Dave Grohl vs Taylor Swift

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

Are you saying that as long as a statement is factual, it can never be insulting?

It can still be insulting but it's harder to defend against. I think the main thing here is that some people care about concerts being totally live and others are okay with some recorded elements if the overall show is spectacular. Grohl has earned the right to say "our way is better." Taylor has also earned the right to say "my way is better." But it's interesting that no is stepping up to say "actually backing tracks are awesome and better than live singing -- instead it's more like "well it's understandable that they use backing tracks because it would be unrealistic to expect someone to be belting out singing for 3 hours while doing a bunch of dance numbers and running all over a huge stage." Which is fine but lots of people think it makes for an inferior fan experience. You might not be one of them but people who go see the Foo Fighters play often are.

So sure it's an insult. But before you start crying about it ask yourself if you are really ready for this debate because I think maybe you are not.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

The hilarious thing here is that he was making a joke about the *fact* that Swift uses backing vocals during her shows (while Foo Fighers do not and you are hearing a truly live and singular performance when you see them which is something worth bragging about -- it's awesome) but Swift and her fans are like "how DARE he insult Taylor's band.

Uh... he didn't. He knows they play live. It's possible he knows them because that's not a huge world and Grohl has been around for a long time. Foo Fighters are like his 19th or 20th band. The first Foo Fighter album was literally just Grohl recording a whole ass album by himself playing all the instruments and doing the vocals alone as a way to get through his grief after Kurt Cobain's suicide. Then he formed a band and called it the Foo Fighters. Grohl is one of the realest mofos in music and he gets to be proud of that and if he wants to make a joke about TSwift using backing vocals on Eras (which she obviously does) I Do. Not. Care. Team Dave forever. Taylor is a billionaire with a million Grammys. Somehow she'll get through this trying time .

Taylor Swift and company are master manipulators.

I always supported her despite not really liking her music. I thought she handled some of the knocks thrown at her well andwas glad she continued to find her place. I supported her until I read about the way she manipulates her life story and songs to attack various people in her life. She's willing led her rabid fans to assume some of the guys she was associated with were abusive. Someone published a time line of her songs and events in her life and showed how she used people to garner sympathy and increase sales.

Again, Taylor Swift is a master manipulator.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

Dp Are you kidding? She has been swiped out for YEARS! There are a ton of people who would have loved if she failed in the past and failed now.

+1
Pretty gratifying that she is now the most successful pop star of all time. I guess that really gets under the haters’ skin.

And yet, you still have the need to insult others for her.
She must have the most unaware fandom ever. “No one should put down another woman EVER.”
“How DARE you insult the queen, I must insult you!”

dp Where was the insult you speak about? Saying you get under people's skin isn't an insult. And the fact is if Taylor was a man Dave wouldn't have said anything.

You are right- Death threats to his daughter aren’t exactly insults.But saying a singer that is using backup tracks isn’t completely live is the truth.

If it makes you think less of Taylor that is on you and what you deem important out of a concert experience.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

He vocals are live.

Not all of them. She uses backing tracks especially on the very dance focused numbers -- there are points in the show when you can tell she's singing along not just singing. Which is fine (pop fans are fine with backing tracks because it's more about the whole experience and seeing their favorite act on stage and the dancing and sets and the fact that some of the music is not 100% live is okay especially when it ensures a more consistent experience from show to show) but it's also fine for Grohl to be like "we don't use backing tracks -- everything you hear is happening live."

It doesn't matter if she uses back tracking, her vocals are live.

When people say a concert is not live, it means the music is prerecorded and they lip sync.

He didn't say we don't use backing track, he said they are actually live. Well so is the Taylor Swift band and her vocals are live she is not lip syncing.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

He vocals are live.

Not all of them. She uses backing tracks especially on the very dance focused numbers -- there are points in the show when you can tell she's singing along not just singing. Which is fine (pop fans are fine with backing tracks because it's more about the whole experience and seeing their favorite act on stage and the dancing and sets and the fact that some of the music is not 100% live is okay especially when it ensures a more consistent experience from show to show) but it's also fine for Grohl to be like "we don't use backing tracks -- everything you hear is happening live."

It doesn't matter if she uses back tracking, her vocals are live.

When people say a concert is not live, it means the music is prerecorded and they lip sync.

He didn't say we don't use backing track, he said they are actually live. Well so is the Taylor Swift band and her vocals are live she is not lip syncing.

She is lip syncing on certain songs. She uses backing vocals on many of her more dance-intensive numbers and there are parts where she's not singing or barely singing. Some of what you hear is live but some of it is pre-recorded.

Her band is live but no one ever insinuated otherwise -- Dave Grohl was not commenting on the experienced touring musicians on Eras. And Taylor knows that.

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I love Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift both so much.

And I was in London last week where they were both performing. I think this is a big nothing burger. It’s clear Dave respects Taylor as many anecdotes on this thread have shown. And it’s hilarious that his lead guitarist Pat Smear was at her Wembly show and hamming up for the camera and loving it.

I think given the vibe in London it would be crazy for dave not to acknowledge the Eras tour. When I first found out FF were going to be in London I was confused about where they might be playing because Wembley is Wembley. But there is another stadium that seats 80k folks which is about right for a foo fighters concert.

If you were on the tube on the night of one of Taylor shows it was all about Taylor. There were specific people and specific announcements advising people how to get to her show, what train to take and what not to take. It wasn’t like that for foo fighters but then again I’m not sure where they were playing and maybe it wasn’t accessible by tube anyway. There were big signs welcoming Taylor to the UK and I didn’t see that for the Foo Fighters. The only reason I knew they were playing in London is because I’m a fan and follow a bunch of Foo Fighters sites on insta.

I think there was another huge tour in town and Dave was acknowledging that. His joke surprised me a little, and maybe was a little distasteful, but I don’t think it was really a big diss. Let’s face it, they are too very different shows from very talented people with huge fan bases and ridiculous success.

I think he was acknowledging that there are errors in any show and playing on words. I didn’t necessarily think it was a huge dig on Taylor. I think she was right to defend her band and all the performers who are working their asses off live. But I don’t see them having any big beef.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

He vocals are live.

Not all of them. She uses backing tracks especially on the very dance focused numbers -- there are points in the show when you can tell she's singing along not just singing. Which is fine (pop fans are fine with backing tracks because it's more about the whole experience and seeing their favorite act on stage and the dancing and sets and the fact that some of the music is not 100% live is okay especially when it ensures a more consistent experience from show to show) but it's also fine for Grohl to be like "we don't use backing tracks -- everything you hear is happening live."

It doesn't matter if she uses back tracking, her vocals are live.

When people say a concert is not live, it means the music is prerecorded and they lip sync.

He didn't say we don't use backing track, he said they are actually live. Well so is the Taylor Swift band and her vocals are live she is not lip syncing.

She is lip syncing on certain songs. She uses backing vocals on many of her more dance-intensive numbers and there are parts where she's not singing or barely singing. Some of what you hear is live but some of it is pre-recorded.

Her band is live but no one ever insinuated otherwise -- Dave Grohl was not commenting on the experienced touring musicians on Eras. And Taylor knows that.

Wrong.

Doesn’t matter either way us Foo Fighters fans, and David Grohl fans are disappointed in him being a dick.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

He vocals are live.

Not all of them. She uses backing tracks especially on the very dance focused numbers -- there are points in the show when you can tell she's singing along not just singing. Which is fine (pop fans are fine with backing tracks because it's more about the whole experience and seeing their favorite act on stage and the dancing and sets and the fact that some of the music is not 100% live is okay especially when it ensures a more consistent experience from show to show) but it's also fine for Grohl to be like "we don't use backing tracks -- everything you hear is happening live."

It doesn't matter if she uses back tracking, her vocals are live.

When people say a concert is not live, it means the music is prerecorded and they lip sync.

He didn't say we don't use backing track, he said they are actually live. Well so is the Taylor Swift band and her vocals are live she is not lip syncing.

She is lip syncing on certain songs. She uses backing vocals on many of her more dance-intensive numbers and there are parts where she's not singing or barely singing. Some of what you hear is live but some of it is pre-recorded.

Her band is live but no one ever insinuated otherwise -- Dave Grohl was not commenting on the experienced touring musicians on Eras. And Taylor knows that.

Wrong.

Doesn’t matter either way us Foo Fighters fans, and David Grohl fans are disappointed in him being a dick.

Uh not wrong. It is a known fact. It's also industry standard.

Here's a (rave!) review of Taylor's Eras tour but an established music journalist who notes early in the review that Taylor relies on backing tracks particularly for songs that require a higher range : https://www.slantmagazine.com/live-reviews/taylor-swift-eras-tour-los-angeles-live-review/

And here's the Daily Beast coming to Taylor's defense regarding Grohl's comments but acknowledging that obviously she uses backing tracks in her show and sometimes it is obvious to fans at shows (who don't mind!): https://www.thedailybeast.com/taylor-swift-claps-back-at-dave-grohlbut-does-he-have-a-point

You can argue it is reasonable for her to use these tracks and that everyone uses them and that they don't take away from the show. But you can't sit there and say she doesn't use these tracks or that she is 100% live on tour because she is not.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

Are you saying that as long as a statement is factual, it can never be insulting?

It can still be insulting but it's harder to defend against. I think the main thing here is that some people care about concerts being totally live and others are okay with some recorded elements if the overall show is spectacular. Grohl has earned the right to say "our way is better." Taylor has also earned the right to say "my way is better." But it's interesting that no is stepping up to say "actually backing tracks are awesome and better than live singing -- instead it's more like "well it's understandable that they use backing tracks because it would be unrealistic to expect someone to be belting out singing for 3 hours while doing a bunch of dance numbers and running all over a huge stage." Which is fine but lots of people think it makes for an inferior fan experience. You might not be one of them but people who go see the Foo Fighters play often are.

So sure it's an insult. But before you start crying about it ask yourself if you are really ready for this debate because I think maybe you are not.

Not sure why the long reply. I was directly responding to the poster before me who said that it was not insulting because it was true.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

The hilarious thing here is that he was making a joke about the *fact* that Swift uses backing vocals during her shows (while Foo Fighers do not and you are hearing a truly live and singular performance when you see them which is something worth bragging about -- it's awesome) but Swift and her fans are like "how DARE he insult Taylor's band.

Uh... he didn't. He knows they play live. It's possible he knows them because that's not a huge world and Grohl has been around for a long time. Foo Fighters are like his 19th or 20th band. The first Foo Fighter album was literally just Grohl recording a whole ass album by himself playing all the instruments and doing the vocals alone as a way to get through his grief after Kurt Cobain's suicide. Then he formed a band and called it the Foo Fighters. Grohl is one of the realest mofos in music and he gets to be proud of that and if he wants to make a joke about TSwift using backing vocals on Eras (which she obviously does) I Do. Not. Care. Team Dave forever. Taylor is a billionaire with a million Grammys. Somehow she'll get through this trying time .

Taylor Swift and company are master manipulators.

I always supported her despite not really liking her music. I thought she handled some of the knocks thrown at her well andwas glad she continued to find her place. I supported her until I read about the way she manipulates her life story and songs to attack various people in her life. She's willing led her rabid fans to assume some of the guys she was associated with were abusive. Someone published a time line of her songs and events in her life and showed how she used people to garner sympathy and increase sales.

Again, Taylor Swift is a master manipulator.

This is true. Do I like her songs? Yes. But who cares about breakups and stuff. I don't even know who her songs are about. Nobody else should either. But she makes sure everyone does, so like you say, that is pretty sucky and horrible. And her fans are the worst. Her fans make Philly fans look good.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown WOMAN to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

fixed it for you. I don't hate her I just hate the drama she and her team create every single time she has a tour or is introducing a new (or barely new) album.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

The hilarious thing here is that he was making a joke about the *fact* that Swift uses backing vocals during her shows (while Foo Fighers do not and you are hearing a truly live and singular performance when you see them which is something worth bragging about -- it's awesome) but Swift and her fans are like "how DARE he insult Taylor's band.

Uh... he didn't. He knows they play live. It's possible he knows them because that's not a huge world and Grohl has been around for a long time. Foo Fighters are like his 19th or 20th band. The first Foo Fighter album was literally just Grohl recording a whole ass album by himself playing all the instruments and doing the vocals alone as a way to get through his grief after Kurt Cobain's suicide. Then he formed a band and called it the Foo Fighters. Grohl is one of the realest mofos in music and he gets to be proud of that and if he wants to make a joke about TSwift using backing vocals on Eras (which she obviously does) I Do. Not. Care. Team Dave forever. Taylor is a billionaire with a million Grammys. Somehow she'll get through this trying time .

Taylor Swift and company are master manipulators.

I always supported her despite not really liking her music. I thought she handled some of the knocks thrown at her well andwas glad she continued to find her place. I supported her until I read about the way she manipulates her life story and songs to attack various people in her life. She's willing led her rabid fans to assume some of the guys she was associated with were abusive. Someone published a time line of her songs and events in her life and showed how she used people to garner sympathy and increase sales.

Again, Taylor Swift is a master manipulator.

This is true. Do I like her songs? Yes. But who cares about breakups and stuff. I don't even know who her songs are about. Nobody else should either. But she makes sure everyone does, so like you say, that is pretty sucky and horrible. And her fans are the worst. Her fans make Philly fans look good.

You summed it up perfectly. Her fans would murder for her and she, like the orange man she and most of us hate, seem to live to stir up their crowd.

The article mentioned above also covered friends she dropped and assumed reasons for why she booted them. She's very young and lives in such a bubble that she lives too much for her fame. I think the reality is no one can get this wealthy, this famous, this popular without becoming a dictator.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

He vocals are live.

Not all of them. She uses backing tracks especially on the very dance focused numbers -- there are points in the show when you can tell she's singing along not just singing. Which is fine (pop fans are fine with backing tracks because it's more about the whole experience and seeing their favorite act on stage and the dancing and sets and the fact that some of the music is not 100% live is okay especially when it ensures a more consistent experience from show to show) but it's also fine for Grohl to be like "we don't use backing tracks -- everything you hear is happening live."

It doesn't matter if she uses back tracking, her vocals are live.

When people say a concert is not live, it means the music is prerecorded and they lip sync.

He didn't say we don't use backing track, he said they are actually live. Well so is the Taylor Swift band and her vocals are live she is not lip syncing.

She is lip syncing on certain songs. She uses backing vocals on many of her more dance-intensive numbers and there are parts where she's not singing or barely singing. Some of what you hear is live but some of it is pre-recorded.

Her band is live but no one ever insinuated otherwise -- Dave Grohl was not commenting on the experienced touring musicians on Eras. And Taylor knows that.

Wrong.

Doesn’t matter either way us Foo Fighters fans, and David Grohl fans are disappointed in him being a dick.

I’m not. The truth is out there, if you don’t like it, the ostrich approach (bury your head in the sand) works for a bit, but eventually it will sink in that she isn’t entirely live.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

He vocals are live.

Not all of them. She uses backing tracks especially on the very dance focused numbers -- there are points in the show when you can tell she's singing along not just singing. Which is fine (pop fans are fine with backing tracks because it's more about the whole experience and seeing their favorite act on stage and the dancing and sets and the fact that some of the music is not 100% live is okay especially when it ensures a more consistent experience from show to show) but it's also fine for Grohl to be like "we don't use backing tracks -- everything you hear is happening live."

It doesn't matter if she uses back tracking, her vocals are live.

When people say a concert is not live, it means the music is prerecorded and they lip sync.

He didn't say we don't use backing track, he said they are actually live. Well so is the Taylor Swift band and her vocals are live she is not lip syncing.

She is lip syncing on certain songs. She uses backing vocals on many of her more dance-intensive numbers and there are parts where she's not singing or barely singing. Some of what you hear is live but some of it is pre-recorded.

Her band is live but no one ever insinuated otherwise -- Dave Grohl was not commenting on the experienced touring musicians on Eras. And Taylor knows that.

Wrong.

Doesn’t matter either way us Foo Fighters fans, and David Grohl fans are disappointed in him being a dick.

Lol. No, we're really not.

Most Foo fans are chill adults in theirs 40s that grew on grunge.

We're not going to be disappointed in our of rock heros for having a little fun ragging on a pop star. I would bet 99% of Dave fans would chuckle along with him.

Have you been to one of his shows? He just shoots the sh#t, off the cuff, between songs half the time. When they were at Merriweather a few years ago, he just made fun of the maryland accent for the entire show.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying that Dave was misquoted – well you can watch the clip for yourself. Why did he even try to compare one concert to another, why even bring Taylor up in the middle of your own concert – but anyway if there’s something that’s been misconstrued….Why hasn’t he spoken out and just be like move on guys nothing here?

Why is TS at the peak of the music world immune from a competitive snipe?
Why?

What? Your take is that its ok for a grown man to spread a false narrative/dig about a fellow artist because the female performer at the peak of the music world?

There is absolutely no competition between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift. Completely different markets and they both sold out a show on the same night same city. This is not a "competitive snipe".

Yeah it was- he was contrasting his show with the biggest show in the business.

And he didn’t spread a false rumor. Did he tweet this? Include an Easter egg in his song for hit his grohlies to take down TS?

No the press blasted this. He made one comment during his show.

This. The fact that Grohl mentioned Swift in this way is actually a compliment to her success. This thin-skinned crying foul because he ribbed her a bit instead of sticking to glowing compliments (which not have been consistent with his onstage persona, which is jokey, a bit sardonic, self-deprecating) is tiresome.

Some of you are taking this way more personally than it was meant for some reason. He made a pun. Grow up.

Yup. Most people complaining about this have not been to a Foo show. Self-depreciating off-the-cuff jokes and comments are pretty norm for him.

It's just amazing how triggered the TS fans get

Saying that you make mistakes because you do things better (play live) is not exactly self-deprecating. As others have said, she’s defending her band- I don’t know why people think this is a bad thing.

Did he say it was better? Or is that a judgement you are making about the comment? No one said he did things better- except you.

You would have to be pretty dense to not read the statement as a veiled insult.

But. She. Does. It. Her band and dancing is all live. The vocals not all of them. How is that insulting exactly?

He vocals are live.

Not all of them. She uses backing tracks especially on the very dance focused numbers -- there are points in the show when you can tell she's singing along not just singing. Which is fine (pop fans are fine with backing tracks because it's more about the whole experience and seeing their favorite act on stage and the dancing and sets and the fact that some of the music is not 100% live is okay especially when it ensures a more consistent experience from show to show) but it's also fine for Grohl to be like "we don't use backing tracks -- everything you hear is happening live."

It doesn't matter if she uses back tracking, her vocals are live.

When people say a concert is not live, it means the music is prerecorded and they lip sync.

He didn't say we don't use backing track, he said they are actually live. Well so is the Taylor Swift band and her vocals are live she is not lip syncing.

She is lip syncing on certain songs. She uses backing vocals on many of her more dance-intensive numbers and there are parts where she's not singing or barely singing. Some of what you hear is live but some of it is pre-recorded.

Her band is live but no one ever insinuated otherwise -- Dave Grohl was not commenting on the experienced touring musicians on Eras. And Taylor knows that.

Wrong.

Doesn’t matter either way us Foo Fighters fans, and David Grohl fans are disappointed in him being a dick.

Lol. No, we're really not.

Most Foo fans are chill adults in theirs 40s that grew on grunge.

We're not going to be disappointed in our of rock heros for having a little fun ragging on a pop star. I would bet 99% of Dave fans would chuckle along with him.

Have you been to one of his shows? He just shoots the sh#t, off the cuff, between songs half the time. When they were at Merriweather a few years ago, he just made fun of the maryland accent for the entire show.

Oh that sounds hilarious -- sorry I missed that show

- person with a maryland accent who has a better sense of humor than Taylor Swift