A sad story about terrible parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps memory has deserted me, but I don't remember back when the Bethesda family with the triplets -- their house burned down because they had no smoke detectors -- I believe it was 2009 -- anyway, I don't remember a long discussion of their decision to have triplets, IVF, and so forth, and their other sexual practices. It just didn't seem relevant to their tragedy.

But that's BETHESDA. They DESERVE our compassion because they're from here. We don't care about rural folks from Louisiana. It cuts into our manufactured entertainment of making fun of them for their plight in life. Don't stop our fun now with your rational arguments.

If the deaths of their children could have been prevented by a simple installation of fire alarms, of course they are just as irresponsible as this woman. However, there is a difference in making 5 children which 3 or more men and bringing them into poverty, and bringing 3 into a stable home though IVF. Are you really that obtuse?

No, you are the obtuse one, plus some. Would it have made a difference if the woman had one child in Lousiana with the same outcome. Puh-leze, you are making excuses for your hypocrisy.

Of course it would have made a difference. one child would be dead instead of 4 (not that one is any less valuable than all 4 together). One unplanned pregnancy into poverty is a mistake, 5 is a lifestyle. And I'm saying this as an unwed, single mother. She obviously wasn't fit to have them or they wouldn't be dead.

Yes you are so right. And that mom in Connecticut wasn't fit to be a mom, or her children would not be dead. How about that mom in Bethesda whose estranged husband kicked their son. She picked the wrong partenr. Darn, she obviously wasn't fit to be a mom, otherwise her son would not be dead. Do you hear how ridicuolus you sound. Perhaps she was not a fit parent, but it has nothing to do with her being impovished. Or, only educated women with a HHI over a certain amount allowed to be single parents. Perhaps you are not fit to be a parent. Who would knowinly raise a fatherless child. See how judgmental people can render a person's decison, you unfit parent, you.

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Hahaha....I'm willing to make you a bet that she wasn't working. In fact, I'm willing to go even further and bet that she hasn't been working in quite some time. Which means that the children (and the mom) were living off of child support (if their fathers aren't in jail) or welfare. Now, before you get all hysterical about how i don't agree with people being on welfare, which couldn't be farther from the truth, consider that she had 5 kids at 26. That leaves her almost 25 years (give or take) to have more children that someone else is going to be paying for. So yeah, having that many at her age in her situation was extremely stupid. But let's say she was just poor and trying to be a good mom to all of them. Would her 2 year old be wondering the streets at midnight??? Now, call me crazy, and overly harsh, but that just screams unfit to me. Yes, judging is ok sometimes! it really, really is!!!! And when you have as much information about me as we do about this lovely lady, then judge away. Until then I suggest you cool off and THINK!!!

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Hahaha....I'm willing to make you a bet that she wasn't working. In fact, I'm willing to go even further and bet that she hasn't been working in quite some time. Which means that the children (and the mom) were living off of child support (if their fathers aren't in jail) or welfare. Now, before you get all hysterical about how i don't agree with people being on welfare, which couldn't be farther from the truth, consider that she had 5 kids at 26. That leaves her almost 25 years (give or take) to have more children that someone else is going to be paying for. So yeah, having that many at her age in her situation was extremely stupid. But let's say she was just poor and trying to be a good mom to all of them. Would her 2 year old be wondering the streets at midnight??? Now, call me crazy, and overly harsh, but that just screams unfit to me. Yes, judging is ok sometimes! it really, really is!!!! And when you have as much information about me as we do about this lovely lady, then judge away. Until then I suggest you cool off and THINK!!!
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No one would disagree that it is obviously terrible to leave a 2 YO without adult supervision. No one would defend this mother or any other for that. I judge that. And I find it deplorable.

What is objectionable is the characterizations of the mother's sexual behavior, about which we reallly have no facts. And the items you list above - she wasn't working - she was on welfare - suggesting father in jail. You don't know any of that. You are speculating.

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Weren't we all read the riot act the other day for judging a local family who had 2/5 children killed in preventable accidents? One child drowned in a pool they didn't have a fence around, another died after the dad fell asleep driving the car the entire family was in, all of them unbuckled. Yet, when some people pointed out that these were poor parenting decisions that directly led to their children's death, we were all told to quit being hateful and judgmental. So why is it okay to put a wall of understanding around an upper middle class white family from here, but not around the young mother of 5 in Louisiana?

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The charges have been updated because she was at a F**KING CLUB.

http://www.katc.com/news/charges-upgraded-against-mother-accused-of-leaving-children-who-died-in-fire/

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Police Chief Carroll Stelly says McDade was at a club in Church Point when the fire broke out Saturday. Stelly adds this was not the first time the children were left home alone. He says his department received a call Friday night about a fight in the neighborhood. When officers arrived, they found the kids home alone and took them to the police station. McDade told police that the situation was the result of a misunderstanding. She thought the children were in the care of their grandmother. The grandmother told police she thought the kids were with McDade.




Now we know why she has so many kids by so many different guys

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When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).

This is exactly right. Who the hell are you to attach the stigma of poor choices (stupidity) and poor morals (which is what she really displyed) to ANY "racial" make-up, skin color, ethinicity, genetic ancestry?

Additionally, other than the picture which some PP recently posted, there was no evidence to point to the color her skin or to her possible ethinicity or genetic heritage. A poor 26 year old female living in a trailer park could just as easily be white, latino, asian, native American, or black. Frankly, the least likely is asian based on statitics and the fact that this was in the rural south of the U.S. Besides, statistically, in this day and age, younger females (uner 30 perhaps? Not sure baout age brackets) are more likely to have children without being married. Percentage wise, I'll bet more white people live in trailers/trailer parks than people of any other skin color or ethinicty.

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Anonymous wrote:This happens all the time in New Orleans. That's not rural La.

Are you saying that Rayne, Louisiana is New Orleans. According to the news article, this tragedy happened in Rayne, not New Orleans.

Rayne is about 2.5 hours west of New Orleans.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps memory has deserted me, but I don't remember back when the Bethesda family with the triplets -- their house burned down because they had no smoke detectors -- I believe it was 2009 -- anyway, I don't remember a long discussion of their decision to have triplets, IVF, and so forth, and their other sexual practices. It just didn't seem relevant to their tragedy.

But that's BETHESDA. They DESERVE our compassion because they're from here. We don't care about rural folks from Louisiana. It cuts into our manufactured entertainment of making fun of them for their plight in life. Don't stop our fun now with your rational arguments.

If the deaths of their children could have been prevented by a simple installation of fire alarms, of course they are just as irresponsible as this woman. However, there is a difference in making 5 children which 3 or more men and bringing them into poverty, and bringing 3 into a stable home though IVF. Are you really that obtuse?

No, you are the obtuse one, plus some. Would it have made a difference if the woman had one child in Lousiana with the same outcome. Puh-leze, you are making excuses for your hypocrisy.

Of course it would have made a difference. one child would be dead instead of 4 (not that one is any less valuable than all 4 together). One unplanned pregnancy into poverty is a mistake, 5 is a lifestyle. And I'm saying this as an unwed, single mother. She obviously wasn't fit to have them or they wouldn't be dead.

Yes you are so right. And that mom in Connecticut wasn't fit to be a mom, or her children would not be dead. How about that mom in Bethesda whose estranged husband kicked their son. She picked the wrong partenr. Darn, she obviously wasn't fit to be a mom, otherwise her son would not be dead. Do you hear how ridicuolus you sound. Perhaps she was not a fit parent, but it has nothing to do with her being impovished. Or, only educated women with a HHI over a certain amount allowed to be single parents. Perhaps you are not fit to be a parent. Who would knowinly raise a fatherless child. See how judgmental people can render a person's decison, you unfit parent, you.

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Hahaha....I'm willing to make you a bet that she wasn't working. In fact, I'm willing to go even further and bet that she hasn't been working in quite some time. Which means that the children (and the mom) were living off of child support (if their fathers aren't in jail) or welfare. Now, before you get all hysterical about how i don't agree with people being on welfare, which couldn't be farther from the truth, consider that she had 5 kids at 26. That leaves her almost 25 years (give or take) to have more children that someone else is going to be paying for. So yeah, having that many at her age in her situation was extremely stupid. But let's say she was just poor and trying to be a good mom to all of them. Would her 2 year old be wondering the streets at midnight??? Now, call me crazy, and overly harsh, but that just screams unfit to me. Yes, judging is ok sometimes! it really, really is!!!! And when you have as much information about me as we do about this lovely lady, then judge away. Until then I suggest you cool off and THINK!!!

You missed the point. And what is with the hahaha, it is laughable to you that children are dead, or that the woman was possibly a SAHM living on welfare.

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When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).

This is exactly right. Who the hell are you to attach the stigma of poor choices (stupidity) and poor morals (which is what she really displyed) to ANY "racial" make-up, skin color, ethinicity, genetic ancestry?

Additionally, other than the picture which some PP recently posted, there was no evidence to point to the color her skin or to her possible ethinicity or genetic heritage. A poor 26 year old female living in a trailer park could just as easily be white, latino, asian, native American, or black. Frankly, the least likely is asian based on statitics and the fact that this was in the rural south of the U.S. Besides, statistically, in this day and age, younger females (uner 30 perhaps? Not sure baout age brackets) are more likely to have children without being married. Percentage wise, I'll bet more white people live in trailers/trailer parks than people of any other skin color or ethinicty.

Her name gives away her race.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps memory has deserted me, but I don't remember back when the Bethesda family with the triplets -- their house burned down because they had no smoke detectors -- I believe it was 2009 -- anyway, I don't remember a long discussion of their decision to have triplets, IVF, and so forth, and their other sexual practices. It just didn't seem relevant to their tragedy.

But that's BETHESDA. They DESERVE our compassion because they're from here. We don't care about rural folks from Louisiana. It cuts into our manufactured entertainment of making fun of them for their plight in life. Don't stop our fun now with your rational arguments.

If the deaths of their children could have been prevented by a simple installation of fire alarms, of course they are just as irresponsible as this woman. However, there is a difference in making 5 children which 3 or more men and bringing them into poverty, and bringing 3 into a stable home though IVF. Are you really that obtuse?

No, you are the obtuse one, plus some. Would it have made a difference if the woman had one child in Lousiana with the same outcome. Puh-leze, you are making excuses for your hypocrisy.

Of course it would have made a difference. one child would be dead instead of 4 (not that one is any less valuable than all 4 together). One unplanned pregnancy into poverty is a mistake, 5 is a lifestyle. And I'm saying this as an unwed, single mother. She obviously wasn't fit to have them or they wouldn't be dead.

Yes you are so right. And that mom in Connecticut wasn't fit to be a mom, or her children would not be dead. How about that mom in Bethesda whose estranged husband kicked their son. She picked the wrong partenr. Darn, she obviously wasn't fit to be a mom, otherwise her son would not be dead. Do you hear how ridicuolus you sound. Perhaps she was not a fit parent, but it has nothing to do with her being impovished. Or, only educated women with a HHI over a certain amount allowed to be single parents. Perhaps you are not fit to be a parent. Who would knowinly raise a fatherless child. See how judgmental people can render a person's decison, you unfit parent, you.

killed

Hahaha....I'm willing to make you a bet that she wasn't working. In fact, I'm willing to go even further and bet that she hasn't been working in quite some time. Which means that the children (and the mom) were living off of child support (if their fathers aren't in jail) or welfare. Now, before you get all hysterical about how i don't agree with people being on welfare, which couldn't be farther from the truth, consider that she had 5 kids at 26. That leaves her almost 25 years (give or take) to have more children that someone else is going to be paying for. So yeah, having that many at her age in her situation was extremely stupid. But let's say she was just poor and trying to be a good mom to all of them. Would her 2 year old be wondering the streets at midnight??? Now, call me crazy, and overly harsh, but that just screams unfit to me. Yes, judging is ok sometimes! it really, really is!!!! And when you have as much information about me as we do about this lovely lady, then judge away. Until then I suggest you cool off and THINK!!!

You missed the point. And what is with the hahaha, it is laughable to you that children are dead, or that the woman was possibly a SAHM living on welfare.

Neither. I was laughing at your hysterics.

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Anonymous wrote:Police Chief Carroll Stelly says McDade was at a club in Church Point when the fire broke out Saturday. Stelly adds this was not the first time the children were left home alone. He says his department received a call Friday night about a fight in the neighborhood. When officers arrived, they found the kids home alone and took them to the police station. McDade told police that the situation was the result of a misunderstanding. She thought the children were in the care of their grandmother. The grandmother told police she thought the kids were with McDade.




Now we know why she has so many kids by so many different guys

Really, this woman left her 4 kids alone while she was out partying and you PPs are defending her choices??

Sorry, but leaving your kids home alone, and defenseless is not the same as not having working smoke detectors.

Again, she left her kids AT HOmE ALONE. I don't care what race she is, that was unacceptable and she is not deserving of my sympathy. Only the kids get my sympathy in this case. I feel terrible for these poor innocent children. They are the real victims here. Not this woman.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps memory has deserted me, but I don't remember back when the Bethesda family with the triplets -- their house burned down because they had no smoke detectors -- I believe it was 2009 -- anyway, I don't remember a long discussion of their decision to have triplets, IVF, and so forth, and their other sexual practices. It just didn't seem relevant to their tragedy.

But that's BETHESDA. They DESERVE our compassion because they're from here. We don't care about rural folks from Louisiana. It cuts into our manufactured entertainment of making fun of them for their plight in life. Don't stop our fun now with your rational arguments.

If the deaths of their children could have been prevented by a simple installation of fire alarms, of course they are just as irresponsible as this woman. However, there is a difference in making 5 children which 3 or more men and bringing them into poverty, and bringing 3 into a stable home though IVF. Are you really that obtuse?

No, you are the obtuse one, plus some. Would it have made a difference if the woman had one child in Lousiana with the same outcome. Puh-leze, you are making excuses for your hypocrisy.

Of course it would have made a difference. one child would be dead instead of 4 (not that one is any less valuable than all 4 together). One unplanned pregnancy into poverty is a mistake, 5 is a lifestyle. And I'm saying this as an unwed, single mother. She obviously wasn't fit to have them or they wouldn't be dead.

Yes you are so right. And that mom in Connecticut wasn't fit to be a mom, or her children would not be dead. How about that mom in Bethesda whose estranged husband kicked their son. She picked the wrong partenr. Darn, she obviously wasn't fit to be a mom, otherwise her son would not be dead. Do you hear how ridicuolus you sound. Perhaps she was not a fit parent, but it has nothing to do with her being impovished. Or, only educated women with a HHI over a certain amount allowed to be single parents. Perhaps you are not fit to be a parent. Who would knowinly raise a fatherless child. See how judgmental people can render a person's decison, you unfit parent, you.

killed

Hahaha....I'm willing to make you a bet that she wasn't working. In fact, I'm willing to go even further and bet that she hasn't been working in quite some time. Which means that the children (and the mom) were living off of child support (if their fathers aren't in jail) or welfare. Now, before you get all hysterical about how i don't agree with people being on welfare, which couldn't be farther from the truth, consider that she had 5 kids at 26. That leaves her almost 25 years (give or take) to have more children that someone else is going to be paying for. So yeah, having that many at her age in her situation was extremely stupid. But let's say she was just poor and trying to be a good mom to all of them. Would her 2 year old be wondering the streets at midnight??? Now, call me crazy, and overly harsh, but that just screams unfit to me. Yes, judging is ok sometimes! it really, really is!!!! And when you have as much information about me as we do about this lovely lady, then judge away. Until then I suggest you cool off and THINK!!!

You missed the point. And what is with the hahaha, it is laughable to you that children are dead, or that the woman was possibly a SAHM living on welfare.

Neither. I was laughing at your hysterics.

Yeah, I could understand why someone like you would consider that hysterics. But, that is your state of non-grace and judgmental attitude about people who are unlike you. I also understand that empathy and sympathy is taught, and somehow someone failed you. I'll pray for you and those like you. No, that's a lie, and God knows it's a lie. I really won't.

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Neither. I was laughing at your hysterics.

Yeah, I could understand why someone like you would consider that hysterics. But, that is your state of non-grace and judgmental attitude about people who are unlike you. I also understand that empathy and sympathy is taught, and somehow someone failed you. I'll pray for you and those like you. No, that's a lie, and God knows it's a lie. I really won't.

Oh, honey. I think I'll be ok just the same, but thanks.

You bet your ass I'm judging this bitch and she is absolutely, POSITIVELY nothing like me. She went out partying while her children burned to death. I have not one ounce of compassion for her.

I think someone failed you on basic common sense!

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Anonymous wrote:OK, so what is wrong with these men that they would have unprotected sex with a woman clearly able to get pregnant and then not provide for the children that most certainly would come from these sexual encounters? They were on notice, after dude #1, that she's ready and able to conceive, and not only did they go ahead and have sex with her anyway, they shirked all responsibility and bailed on her, leaving her a single mother. Where is the outrage directed at all of these men for their irresponsibility and poor decision making? That's right, nowhere, because at the end of the day, it's always the women's fault. [/q

i have been struggling with this issue for a couple of weeks for different reasons. I know I am about set off a bomb in the feminist world, but i wonder if what you have described above, which i think is true and horrible (neglectful "fathers" being let off the hook) is an unintended and unfortunate consequence of the theory that abortion "rights" are entirely about women. i mean, i'm not sure you can say that men who impregnate women have no say in what happens to the zygote/fetus, but then say that they are low life scum (which they are) when they take no responsibility. yes, i know i am over simplifying and that there are no real (or easy) answers.

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But what benefit is there to judging this woman in the abstract? It won't serve any useful purpose or bring the kids back. A focus on what can be done to prevent things like this from happening in the future would be more useful (reporting mechanisms, more prompt intervention by social services and police where there is suggestion of abuse or neglect).