social agenda first. They do not care if you're uncomfortable with it. If you don't like it, you can leave.

I like my Catholic school. We don't want you either. Try a conservative Christian school.

I don't get this. Would a Catholic school allow a transgender child or teacher? I have heard that they fire people who are gay. I can't imagine them allowing transgender people? Do your children attend a liberal Catholic school that allows this?

The Catholic Church offers no judgment on particular medical theories, but rather affirms as central to its theological tradition that the human being, as a unity of body and soul, is destined by God to be the sex plainly visible at birth. Baptismal certificates are determined by physiology and therefore cannot be later revised. Any Catholic policy concerning children who present as a member of the opposite sex at school must clearly affirm this teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:I predict FCPS will have a mass exodus of disgruntled parents who'll enroll their children in private schools.

That would help the over crowding, although I think it is just a very vocal minority.

PP quoted about the mass exodus and I'm not so sure about it being a vocal minority. There are many disgruntled, disappointed and disallusioned parents within FCPS and there are a host of hot button issues and changes that haven't been warmly accepted and welcomed (school infrastructure, overcrowding, sweeping demographic shifts at schools, over-emphasis on SOLs, the AAP program, ill-supported EAP planning, spotty ESL programs...combine that with a new superintendent who's enacted more changes (SLEEP, elimination of half day kindergarten), stressed out teachers who aren't getting raises any time soon and...things are going to change. Money talks and parents who can afford to do so will send their children to private schools.

Given the over-crowding in FCPS, if this actually happened I imagine it would be a win for everyone. Smaller classes, and fewer children to educate means more funding to go toward things that are current under-funded.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict FCPS will have a mass exodus of disgruntled parents who'll enroll their children in private schools.

That would help the over crowding, although I think it is just a very vocal minority.

PP quoted about the mass exodus and I'm not so sure about it being a vocal minority. There are many disgruntled, disappointed and disallusioned parents within FCPS and there are a host of hot button issues and changes that haven't been warmly accepted and welcomed (school infrastructure, overcrowding, sweeping demographic shifts at schools, over-emphasis on SOLs, the AAP program, ill-supported EAP planning, spotty ESL programs...combine that with a new superintendent who's enacted more changes (SLEEP, elimination of half day kindergarten), stressed out teachers who aren't getting raises any time soon and...things are going to change. Money talks and parents who can afford to do so will send their children to private schools.

The private schools are already filled to the gills too. Good luck finding a spot. I don't see a mass exodus. No one who pays attention is 100% happy - ever. I think you will find that people are all over the map on the issues that you mention.

There have been changes that have been "warmly accepted" by most- full day Mondays, decreasing the number of SOLs students have to take in ES, later start times for HS (not my choice- but definitely popular), and, for me, the vote last night was warmly accepted by my family. There are also changes in the making for MS AAP that are supported by a majority too- opening three new centers in fall of 2016- all will address over crowding in the schools.

[Anonymous]

Why didn't they just pass it for student and take more time to research the teacher part

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn't they just pass it for student and take more time to research the teacher part

Why would there be a difference? FWIW, People against the change seemed more concerned about students entering bathrooms than anything else.

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What if I, a white female, wish to identify as a black female and I take action to darken my skin and proclaim that I am black. Will I Have the same rights? Can I be hired as a bkack female? Can I check black on the census form?

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Anonymous wrote:What if I, a white female, wish to identify as a black female and I take action to darken my skin and proclaim that I am black. Will I Have the same rights? Can I be hired as a bkack female? Can I check black on the census form?

What?

[Anonymous]

Supporters on this thread saying it's just procedural are insincere. The movant, Ryan McElveen, said in his speech that this vote was comparable to selma, brown v board of ed, and stonewall. It was equivalent to the desegregation of Luther Jackson (where the meeting was being held).

So don't dismiss and say it wasn't a big deal. You can say it was the right big deal and you endorse it, but Equality Virginia, OneFairfax, McElveen and other pro groups are saying otherwise this am.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Supporters on this thread saying it's just procedural are insincere. The movant, Ryan McElveen, said in his speech that this vote was comparable to selma, brown v board of ed, and stonewall. It was equivalent to the desegregation of Luther Jackson (where the meeting was being held).

So don't dismiss and say it wasn't a big deal. You can say it was the right big deal and you endorse it, but Equality Virginia, OneFairfax, McElveen and other pro groups are saying otherwise this am.

I guess I see it differently. I see it as the (small s) state catching up on its paperwork. There are already transgendered students and employees in FCPS who are already being treated with respect and dignity. Putting it into official policy is appropriate and based on the recent decisions from the Virginia AG and Department of Education- timely.

I think the people and organizations you mentioned see it as a capstone, if you will, of years of hard work and advocacy. Treating people with respect and dignity is a good thing. Calling people who are transgendered mentally ill (as one speaker last night did) is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Props to the members BESIDES Shultz who realized that representing your constituents doesn't mean enshrining discrimination. If Shultz has members that wanted to take out race or ethnicity as well should she be applauded if she helps get that passed?

Also, just because the naysayers are loud doesn't make them the majority.

Then why not survey the parents to find out where the opinion falls as a first step?

Perhaps because non-discrimination is not an issue that should be decided by survey. 50 years ago, if we were to survey parents about a non-discrimination policy regarding race, would a majority of people have supported it? Perhaps not. And while I do have some faith & hope that most parents in Fairfax County do support protecting ALL students from discrimination regardless of gender identity, I don't think it is an issue that is appropriately decided by survey.

[Anonymous]

They are not being discriminated against.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict FCPS will have a mass exodus of disgruntled parents who'll enroll their children in private schools.

That would help the over crowding, although I think it is just a very vocal minority.

PP quoted about the mass exodus and I'm not so sure about it being a vocal minority. There are many disgruntled, disappointed and disallusioned parents within FCPS and there are a host of hot button issues and changes that haven't been warmly accepted and welcomed (school infrastructure, overcrowding, sweeping demographic shifts at schools, over-emphasis on SOLs, the AAP program, ill-supported EAP planning, spotty ESL programs...combine that with a new superintendent who's enacted more changes (SLEEP, elimination of half day kindergarten), stressed out teachers who aren't getting raises any time soon and...things are going to change. Money talks and parents who can afford to do so will send their children to private schools.

Given the over-crowding in FCPS, if this actually happened I imagine it would be a win for everyone. Smaller classes, and fewer children to educate means more funding to go toward things that are current under-funded.

I don't think this is correct. Isn't funding at least partially determined by the number of students in FCPS? If student population decreases, funding will decrease as well. And if the "rich" go private, then you will see a lot of PTA money dry up as well not to mention people that can afford to SAH and be very active volunteers in the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if I, a white female, wish to identify as a black female and I take action to darken my skin and proclaim that I am black. Will I Have the same rights? Can I be hired as a bkack female? Can I check black on the census form?

You and the black woman already enjoy the same rights. And now transgender women do, too. There's room for everyone.