Student apprehended with loaded gun at Gaithersburg High

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS hasn't even had a Chief Safety Officer since the last one left last fall after having only been on the job for 5 months. I don't think anyone has been named the acting chief since. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Correct. And the predecessor, Ed Clarke, before the one who quit abruptly in November, Pam Wheeler-Taylor, was fired for failing to document and report serious incidents in the school system to the state as required by law.

No Pam was not fired, she’d quit and is now a back to police work

The extremists invent half these stories in a feeble attempt to support their political agenda of turning schools into kid prisons.

Nobody invented anything. The PP has reading comprehension issues.

Nope, the post was a lie.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS hasn't even had a Chief Safety Officer since the last one left last fall after having only been on the job for 5 months. I don't think anyone has been named the acting chief since. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Correct. And the predecessor, Ed Clarke, before the one who quit abruptly in November, Pam Wheeler-Taylor, was fired for failing to document and report serious incidents in the school system to the state as required by law.

No Pam was not fired, she’d quit and is now a back to police work

The extremists invent half these stories in a feeble attempt to support their political agenda of turning schools into kid prisons.

Nobody invented anything. The PP has reading comprehension issues.

Nope, the post was a lie.

Reread. The PP said Clarke was fired.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

Gun laws are useless. They are not useless but up your opinion is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

That didn't help at either Parkland or Uvalde. You might want to consider stricter gun controls.

Why does it have to be one or the other? There are cases where properly trained SROs responded quickly and did make a difference.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryland-school-shooting-school-resource-officer-gunman-great-mills-high-school/

Because the SRO did not stop him. The shooter killed the intended target, the ex girlfriend, and himself.

The SRO literally did not stop the shooter.

This is like saying because there are a few bad cops, then we should get rid of all of them. Or because there are a few bad doctors, we need to get rid of all of them too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

That didn't help at either Parkland or Uvalde. You might want to consider stricter gun controls.

Why does it have to be one or the other? There are cases where properly trained SROs responded quickly and did make a difference.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryland-school-shooting-school-resource-officer-gunman-great-mills-high-school/

Because the SRO did not stop him. The shooter killed the intended target, the ex girlfriend, and himself.

The SRO literally did not stop the shooter.

This is like saying because there are a few bad cops, then we should get rid of all of them. Or because there are a few bad doctors, we need to get rid of all of them too.

They’re never going to understand that. They’re going to keep trotting out the Parkland/Uvalde crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s the main reason why PGCPS only allows clear backpacks.

Sorry why can't MCPS do this?

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

That didn't help at either Parkland or Uvalde. You might want to consider stricter gun controls.

Why does it have to be one or the other? There are cases where properly trained SROs responded quickly and did make a difference.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryland-school-shooting-school-resource-officer-gunman-great-mills-high-school/

Because the SRO did not stop him. The shooter killed the intended target, the ex girlfriend, and himself.

The SRO literally did not stop the shooter.

This is like saying because there are a few bad cops, then we should get rid of all of them. Or because there are a few bad doctors, we need to get rid of all of them too.

No it’s not. I never said the cop was bad. I also support cops in schools like the CEO program, MCOS has.

I’m just pointing out that your link is about a shooter who was not stopped by the cop.

Of course you are missing the fact that the CEO at Gaithersburg HS recovered the gun with nobody being shot.

The Gaithersburg story is the positive story but you’re so invested in hating everything about MCPS you are blind to that fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS hasn't even had a Chief Safety Officer since the last one left last fall after having only been on the job for 5 months. I don't think anyone has been named the acting chief since. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Correct. And the predecessor, Ed Clarke, before the one who quit abruptly in November, Pam Wheeler-Taylor, was fired for failing to document and report serious incidents in the school system to the state as required by law.

No Pam was not fired, she’d quit and is now a back to police work

The extremists invent half these stories in a feeble attempt to support their political agenda of turning schools into kid prisons.

Nobody invented anything. The PP has reading comprehension issues.

Nope, the post was a lie.

Reread. The PP said Clarke was fired.

This poster who keeps insisting a lie was told when one wasn't needs some serious elementary-level reading interventions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

That didn't help at either Parkland or Uvalde. You might want to consider stricter gun controls.

Why does it have to be one or the other? There are cases where properly trained SROs responded quickly and did make a difference.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryland-school-shooting-school-resource-officer-gunman-great-mills-high-school/

Because the SRO did not stop him. The shooter killed the intended target, the ex girlfriend, and himself.

The SRO literally did not stop the shooter.

This is like saying because there are a few bad cops, then we should get rid of all of them. Or because there are a few bad doctors, we need to get rid of all of them too.

No it’s not. I never said the cop was bad. I also support cops in schools like the CEO program, MCOS has.

I’m just pointing out that your link is about a shooter who was not stopped by the cop.

Of course you are missing the fact that the CEO at Gaithersburg HS recovered the gun with nobody being shot.

The Gaithersburg story is the positive story but you’re so invested in hating everything about MCPS you are blind to that fact.

This.
The arrangement works as intended, without anybody got roughed up, slammed on the floor or got shot.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

Gun controls are at the state and federal level and it means nothing because the guns are already out there.

The question is what can MCPS do to keep our students and staff safe. Have 2 police at HS and 1 at ES and MS is a good start. Plus, multiple security guards.

What do you propose to do? You only talk about laws but laws mean nothing without enforcement plus you have the issue of getting the guns off the street which are there. It's not that simple.

MCPS needs more security and police in the schools. Camera's everywhere. And, suspension, behavioral schools and expulsion if necessary.

Our kids should feel safe going to school every day.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s the main reason why PGCPS only allows clear backpacks.

Sorry why can't MCPS do this?

You can store a gun or weapon in a small bag or lunch bag.. that's only a small help. Anyone who wants to bring something in will find a way.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

Gun controls are at the state and federal level and it means nothing because the guns are already out there.

The question is what can MCPS do to keep our students and staff safe. Have 2 police at HS and 1 at ES and MS is a good start. Plus, multiple security guards.

What do you propose to do? You only talk about laws but laws mean nothing without enforcement plus you have the issue of getting the guns off the street which are there. It's not that simple.

MCPS needs more security and police in the schools. Camera's everywhere. And, suspension, behavioral schools and expulsion if necessary.

Our kids should feel safe going to school every day.

What exactly are you unhappy about with the Gaithersburg situation, it worked.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

Fortunately we don't have to do things like this.

Clearly there is a need!

Agree, there is a need for stricter gun control, but SROs have been shown conclusively to be useless.

Gun controls are at the state and federal level and it means nothing because the guns are already out there.

The question is what can MCPS do to keep our students and staff safe. Have 2 police at HS and 1 at ES and MS is a good start. Plus, multiple security guards.

What do you propose to do? You only talk about laws but laws mean nothing without enforcement plus you have the issue of getting the guns off the street which are there. It's not that simple.

MCPS needs more security and police in the schools. Camera's everywhere. And, suspension, behavioral schools and expulsion if necessary.

Our kids should feel safe going to school every day.

What exactly are you unhappy about with the Gaithersburg situation, it worked.

dp.. thankfully, this situation was resolved quickly without anyone getting hurt.

What I and many others are concerned about is the growing gun issues in our schools and the possibility that one of these days, the gun being brought to school will be used for a mass shooting. We're afraid that there is an ever increasing issue of violence in schools, and along with the increasing incidents of guns being brought to school, it's clear that we need a better response to potential threats.

https://moco360.media/2022/04/01/what-you-need-to-know-about-police-officers-in-montgomery-county-schools/

Each of the county’s principals supported keeping the SRO program in place, according to MCPS. Many parents advocated for police to remain in schools.

MCPS has been slow to hire additional social workers, though, and in a recent interview with Bethesda Beat, Elrich said that if he had known it would have taken such a long time to fill those positions, he would have talked more about an “interim” plan.

School district and police department leaders have acknowledged an increase in “serious incidents” at county schools this academic year, including the first school shooting in MCPS history in January at Col. Zadok Magruder High School.

Principals know more about what is going in the schools than the BOE, Elrich, the county council and sjw.

After the shooting at Magruder, the powers that be realized that we need cops to be closer, so they changed the model of the CEO to have an office in the building rather than just be outside, but close to the schools.

Does a mass shooting need to occur in order for the powers that be to realize that a CEO in a tiny office can't as easily respond to a mass shooting compared to an SRO who walks the halls?

And maybe if we had SROs walking the halls, especially near the bathrooms, there would be less vaping in the bathrooms, and the Principals will feel more comfortable opening more bathrooms for the rest of the kids to use for their bodily functions.

I realize that the SROs in Uvalde and Parkland were useless, but that doesn't make all SROs useless. Unless the anti-SROs have a better plan to address the uptick in violence and guns (more gun control isn't going to stop it, and MD already has pretty strict gun laws), an SRO is at least one solution to a complex problem. It's why our neighboring county, PG, that is majority black and brown, decided to keep their SROs.