Visiting family - Prayers before meals

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can't take 10 seconds to give thanks for the bountiful food on the table?

OP, why did you marry your husband? He went to church and attended church schools and grew up in a religious home.

For 1000's of years people farmed and knew feast and famine. Grace is a thank you for the food on the table.

It isn't 10 seconds. Op says they can get quite lengthy.

What is the harm if it is 10 min? You certainly can do a yoga class for one hour.

Nobody is praying for 10 minutes at a dinner. Pastors don’t pray that long in church.

It’s disgusting that people lie and exaggerate to cause issues about non-issues.

Nobody should be having anxiety about this and nobody should equate a religious belief with a rude bodily function, racism, etc. How old are these posters?

I should be surprised but the thread about a man being stalked, harassed, threatened, and his family threatened with torture and deportation, and insults about intelligence and social class (on repeated occasions) was removed after several posters didn’t see a problem. Atheists have no problem with harassment and threats and insults to religious people just minding their own business at work, but grace before a family meal is the complete enemy of humanity. Total bs.

WTH are you on about??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't take 10 seconds to give thanks for the bountiful food on the table?

OP, why did you marry your husband? He went to church and attended church schools and grew up in a religious home.

For 1000's of years people farmed and knew feast and famine. Grace is a thank you for the food on the table.

It isn't 10 seconds. Op says they can get quite lengthy.

What is the harm if it is 10 min? You certainly can do a yoga class for one hour.

The meal gets cold. Disrespectful to the person/people who cooked it. Nobody would put the food on the table and then go do yoga.

Disrespectful to start eating before others, as well. Again, only bitter atheists/anti-theists are swallowing “omg the prayer lasts 10 minutes” lie. Just stay home- they probably invited you out of duty, anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can't take 10 seconds to give thanks for the bountiful food on the table?

OP, why did you marry your husband? He went to church and attended church schools and grew up in a religious home.

For 1000's of years people farmed and knew feast and famine. Grace is a thank you for the food on the table.

It isn't 10 seconds. Op says they can get quite lengthy.

What is the harm if it is 10 min? You certainly can do a yoga class for one hour.

Nobody is praying for 10 minutes at a dinner. Pastors don’t pray that long in church.

It’s disgusting that people lie and exaggerate to cause issues about non-issues.

Nobody should be having anxiety about this and nobody should equate a religious belief with a rude bodily function, racism, etc. How old are these posters?

I should be surprised but the thread about a man being stalked, harassed, threatened, and his family threatened with torture and deportation, and insults about intelligence and social class (on repeated occasions) was removed after several posters didn’t see a problem. Atheists have no problem with harassment and threats and insults to religious people just minding their own business at work, but grace before a family meal is the complete enemy of humanity. Total bs.

WTH are you on about??

You probably ran to the mod like a cranky toddler and whined until it was deleted. You fool no one- except yourself, and that’s tenuous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pick your battles. They’re your in laws. You don’t live with them and probably don’t see them every week. Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”

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Really?? Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”?

Replace the word "prayer" with anything else you might be offended by in your home.

Just think about something else while they Hail Satan.

Just think about something else while they say racist stuff.

Just think about something else while they fart loudly.

Just think about something else while they complain about the food you cooked.

No, you wouldn't sit for any of that other stuff without comment, would you? So why does insisting someone who does not want to pray participate in prayer get a pass? This is not a legal/constitutional issue, as government is not involved.

If you think prayer is racism, you might have an issue with categorical thinking.

Both can be offensive to some people and not to others, correct?

But you keep straw-manning until you have a reasonable response.

DP. Calm down. Equating prayer with racism, in terms of their ability to offend snowflake you, is bonkers.

I did not equate them, I said some people are offended by either.

But no worries. Just pull that example and equate it with farting at the table.

“But it’s my legal right to fart! You can’t tell me not to fart or when or where I can fart!”

[Anonymous]

Evangelicals at the dinner table are the worst. Pray while cooking. Lay your blessings into the food. Imbue your ingredients with love. Thank your family for receiving this blessing. Light a candle. Dig in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pick your battles. They’re your in laws. You don’t live with them and probably don’t see them every week. Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”

This.

Really?? Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”?

Replace the word "prayer" with anything else you might be offended by in your home.

Just think about something else while they Hail Satan.

Just think about something else while they say racist stuff.

Just think about something else while they fart loudly.

Just think about something else while they complain about the food you cooked.

No, you wouldn't sit for any of that other stuff without comment, would you? So why does insisting someone who does not want to pray participate in prayer get a pass? This is not a legal/constitutional issue, as government is not involved.

If you think prayer is racism, you might have an issue with categorical thinking.

Both can be offensive to some people and not to others, correct?

But you keep straw-manning until you have a reasonable response.

DP. Calm down. Equating prayer with racism, in terms of their ability to offend snowflake you, is bonkers.

I did not equate them, I said some people are offended by either.

But no worries. Just pull that example and equate it with farting at the table.

“But it’s my legal right to fart! You can’t tell me not to fart or when or where I can fart!”

It would be just as impolite to fart at the dinner table as not allowing other guests a moment of prayer.

I know the social graces are lost on most of the posters to DCUM who are "In it to win it" and need to start shoveling the food into their mouths when the plates hit the table.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pick your battles. They’re your in laws. You don’t live with them and probably don’t see them every week. Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”

This.

Really?? Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”?

Replace the word "prayer" with anything else you might be offended by in your home.

Just think about something else while they Hail Satan.

Just think about something else while they say racist stuff.

Just think about something else while they fart loudly.

Just think about something else while they complain about the food you cooked.

No, you wouldn't sit for any of that other stuff without comment, would you? So why does insisting someone who does not want to pray participate in prayer get a pass? This is not a legal/constitutional issue, as government is not involved.

If you think prayer is racism, you might have an issue with categorical thinking.

Both can be offensive to some people and not to others, correct?

But you keep straw-manning until you have a reasonable response.

DP. Calm down. Equating prayer with racism, in terms of their ability to offend snowflake you, is bonkers.

I did not equate them, I said some people are offended by either.

But no worries. Just pull that example and equate it with farting at the table.

“But it’s my legal right to fart! You can’t tell me not to fart or when or where I can fart!”

It would be just as impolite to fart at the dinner table as not allowing other guests a moment of prayer.

I know the social graces are lost on most of the posters to DCUM who are "In it to win it" and need to start shoveling the food into their mouths when the plates hit the table.

Your logic fails completely.

Do we indulge what the guests wish to do, or respect the wishes of our host?

Please answer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pick your battles. They’re your in laws. You don’t live with them and probably don’t see them every week. Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”

This.

Really?? Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”?

Replace the word "prayer" with anything else you might be offended by in your home.

Just think about something else while they Hail Satan.

Just think about something else while they say racist stuff.

Just think about something else while they fart loudly.

Just think about something else while they complain about the food you cooked.

No, you wouldn't sit for any of that other stuff without comment, would you? So why does insisting someone who does not want to pray participate in prayer get a pass? This is not a legal/constitutional issue, as government is not involved.

If you think prayer is racism, you might have an issue with categorical thinking.

Both can be offensive to some people and not to others, correct?

But you keep straw-manning until you have a reasonable response.

DP. Calm down. Equating prayer with racism, in terms of their ability to offend snowflake you, is bonkers.

I did not equate them, I said some people are offended by either.

But no worries. Just pull that example and equate it with farting at the table.

“But it’s my legal right to fart! You can’t tell me not to fart or when or where I can fart!”

It would be just as impolite to fart at the dinner table as not allowing other guests a moment of prayer.

I know the social graces are lost on most of the posters to DCUM who are "In it to win it" and need to start shoveling the food into their mouths when the plates hit the table.

Can we at least agree what we are talking about?

I agree that you generally go with whatever the host wants. And if that is grace before dinner, great.

Do you agree that if the family gathering happens at a home that does not say grace before dinner, guests cannot impose their desire for prayers on the host? Like if thanksgiving was at the son’s house, the son and his wife should decide if they will say a prayer and not the parents?

[Anonymous]

I might hold hands but I *never* bow my head or close my eyes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I grew up with Quaker traditions. We do a moment of silence before meals.

Quakers are cool. Nothing crazy there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pick your battles. They’re your in laws. You don’t live with them and probably don’t see them every week. Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”

This.

Really?? Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”?

Replace the word "prayer" with anything else you might be offended by in your home.

Just think about something else while they Hail Satan.

Just think about something else while they say racist stuff.

Just think about something else while they fart loudly.

Just think about something else while they complain about the food you cooked.

No, you wouldn't sit for any of that other stuff without comment, would you? So why does insisting someone who does not want to pray participate in prayer get a pass? This is not a legal/constitutional issue, as government is not involved.

If you think prayer is racism, you might have an issue with categorical thinking.

Both can be offensive to some people and not to others, correct?

But you keep straw-manning until you have a reasonable response.

DP. Calm down. Equating prayer with racism, in terms of their ability to offend snowflake you, is bonkers.

I did not equate them, I said some people are offended by either.

But no worries. Just pull that example and equate it with farting at the table.

“But it’s my legal right to fart! You can’t tell me not to fart or when or where I can fart!”

It would be just as impolite to fart at the dinner table as not allowing other guests a moment of prayer.

I know the social graces are lost on most of the posters to DCUM who are "In it to win it" and need to start shoveling the food into their mouths when the plates hit the table.

Your logic fails completely.

Do we indulge what the guests wish to do, or respect the wishes of our host?

Please answer.

Is your confidence in atheism so weak that a short prayer will shake your foundational beliefs?

A host will consider reasonable requests from guests. A short prayer is not an unreasonable request. They aren't asking to spout racist rants; they aren't asking to fart loudly at the table; other whatever other strawmen you posted above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I might hold hands but I *never* bow my head or close my eyes.

Are you hoping the invisible man in the sky will see your defiance? Stop being a child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pick your battles. They’re your in laws. You don’t live with them and probably don’t see them every week. Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”

This.

Really?? Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”?

Replace the word "prayer" with anything else you might be offended by in your home.

Just think about something else while they Hail Satan.

Just think about something else while they say racist stuff.

Just think about something else while they fart loudly.

Just think about something else while they complain about the food you cooked.

No, you wouldn't sit for any of that other stuff without comment, would you? So why does insisting someone who does not want to pray participate in prayer get a pass? This is not a legal/constitutional issue, as government is not involved.

If you think prayer is racism, you might have an issue with categorical thinking.

Both can be offensive to some people and not to others, correct?

But you keep straw-manning until you have a reasonable response.

DP. Calm down. Equating prayer with racism, in terms of their ability to offend snowflake you, is bonkers.

I did not equate them, I said some people are offended by either.

But no worries. Just pull that example and equate it with farting at the table.

“But it’s my legal right to fart! You can’t tell me not to fart or when or where I can fart!”

It would be just as impolite to fart at the dinner table as not allowing other guests a moment of prayer.

I know the social graces are lost on most of the posters to DCUM who are "In it to win it" and need to start shoveling the food into their mouths when the plates hit the table.

Can we at least agree what we are talking about?

I agree that you generally go with whatever the host wants. And if that is grace before dinner, great.

Do you agree that if the family gathering happens at a home that does not say grace before dinner, guests cannot impose their desire for prayers on the host? Like if thanksgiving was at the son’s house, the son and his wife should decide if they will say a prayer and not the parents?

It would be rude for guests to begin prayer without requesting permission from the host. It would be rude for the host to deny them permission because the request is not unreasonable or even unexpected. You might remember that the majority of Americans have some religious beliefs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I might hold hands but I *never* bow my head or close my eyes.

Are you hoping the invisible man in the sky will see your defiance? Stop being a child.

Defy who?

I don’t play silly reindeer games.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pick your battles. They’re your in laws. You don’t live with them and probably don’t see them every week. Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”

This.

Really?? Just think about something else while your head is bowed in “prayer.”?

Replace the word "prayer" with anything else you might be offended by in your home.

Just think about something else while they Hail Satan.

Just think about something else while they say racist stuff.

Just think about something else while they fart loudly.

Just think about something else while they complain about the food you cooked.

No, you wouldn't sit for any of that other stuff without comment, would you? So why does insisting someone who does not want to pray participate in prayer get a pass? This is not a legal/constitutional issue, as government is not involved.

If you think prayer is racism, you might have an issue with categorical thinking.

Both can be offensive to some people and not to others, correct?

But you keep straw-manning until you have a reasonable response.

DP. Calm down. Equating prayer with racism, in terms of their ability to offend snowflake you, is bonkers.

I did not equate them, I said some people are offended by either.

But no worries. Just pull that example and equate it with farting at the table.

“But it’s my legal right to fart! You can’t tell me not to fart or when or where I can fart!”

It would be just as impolite to fart at the dinner table as not allowing other guests a moment of prayer.

I know the social graces are lost on most of the posters to DCUM who are "In it to win it" and need to start shoveling the food into their mouths when the plates hit the table.

Your logic fails completely.

Do we indulge what the guests wish to do, or respect the wishes of our host?

Please answer.

Is your confidence in atheism so weak that a short prayer will shake your foundational beliefs?

A host will consider reasonable requests from guests. A short prayer is not an unreasonable request. They aren't asking to spout racist rants; they aren't asking to fart loudly at the table; other whatever other strawmen you posted above.

But what if the host finds prayer more offensive than farting?

You don’t care. You think your beliefs are paramount and screw everyone else’s, even in their home.

You are a bad and selfish person.