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Anonymous
Sometimes I think DCUM's "psycho Christians" ("you are an affront to humanity") are atheist trolls trying to make real Christians look bad. Anyone else wonder about this? Or should we all just feel sorry for this lamb who has obviously lost her way? 
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Anonymous
Good for you! Noone in the Qu'ran does it mention virgins by the way if you were referring to the 70 virgins lol. Its just funny how it is the same arguments that come over and over. Well since TurntoIslam is not an authoritive translation maybe you should try turntoatheism. Again, my point here is not to convince you about anything, I have no interest in that. My conviction is enough for me, what you believe or look for quite frankly doesn't keep me up at night |
Anonymous
This is not really true. There are always Quranic exegetical interpretations going on, in addition to Hadith (which ones are "real" and which ones are not). The Quran, like all religious texts, constantly undergoes interpretation or disregard of certain bits and pieces depending on the contextual relevance that one sees important to their lives and/or culture. If The Quran were just as it is without analytical change, there wouldn't be so many different types of Islam both in present day and past. |
Anonymous
Well laugh since they are laughable, you come out really angry and bitter, have no idea why lol. Really like i said to the previous poster what you believe or think does not keep me up at night, so I am not here to convince you of anything, you and the other person asked questions and I answered according to MY belief, how you interpret that or understand that, not my problem. You have enough to keep you up at night with your Bible instead of worrying about lil'old me and how generous the translations are. So I will quote you the Qu'ran one last time " To you your religion, to me my religion To me my deeds and to you your deeds and you are innocent of my accounts and I am innocent of yours" Thank you! |
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No I did not imply Islam was better than other religions. I am sorry but I am not responsible for how you interpret what I write, that is your own conclusion created by your own brain. Nowhere did I write that or even mention other religions vs Islam, so how you came to that conclusion is quite weird, but that is your conclusion, your brain , your thought so own it, dont put it on my plate. I already responded to the wife-beating verse, I did not know you were all waiting lol quite interesting  And why would I help myself out of here???? Am I a problem to your beliefs? LOL, i am not going anywhere, so you better get used to me  I am not apologetic about what the Qu'ran says, the Bible, addresses stoning people to death, so maybe you should run and hide  [/quote]
The New Testament most definitely says that stoning to death is bad. Have you ever heard, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?Nobody is without sin, so that stopped a stoning that happened to be in progress.[/quote] Yeh since hte old testament is bad, [b]lets just create a new one[/b] so we can look civilized, is that your point? The thing is, we Muslims don't have a new Quran or Old Quran. Its one, we've been having it for 1400 years+ and won't change it. And that is not the only verse in the Bible that is [b]problematic[/b], there are tons of them, but again like I stated earlier, I am not interested in bashing another religion, nor do I have the time ....[/quote] And yet, here you are, bashing another religion by saying the NT was "created to make people look civilized" and calling verses that you can't be bothered to specify "problematic." You're not the best representative of Islam. You should give it a break, before these back-handed insults and disingenuous explanations turn even more people off. |
Anonymous
Well, actually, the words for "virgin" and "white grape" involve the exact same consonants and, because the vowels aren't written out, there's definitely room for debate as to what this means. Why do you think all the martyrs talk beforehand about looking forward to their virgins? Trying to keep you honest is apparently a never-ending task. |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
No I did not imply Islam was better than other religions. I am sorry but I am not responsible for how you interpret what I write, that is your own conclusion created by your own brain. Nowhere did I write that or even mention other religions vs Islam, so how you came to that conclusion is quite weird, but that is your conclusion, your brain , your thought so own it, dont put it on my plate. I already responded to the wife-beating verse, I did not know you were all waiting lol quite interesting And why would I help myself out of here???? Am I a problem to your beliefs? LOL, i am not going anywhere, so you better get used to me I am not apologetic about what the Qu'ran says, the Bible, addresses stoning people to death, so maybe you should run and hide [/quote]
The New Testament most definitely says that stoning to death is bad. Have you ever heard, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?Nobody is without sin, so that stopped a stoning that happened to be in progress.[/quote] Yeh since hte old testament is bad, [b]lets just create a new one[/b] so we can look civilized, is that your point? The thing is, we Muslims don't have a new Quran or Old Quran. Its one, we've been having it for 1400 years+ and won't change it. And that is not the only verse in the Bible that is [b]problematic[/b], there are tons of them, but again like I stated earlier, I am not interested in bashing another religion, nor do I have the time ....[/quote] And yet, here you are, bashing another religion by saying the NT was "created to make people look civilized" and calling verses that you can't be bothered to specify "problematic." [b] You're not the best representative of Islam. You should give it a break, before these back-handed insults and disingenuous explanations turn even more people off.[/b][/quote] Agreed. PP comes off as extremely condescending, and a little bit ignorant of her own religion. She sounds like me before I left Islam and became an atheist, hah! 
That said, there are a lot Muslims who are both informed about their religion, and incredibly respectful of others and not don't resort to proselytizing. Google "Hijabman." Though no longer Muslim, I've always admired his very humble outlook on Islam and religion. For perspective - he married a single Muslim mom, who had been married and divorced with a child. I believe he legally adopted that child as their own. |
Anonymous
Again, there is one Quran LOL, no new Quran has been written. Now interpretations, yes people interpret the way they want noone is gonna stop them, Do you think muslims go by interpretations as sacred texts, noo. There is one Sacred Text in Islam, one and only one, it is the Qu'ran , nothing else is widely accepted by Muslims. Hadiths is not theQuran, Hadiths are prophetic traditions and poeple interpret them differently, now we have Muslims following different things because some will believe one interpretation on the other, however whenever there is a doubt, Muslims should go back to the Quran itself, because that is the only Truth we know, that has never been changed since it was revealed. Anything else can not be relied upon as firmly as the Quran and the Quran is One |
Anonymous
| 11:00, I'm the PP you're addressing. Yes, I certainly know there are many humble, loving, inquiring Muslims. They and the similar believers of all faiths and no faith should be a lesson to us! |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
No I did not imply Islam was better than other religions. I am sorry but I am not responsible for how you interpret what I write, that is your own conclusion created by your own brain. Nowhere did I write that or even mention other religions vs Islam, so how you came to that conclusion is quite weird, but that is your conclusion, your brain , your thought so own it, dont put it on my plate. I already responded to the wife-beating verse, I did not know you were all waiting lol quite interesting And why would I help myself out of here???? Am I a problem to your beliefs? LOL, i am not going anywhere, so you better get used to me I am not apologetic about what the Qu'ran says, the Bible, addresses stoning people to death, so maybe you should run and hide [/quote]
The New Testament most definitely says that stoning to death is bad. Have you ever heard, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?Nobody is without sin, so that stopped a stoning that happened to be in progress.[/quote] Yeh since hte old testament is bad, [b]lets just create a new one[/b] so we can look civilized, is that your point? The thing is, we Muslims don't have a new Quran or Old Quran. Its one, we've been having it for 1400 years+ and won't change it. And that is not the only verse in the Bible that is [b]problematic[/b], there are tons of them, but again like I stated earlier, I am not interested in bashing another religion, nor do I have the time ....[/quote] And yet, here you are, bashing another religion by saying the NT was "created to make people look civilized" and calling verses that you can't be bothered to specify "problematic." [b] You're not the best representative of Islam. You should give it a break, before these back-handed insults and disingenuous explanations turn even more people off.[/b][/quote] Agreed. PP comes off as extremely condescending, and a little bit ignorant of her own religion. She sounds like me before I left Islam and became an atheist, hah!
That said, there are a lot Muslims who are both informed about their religion, and incredibly respectful of others and not don't resort to proselytizing. Google "Hijabman." Though no longer Muslim, I've always admired his very humble outlook on Islam and religion. For perspective - he married a single Muslim mom, who had been married and divorced with a child. I believe he legally adopted that child as their own. [/quote] I actually know Hijabman, he is my friend lol I don't know what him marrying a single muslim mom has to do with this topic or him legally adopting the child, ... but Okay, weird like Muslims don't do that I guess? woow just woow . Sorry that you think I am condescending, I answered everything to the tone it was paused. I am not here to please you and really you are an angry atheist, and I dont know why 
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Anonymous
Of course Muslims go by interpretations! Most of the Muslim world doesn't even understand or read the formal Arabic in the Quran - most Muslims *have* to rely on interpretations, by way of simply being their only way to even read the Quran. The words may be the same, but it doesn't make the words unwavering. Words aren't static and fixed, they go through human filters, translation filters, contextual filters, societal filters, historical filters, individual filters. This is the same with any text of any historical area of any weight. You're also severely ignoring the Hadith as a supporting document of sorts - like Quranic footnotes, in a way. It's yet another layered filter by which texts undergo upheavals of re-definition - bound as the text may already be. |
Anonymous
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
No I did not imply Islam was better than other religions. I am sorry but I am not responsible for how you interpret what I write, that is your own conclusion created by your own brain. Nowhere did I write that or even mention other religions vs Islam, so how you came to that conclusion is quite weird, but that is your conclusion, your brain , your thought so own it, dont put it on my plate. I already responded to the wife-beating verse, I did not know you were all waiting lol quite interesting And why would I help myself out of here???? Am I a problem to your beliefs? LOL, i am not going anywhere, so you better get used to me I am not apologetic about what the Qu'ran says, the Bible, addresses stoning people to death, so maybe you should run and hide [/quote]
The New Testament most definitely says that stoning to death is bad. Have you ever heard, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?Nobody is without sin, so that stopped a stoning that happened to be in progress.[/quote] Yeh since hte old testament is bad, [b]lets just create a new one[/b] so we can look civilized, is that your point? The thing is, we Muslims don't have a new Quran or Old Quran. Its one, we've been having it for 1400 years+ and won't change it. And that is not the only verse in the Bible that is [b]problematic[/b], there are tons of them, but again like I stated earlier, I am not interested in bashing another religion, nor do I have the time ....[/quote] And yet, here you are, bashing another religion by saying the NT was "created to make people look civilized" and calling verses that you can't be bothered to specify "problematic." [b] You're not the best representative of Islam. You should give it a break, before these back-handed insults and disingenuous explanations turn even more people off.[/b][/quote] Agreed. PP comes off as extremely condescending, and a little bit ignorant of her own religion. She sounds like me before I left Islam and became an atheist, hah!
That said, there are a lot Muslims who are both informed about their religion, and incredibly respectful of others and not don't resort to proselytizing. Google "Hijabman." Though no longer Muslim, I've always admired his very humble outlook on Islam and religion. For perspective - he married a single Muslim mom, who had been married and divorced with a child. I believe he legally adopted that child as their own. [/quote] I actually know Hijabman, he is my friend lol I don't know what him marrying a single muslim mom has to do with this topic or him legally adopting the child, ... but Okay, weird like Muslims don't do that I guess? woow just woow . Sorry that you think I am condescending, I answered everything to the tone it was paused. I am not here to please you and really you are an angry atheist, and I dont know why [/quote]
^^^ If you know Hijabman, you obviously don't know him very well. Your approach to Islam and religion is completely opposite to his. You could learn something from his kindness to others, instead of condescension. |
Anonymous
I never said Muslims did not go by interpretations, of course when you read something whatever it is and use your intellect you will have to have some sort of interpretation to what you read. What I said was there is One Quran that has never been changed, now interpretations by nature are not perfect because they are HUMAN-made and can be flawed, the Quran on teh other hand is DIVINE so doesn't change. My point was, interpretations can be flawed because they are made by human beings, and to be human is to err, so if one wnats to really understand hte Quran they have to go to the source. Now as far as Muslims not speaking arabic, that is why it is recommended to them to learn the language to better understand the Quran though that is not a requirement. When you talk about footnotes, and hadiths, same thing again, a footnote is something added by a human, so thats that human being's personal interpretation and understanding, now if there is an argument about soemthing we go back to the Original text, we don't go to the footnote or int. |
Anonymous
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
No I did not imply Islam was better than other religions. I am sorry but I am not responsible for how you interpret what I write, that is your own conclusion created by your own brain. Nowhere did I write that or even mention other religions vs Islam, so how you came to that conclusion is quite weird, but that is your conclusion, your brain , your thought so own it, dont put it on my plate. I already responded to the wife-beating verse, I did not know you were all waiting lol quite interesting And why would I help myself out of here???? Am I a problem to your beliefs? LOL, i am not going anywhere, so you better get used to me I am not apologetic about what the Qu'ran says, the Bible, addresses stoning people to death, so maybe you should run and hide [/quote]
The New Testament most definitely says that stoning to death is bad. Have you ever heard, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?Nobody is without sin, so that stopped a stoning that happened to be in progress.[/quote] Yeh since hte old testament is bad, [b]lets just create a new one[/b] so we can look civilized, is that your point? The thing is, we Muslims don't have a new Quran or Old Quran. Its one, we've been having it for 1400 years+ and won't change it. And that is not the only verse in the Bible that is [b]problematic[/b], there are tons of them, but again like I stated earlier, I am not interested in bashing another religion, nor do I have the time ....[/quote] And yet, here you are, bashing another religion by saying the NT was "created to make people look civilized" and calling verses that you can't be bothered to specify "problematic." [b] You're not the best representative of Islam. You should give it a break, before these back-handed insults and disingenuous explanations turn even more people off.[/b][/quote] Agreed. PP comes off as extremely condescending, and a little bit ignorant of her own religion. She sounds like me before I left Islam and became an atheist, hah!
That said, there are a lot Muslims who are both informed about their religion, and incredibly respectful of others and not don't resort to proselytizing. Google "Hijabman." Though no longer Muslim, I've always admired his very humble outlook on Islam and religion. For perspective - he married a single Muslim mom, who had been married and divorced with a child. I believe he legally adopted that child as their own. [/quote] I actually know Hijabman, he is my friend lol I don't know what him marrying a single muslim mom has to do with this topic or him legally adopting the child, ... but Okay, weird like Muslims don't do that I guess? woow just woow . Sorry that you think I am condescending, I answered everything to the tone it was paused. I am not here to please you and really you are an angry atheist, and I dont know why [/quote]
^^^ If you know Hijabman, you obviously don't know him very well. Your approach to Islam and religion is completely opposite to his. You could learn something from his kindness to others, instead of condescension. [/quote] Hummm okay, I really don't have time to debate this with you and euh no, my approach to Islam and his are not opposite at all, not even close. But thanks for the advice, I will be more kind next time, sorry 
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Anonymous
Again, my question to you was, where in the Quran does it say anything about Virgins? Besides the miraculous birth of Jesus? So why is this a discussion again about jihadists?? WHere in teh Quran is that promise? |