USNWR Top 10 Leaked

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So apparently someone at the Daily Pennsylvanian (the undergrad newspaper at Penn) was able to get their hands on the embargoed U.S. News & World Report college rankings for 2025. They posted a story about it, listing the top 10 schools:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/09/penn-princeton-mit-us-news-rankings-drop

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Caltech
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
6. Northwestern
10. Penn

Thoughts?

If you're at Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, and Northwestern, do you say you are a top 6 school or a top 9?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So apparently someone at the Daily Pennsylvanian (the undergrad newspaper at Penn) was able to get their hands on the embargoed U.S. News & World Report college rankings for 2025. They posted a story about it, listing the top 10 schools:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/09/penn-princeton-mit-us-news-rankings-drop

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Caltech
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
6. Northwestern
10. Penn

Thoughts?

If you're at Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, and Northwestern, do you say you are a top 6 school or a top 9?

Yes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

The theory that people want to attend Penn or Northwestern way more than Brown or Dartmouth is not really supported by data.

Regular decision acceptance rate
4.0% Brown
4.4% Penn
4.5% Dartmouth
5.5% Northwestern

Regular decision yield
53.0% Penn
49.8% Dartmouth
45.0% Brown
36.5% Northwestern

None of that dispels his theory. It suggests they arent even getting into Northwestern which for finance might be true.

At our private school, the kids that attend Dartmouth and Brown are overwhelmingly ranked higher than kids that attend Northwestern. They can easily get into Northwestern.

DP. Interesting. At our West Coast private school, NU would be the overwhelming pick over Dartmouth. More head to head with Brown.

No one is "easily" getting into Northwestern. Nor are they significantly higher ranked when the average GPAs and class ranks of the students at these schools are so similar. What a dumb take. More people would choose Northwestern for the sports scene and way better social scene in Chicago as well.

I’m the DP you replied to. Did you respond to the wrong person? I am saying that more students at our school would choose Northwestern over Dartmouth. It is, obviously, an incredibly selective school regardless, as are the other schools too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So apparently someone at the Daily Pennsylvanian (the undergrad newspaper at Penn) was able to get their hands on the embargoed U.S. News & World Report college rankings for 2025. They posted a story about it, listing the top 10 schools:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/09/penn-princeton-mit-us-news-rankings-drop

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Caltech
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
6. Northwestern
10. Penn

Thoughts?

If you're at Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, and Northwestern, do you say you are a top 6 school or a top 9?

Either "Top 6" or "Top 10". I prefer Top 10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So apparently someone at the Daily Pennsylvanian (the undergrad newspaper at Penn) was able to get their hands on the embargoed U.S. News & World Report college rankings for 2025. They posted a story about it, listing the top 10 schools:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/09/penn-princeton-mit-us-news-rankings-drop

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Caltech
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
6. Northwestern
10. Penn

Thoughts?

If you're at Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, and Northwestern, do you say you are a top 6 school or a top 9?

Either "Top 6" or "Top 10". I prefer Top 10.

Found the Penn alumnus/a.

[Anonymous]

Even though I prefer "Top 10", "Top 15" is fine as this is the typical designation for a super elite National University.

With respect to LACs, "Top 5" is the most common term to designate the most elite colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So apparently someone at the Daily Pennsylvanian (the undergrad newspaper at Penn) was able to get their hands on the embargoed U.S. News & World Report college rankings for 2025. They posted a story about it, listing the top 10 schools:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/09/penn-princeton-mit-us-news-rankings-drop

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Caltech
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
6. Northwestern
10. Penn

Thoughts?

If you're at Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, and Northwestern, do you say you are a top 6 school or a top 9?

Duke and Hopkins say neither. They are Test Optional. No school should be in the top 10, or even top 20, that is TO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins s4cks. It’s a yield protecting, DEI cesspool.

sucks to be rejected

Agree with pp and my kid was NOT rejected. After all of the crap that came out last year, decided it was definitely not the place to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So apparently someone at the Daily Pennsylvanian (the undergrad newspaper at Penn) was able to get their hands on the embargoed U.S. News & World Report college rankings for 2025. They posted a story about it, listing the top 10 schools:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/09/penn-princeton-mit-us-news-rankings-drop

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Caltech
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
6. Northwestern
10. Penn

Thoughts?

If you're at Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, and Northwestern, do you say you are a top 6 school or a top 9?

Either "Top 6" or "Top 10". I prefer Top 10.

Found the Penn alumnus/a.

LOL ! makes sense, but not correct. As I wrote above, I think that "Top 15" is the most appropriate designation for the most elite National Universities.

Use the acronym HYPSM if at a top 5 school, but Top 15 as the next 10 National Universities get shuffled around--and rightfully so in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth stem is terrible. Brown is meh. Plenty of STEM oriented kids rightfully would choose Northwestern.

This is true. You'd think for inclusion into the top ten, you'd have to be broadly good at everything. I don't think Brown or Dartmouth belong here precisely because they don't have much of a presence in engineering. Similarly, I don't think CalTech belongs here either because they have no presence at all in humanities or social sciences. Say what you will about MIT, but they have a great English department and a world class business school. It's obviously one of the world's best comprehensive universities.

But Brown, Dartmouth, and CalTech? No. If you can't compete in engineering or computer science in 2024, you shouldn't be included on any top 10 university list. Similarly, if you don't even have an English or History department, you are far too specialized to be ranked so high. Would replace those three with Cornell, Rice, and Berkeley, who are all good at everything and not notably weak in anything.

[Anonymous]

University education, a well-rounded college education is not about engineering solely. Majority don't give two f*ks about engineering.

There are known top schools for engineering and most of them are public.

That's why usnwr and others has category rankings---best for engineering, etc.

Top schools should be well-rounded and they should focus on UNDERGRADUATE teaching (in the undergrad rankings) and class size, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth stem is terrible. Brown is meh. Plenty of STEM oriented kids rightfully would choose Northwestern.

This is true. You'd think for inclusion into the top ten, you'd have to be broadly good at everything. I don't think Brown or Dartmouth belong here precisely because they don't have much of a presence in engineering. Similarly, I don't think CalTech belongs here either because they have no presence at all in humanities or social sciences. Say what you will about MIT, but they have a great English department and a world class business school. It's obviously one of the world's best comprehensive universities.

But Brown, Dartmouth, and CalTech? No. If you can't compete in engineering or computer science in 2024, you shouldn't be included on any top 10 university list. Similarly, if you don't even have an English or History department, you are far too specialized to be ranked so high. Would replace those three with Cornell, Rice, and Berkeley, who are all good at everything and not notably weak in anything.

Hmmm...if well-rounded mattered---MIT and CalTech would not be T10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth stem is terrible. Brown is meh. Plenty of STEM oriented kids rightfully would choose Northwestern.

This is true. You'd think for inclusion into the top ten, you'd have to be broadly good at everything. I don't think Brown or Dartmouth belong here precisely because they don't have much of a presence in engineering. Similarly, I don't think CalTech belongs here either because they have no presence at all in humanities or social sciences. Say what you will about MIT, but they have a great English department and a world class business school. It's obviously one of the world's best comprehensive universities.

But Brown, Dartmouth, and CalTech? No. If you can't compete in engineering or computer science in 2024, you shouldn't be included on any top 10 university list. Similarly, if you don't even have an English or History department, you are far too specialized to be ranked so high. Would replace those three with Cornell, Rice, and Berkeley, who are all good at everything and not notably weak in anything.

Hmmm...if well-rounded mattered---MIT and CalTech would not be T10.

Precisely, if my kid were pre-law or politics or history I wouldn’t be looking at MIT or CalTech, but certainly Dartmouth and Brown would make the cut. One of which has a med school and good bio and top public health.

[Anonymous]

Caltech is so tiny, I really believe it belongs on a separate list of hyper-niche but excellent schools. It basically functions as the teaching department of the JPL.

[Anonymous]

Way too much nuance which makes these lists silly. At our top performing school students do a pretty good job of selecting the ED fit that makes sense with pretty good success. Kid likes nature and government then Dartmouth, stem or journalism and a little artsy then maybe Northwestern. The rest just shotgunning top schools unhooked are just hoping for 1 and not in a position to fret over rank 3, 6, 12 whatever.