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No I did not imply Islam was better than other religions. I am sorry but  I am not responsible for how you interpret what I write, that is your own conclusion created by your own brain. Nowhere did I write that or even mention other religions vs Islam, so how you came to that conclusion is quite weird, but that is your conclusion, your brain , your thought so own it, dont put it on my plate. I already responded to the wife-beating verse, I did not know you were all waiting lol quite interesting  :mrgreen:  And why would I help myself out of here???? Am I a problem to your beliefs? LOL, i am not going anywhere, so you better get used to me :) I am not apologetic about what the Qu'ran says, the Bible, addresses stoning people to death, so maybe you should run and hide  :? [/quote]

The New Testament most definitely says that stoning to death is bad. Have you ever heard, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?Nobody is without sin, so that stopped a stoning that happened to be in progress.[/quote]

Yeh since hte old testament is bad, lets just create a new one so we can look civilized, is that your point? The thing is, we Muslims don't have a new Quran or Old Quran. Its one, we've been having it for 1400 years+ and won't change it. And that is not the only verse in the Bible that is problematic, there are tons of them, but again like I stated earlier, I am not interested in bashing another religion, nor do I have the time ....[/quote]

This is not really true. There are always Quranic exegetical interpretations going on, in addition to Hadith (which ones are "real" and which ones are not). The Quran, like all religious texts, constantly undergoes interpretation or disregard of certain bits and pieces depending on the contextual relevance that one sees important to their lives and/or culture. If The Quran were just as it is without analytical change, there wouldn't be so many different types of Islam both in present day and past. [/quote]

Again, there is one Quran LOL, no new Quran has been written. Now interpretations, yes people interpret the way they want noone is gonna stop them, Do you think muslims go by interpretations as sacred texts, noo. There is one Sacred Text in Islam, one and only one, it is the Qu'ran , nothing else is widely accepted by Muslims. Hadiths is not theQuran, Hadiths are prophetic traditions and poeple interpret them differently, now we have Muslims following different things because some will believe one interpretation on the other, however whenever there is a doubt, Muslims should go back to the Quran itself, because that is the only Truth we know, that has never been changed since it was revealed. Anything else can not be relied upon as firmly as the Quran and the Quran is One[/quote]

Of course Muslims go by interpretations! Most of the Muslim world doesn't even understand or read the formal Arabic in the Quran - most Muslims *have* to rely on interpretations, by way of simply being their only way to even read the Quran. The words may be the same, but it doesn't make the words unwavering. Words aren't static and fixed, they go through human filters, translation filters, contextual filters, societal filters, historical filters, individual filters. This is the same with any text of any historical area of any weight.

You're also severely ignoring the Hadith as a supporting document of sorts - like Quranic footnotes, in a way. It's yet another layered filter by which texts undergo upheavals of re-definition - bound as the text may already be. [/quote]

I never said Muslims did not go by interpretations, of course when you read something whatever it is and use your intellect you will have to have some sort of interpretation to what you read. What I said was there is One Quran that has never been changed, now interpretations by nature are not perfect because they are HUMAN-made and can be flawed, the Quran on teh other hand is DIVINE so doesn't change. My point was, interpretations can be flawed because they are made by human beings, and to be human is to err, so if one wnats to really understand hte Quran they have to go to the source. Now as far as Muslims not speaking arabic, that is why it is recommended to them to learn the language to better understand the Quran though that is not a requirement. When you talk about footnotes, and hadiths, same thing again, a footnote is something added by a human, so thats that human being's personal interpretation and understanding, now if there is an argument about soemthing we go back to the Original text, we don't go to the footnote or int.
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