USNWR Top 10 Leaked

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Anonymous wrote:Caltech is so tiny, I really believe it belongs on a separate list of hyper-niche but excellent schools. It basically functions as the teaching department of the JPL.

What is JPL?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Caltech is so tiny, I really believe it belongs on a separate list of hyper-niche but excellent schools. It basically functions as the teaching department of the JPL.

What is JPL?

Jet Propulsion Lab

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Caltech is so tiny, I really believe it belongs on a separate list of hyper-niche but excellent schools. It basically functions as the teaching department of the JPL.

What is JPL?

Jet Propulsion Lab

Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Caltech is so tiny, I really believe it belongs on a separate list of hyper-niche but excellent schools. It basically functions as the teaching department of the JPL.

Most Caltech faculty have nothing to do with JPL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Caltech is so tiny, I really believe it belongs on a separate list of hyper-niche but excellent schools. It basically functions as the teaching department of the JPL.

Most Caltech faculty have nothing to do with JPL.

JPL is way over saturated discussion when Caltech is brought up. Caltech itself is its own research institute and does not need JPL. Call tech basically functions as a research institute with a teaching wing…oh wait that’s just caltech

[Anonymous]

Caltech totally overrated. Same with UPenn, to be honest. They were caught lying about their data, too, hence the rankings drop.

[Anonymous]

Again, Caltech's entire student undergraduate student body is less than the freshman class at any of the other schools discussed.

It's also a relative unknown on the east coast to many.

https://tech.caltech.edu/2024/04/26/letter-sat-reinstatement/

Good read into the state of Caltech plaguing other schools I'm sure as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, Caltech's entire student undergraduate student body is less than the freshman class at any of the other schools discussed.

It's also a relative unknown on the east coast to many.

https://tech.caltech.edu/2024/04/26/letter-sat-reinstatement/

Good read into the state of Caltech plaguing other schools I'm sure as well.

It's very well known. Most people I've spoken to about schools consider it the west coast equivalent to MIT, just smaller

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, Caltech's entire student undergraduate student body is less than the freshman class at any of the other schools discussed.

It's also a relative unknown on the east coast to many.

https://tech.caltech.edu/2024/04/26/letter-sat-reinstatement/

Good read into the state of Caltech plaguing other schools I'm sure as well.

It's very well known. Most people I've spoken to about schools consider it the west coast equivalent to MIT, just smaller

it is not very well known by the general public. MIT is well known. If you go up to a random person on the street in Massachusetts o DC, will they know Caltech? No.

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When does the full list come out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, Caltech's entire student undergraduate student body is less than the freshman class at any of the other schools discussed.

It's also a relative unknown on the east coast to many.

https://tech.caltech.edu/2024/04/26/letter-sat-reinstatement/

Good read into the state of Caltech plaguing other schools I'm sure as well.

It's very well known. Most people I've spoken to about schools consider it the west coast equivalent to MIT, just smaller

https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/18ndc7l/what_is_the_general_perception_around_caltech/

Actual grounding in reality.

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Anonymous wrote:When does the full list come out?

September 24, 2024.

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Anonymous wrote:So apparently someone at the Daily Pennsylvanian (the undergrad newspaper at Penn) was able to get their hands on the embargoed U.S. News & World Report college rankings for 2025. They posted a story about it, listing the top 10 schools:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/09/penn-princeton-mit-us-news-rankings-drop

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Caltech
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
6. Northwestern
10. Penn

Thoughts?

If you're at Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, and Northwestern, do you say you are a top 6 school or a top 9?

Either "Top 6" or "Top 10". I prefer Top 10.

Shouldn't it be Top5, Top15, Top 25, Top50?

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth stem is terrible. Brown is meh. Plenty of STEM oriented kids rightfully would choose Northwestern.

This is true. You'd think for inclusion into the top ten, you'd have to be broadly good at everything. I don't think Brown or Dartmouth belong here precisely because they don't have much of a presence in engineering. Similarly, I don't think CalTech belongs here either because they have no presence at all in humanities or social sciences. Say what you will about MIT, but they have a great English department and a world class business school. It's obviously one of the world's best comprehensive universities.

But Brown, Dartmouth, and CalTech? No. If you can't compete in engineering or computer science in 2024, you shouldn't be included on any top 10 university list. Similarly, if you don't even have an English or History department, you are far too specialized to be ranked so high. Would replace those three with Cornell, Rice, and Berkeley, who are all good at everything and not notably weak in anything.

What does a ranking even mean if you are throwing in things that are extraneous to a person considering it? Does Consumer Reports combine huge pickups and sports cars in the same category?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth stem is terrible. Brown is meh. Plenty of STEM oriented kids rightfully would choose Northwestern.

This is true. You'd think for inclusion into the top ten, you'd have to be broadly good at everything. I don't think Brown or Dartmouth belong here precisely because they don't have much of a presence in engineering. Similarly, I don't think CalTech belongs here either because they have no presence at all in humanities or social sciences. Say what you will about MIT, but they have a great English department and a world class business school. It's obviously one of the world's best comprehensive universities.

But Brown, Dartmouth, and CalTech? No. If you can't compete in engineering or computer science in 2024, you shouldn't be included on any top 10 university list. Similarly, if you don't even have an English or History department, you are far too specialized to be ranked so high. Would replace those three with Cornell, Rice, and Berkeley, who are all good at everything and not notably weak in anything.

What does a ranking even mean if you are throwing in things that are extraneous to a person considering it? Does Consumer Reports combine huge pickups and sports cars in the same category?

Consumer Reports actually isn't dramatically different. They list their highest-ranked cars across all categories (so yes, you might see a Tesla alongside an F150 alongside a Prius, etc.). They also list the highest cars by SUV, compact, sedan, minivan, etc.

USNews breaks out their rankings by best business, engineering, math, chemistry, etc. if that's all you care about vs. how a school does overall.